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GPL and Going Deep

Mike Rodrigue

GPL and Going Deep

by Mike Rodrigue » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I think the trick is to set up a slightly understeering car. Then use your
diff to your advantage to "pull" your nose into the corner while you're
still braking and gearing down.

Don't worry. It's possible. I am not fast by any stretch of the imagination,
but you really *can* hit corners much faster than seems reasonable. (Kind of
like Arthur Dent's speedometer simply reading R3!)

|I am having a bit of difficulty adapting to the driving style that seems to
|be prevalent among the faster drivers I've seen since starting to race
|online, where they brake late, hard, and waaayyy deep into the turns,
before
|getting back on the gas and exiting the corner....this seems to me to be
the
|opposite of what I've considered to be "proper" race technique, where most
|braking and downshifting is done before entering the turn, and the throttle
|applied as much as possible thru the turn to build speed down the next
|straight. Using this style, I find myself being run into fairly often upon
|slowing for the turns, although for me this style gives the best
|results...for me.Watching others drive the same tracks and the same lines,
|but braking later, has caused me to try it, with less than stellar
|results.(Lots of ripped up grass).Any opinions on whether I should try to
|make this work, or just go with what works for me for now, and practice
|more.....any comments appreciated, Ed
|
|Ed White         DJ and Rusty in '99   GO#2  &  #88

|
|

atschoo

GPL and Going Deep

by atschoo » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00

this may be relevant:
are you using pedals? dual axis? i am not, with a MS FF joystick, i can only
have gas, or brakes on not both. so i cannot trail brake or get on the
brakes a second before i get of the gas to keep the car settled. watching
the hotlap replays, i assumed that was why i could not go as deep into the
corners as others.


>I am having a bit of difficulty adapting to the driving style that seems to
>be prevalent among the faster drivers I've seen since starting to race
>online, where they brake late, hard, and waaayyy deep into the turns,
before
>getting back on the gas and exiting the corner....this seems to me to be
the
>opposite of what I've considered to be "proper" race technique, where most
>braking and downshifting is done before entering the turn, and the throttle
>applied as much as possible thru the turn to build speed down the next
>straight. Using this style, I find myself being run into fairly often upon
>slowing for the turns, although for me this style gives the best
>results...for me.Watching others drive the same tracks and the same lines,
>but braking later, has caused me to try it, with less than stellar
>results.(Lots of ripped up grass).Any opinions on whether I should try to
>make this work, or just go with what works for me for now, and practice
>more.....any comments appreciated, Ed

>Ed White         DJ and Rusty in '99   GO#2  &  #88


edward whit

GPL and Going Deep

by edward whit » Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I am having a bit of difficulty adapting to the driving style that seems to
be prevalent among the faster drivers I've seen since starting to race
online, where they brake late, hard, and waaayyy deep into the turns, before
getting back on the gas and exiting the corner....this seems to me to be the
opposite of what I've considered to be "proper" race technique, where most
braking and downshifting is done before entering the turn, and the throttle
applied as much as possible thru the turn to build speed down the next
straight. Using this style, I find myself being run into fairly often upon
slowing for the turns, although for me this style gives the best
results...for me.Watching others drive the same tracks and the same lines,
but braking later, has caused me to try it, with less than stellar
results.(Lots of ripped up grass).Any opinions on whether I should try to
make this work, or just go with what works for me for now, and practice
more.....any comments appreciated, Ed

Ed White         DJ and Rusty in '99   GO#2  &  #88

5th Docto

GPL and Going Deep

by 5th Docto » Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:00:00

ok Ed, here's my $.02
GPL models the cars of the era very well.  These cars had no wings, skinny
hard tires, too much power for such little traction.  So the fastest way to
get the car through the turn is to get the car pointed in the desired
direction any way you can.  Most of the cars in GPL will push when you roll
on the power.  So, to counter that, I must promote oversteer.  I do this two
times, at turn entry and turn exit.  Sure, I brake late, but not too late.
I brake soon enough to get the car slowed down, yet late enough to let me
continue braking as I enter the turn.  When I commit to turn in, I am still
on the brake pedal, but not intending really to slow the car, as I have done
my braking in a straight line already.  I am lightly easing up on the brake
so the car will slide into the turn, but not spin (tricky but fun).  Done
right, I will slide into a turn, and when the tires stop sliding, I will be
pointed at the apex.  Then I apply enough throttle quickly to keep the car
in a oversteer attitude, but again not enough to spin out, just enough to
slide the car through to turn exit.  Done correctly, the car will never be
pointed straight ahead as I go through the turn, and the transition between
throttle-off turn entry and throttle-on turn exit will deliver only a slight
wiggle as the weight shifts. Basically, I use the brake and throttle to
steer the car, and the steering wheel to keep the front of the car in front
of the back of the car.  Hope that helped...
the 5th Doctor


>I am having a bit of difficulty adapting to the driving style that seems to
>be prevalent among the faster drivers I've seen since starting to race
>online, where they brake late, hard, and waaayyy deep into the turns,
before
>getting back on the gas and exiting the corner....this seems to me to be
the
>opposite of what I've considered to be "proper" race technique, where most
>braking and downshifting is done before entering the turn, and the throttle
>applied as much as possible thru the turn to build speed down the next
>straight. Using this style, I find myself being run into fairly often upon
>slowing for the turns, although for me this style gives the best
>results...for me.Watching others drive the same tracks and the same lines,
>but braking later, has caused me to try it, with less than stellar
>results.(Lots of ripped up grass).Any opinions on whether I should try to
>make this work, or just go with what works for me for now, and practice
>more.....any comments appreciated, Ed

>Ed White         DJ and Rusty in '99   GO#2  &  #88


Joel Willstei

GPL and Going Deep

by Joel Willstei » Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:00:00


> I am having a bit of difficulty adapting to the driving style that seems to
> be prevalent among the faster drivers I've seen since starting to race
> online, where they brake late, hard, and waaayyy deep into the turns, before
> getting back on the gas and exiting the corner....this seems to me to be the
> opposite of what I've considered to be "proper" race technique, where most
> braking and downshifting is done before entering the turn, and the throttle
> applied as much as possible thru the turn to build speed down the next
> straight. Using this style, I find myself being run into fairly often upon
> slowing for the turns, although for me this style gives the best
> results...for me.Watching others drive the same tracks and the same lines,
> but braking later, has caused me to try it, with less than stellar
> results.(Lots of ripped up grass).Any opinions on whether I should try to
> make this work, or just go with what works for me for now, and practice
> more.....any comments appreciated, Ed

> Ed White         DJ and Rusty in '99   GO#2  &  #88


     Ed, I ran a few races on VROC with you last night,and while you
brake a little earlier than me,you ran a decent line. I found racing
with you to be enjoyable and comfortable. Braking is subjective. Your
braking points should be what you consider the deepest point you can
keep the throttle on and still be able to make the turn. It is the
responsibility of the faster driver behind you to find a safe way around
you,not through you.

    See ya on the track with my "Toad"

Joel Willstein

Joel Willstei

GPL and Going Deep

by Joel Willstei » Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:00:00


> this may be relevant:
> are you using pedals? dual axis? i am not, with a MS FF joystick, i can only
> have gas, or brakes on not both. so i cannot trail brake or get on the
> brakes a second before i get of the gas to keep the car settled. watching
> the hotlap replays, i assumed that was why i could not go as deep into the
> corners as others.

Ed,

   I have a Thrustmaster T2. I installed it in GPL with direct input and
got a single axis. Now I know the benefits of duel axis so one can trail
brake. Then I tried generic setup,and I was shocked after I recalibrated
the T2,I now had duel axis. Give it a try.

Joel Willstein

Ruud van Ga

GPL and Going Deep

by Ruud van Ga » Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:26:42 -0500, Joel Willstein



>> this may be relevant:
>> are you using pedals? dual axis? i am not, with a MS FF joystick, i can only
>> have gas, or brakes on not both. so i cannot trail brake or get on the
>> brakes a second before i get of the gas to keep the car settled. watching
>> the hotlap replays, i assumed that was why i could not go as deep into the
>> corners as others.

>Ed,

>   I have a Thrustmaster T2. I installed it in GPL with direct input and
>got a single axis. Now I know the benefits of duel axis so one can trail
>brake. Then I tried generic setup,and I was shocked after I recalibrated
>the T2,I now had duel axis. Give it a try.

I thought you had to convert the T2 to get dual-axis brake/throttle
axes? Did you use or not use the adapter?

Ruud van Gaal
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Ren?? van Lobbere

GPL and Going Deep

by Ren?? van Lobbere » Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:00:00


> On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:26:42 -0500, Joel Willstein


> >> this may be relevant:
> >> are you using pedals? dual axis? i am not, with a MS FF joystick, i can only
> >> have gas, or brakes on not both. so i cannot trail brake or get on the
> >> brakes a second before i get of the gas to keep the car settled. watching
> >> the hotlap replays, i assumed that was why i could not go as deep into the
> >> corners as others.

> >Ed,

> >   I have a Thrustmaster T2. I installed it in GPL with direct input and
> >got a single axis. Now I know the benefits of duel axis so one can trail
> >brake. Then I tried generic setup,and I was shocked after I recalibrated
> >the T2,I now had duel axis. Give it a try.

> I thought you had to convert the T2 to get dual-axis brake/throttle
> axes? Did you use or not use the adapter?

Yes, you need to convert the connections to get separate throttle/brake on a
T2 (as I did already). You even need to change the cable, because the original
misses out on the one extra wire you need (although you could use the screen
as common + , bad choice imho).
Maybe he has some funky stuff going on when on generic. Use of the adapter
only puts the throttle/brake on another axis.

--
Ren van Lobberegt, The Netherlands.

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