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A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

Dave Bradle

A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

by Dave Bradle » Sun, 11 Aug 1996 04:00:00

For about the last month I have been plagued with a rash of random
disconnects while on hawaii.  As my frustration built up I realized that
the start of these problems was roughly coincident with my switch from
MCI to Sprint.  MCI worked great when my buddy and I used the Friends
and Family thing to get approx. 10 cents/min for modem racing.  With the
advent of hawaii we started racing there and saw our costs go up to 13
cents/min (with no alternate sharing) for an approx. tripling of our
racing phone bills.  Sprint seemed like a good way to go (10 cents a
min. eve./night-25 cents a min. otherwise).  When I realized the problem
might be associated with Sprint I ran some tests using the Cntrl-Y
command.  I alternated using Sprint and AT&T (on my other phone line)
over three evenings.  The results:

Test#  Carrier    Delay (msec.)     Quality     totSend
 1       Sprint    130               58          265
 1       AT&T      150               89          338
 2*      Sprint    150               84          278
 2       AT&T      110               93          220
 3**     Sprint    160               62          250
 3       AT&T      150               92          203
 4       Sprint    160               70          203
 4       AT&T      150               89          338

* Disconnected during exit from Hawaii
** Used cabling direct from modem to box on house to isolate house house
wiring; Crashed 3 times during test using Sprint.

I talked to Sprint about this whole thing and they were very pleasant
and nice about it but said that they had checked out their lines and
could find no fault with their portion of the system.  In fact it seems
that they indeed know the first rule of the Signal Corps (it's always
the other end) since they said I should check with the service I was
attempting to connect to and see if they could be causing the problem.

The good ending to this story is that I hooked up for my league race on
Friday using my AT&T line with nary a problem.  And a most enjoyable
race it was as I came from 11th to finish 2nd but the most joy was
surely in jsut racing with a good group of guys (the IVGA Gold league)
without the ***y disconnects!!!

Well I guess I'm back to shopping for a good and less expensive link to
Hawaii (although It's a shame Sprint didn't work out.  My buddy is using
them with no problems and they were very nice on the line with almost no
hold time-even sent me $10 worth of free gas).

Dave Bradley

Larry Abel

A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

by Larry Abel » Mon, 12 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> For about the last month I have been plagued with a rash of random
> disconnects while on hawaii.  As my frustration built up I realized that
> the start of these problems was roughly coincident with my switch from
> MCI to Sprint.  MCI worked great when my buddy and I used the Friends
> and Family thing to get approx. 10 cents/min for modem racing.  With the
> advent of hawaii we started racing there and saw our costs go up to 13
> cents/min (with no alternate sharing) for an approx. tripling of our
> racing phone bills.  Sprint seemed like a good way to go (10 cents a
> min. eve./night-25 cents a min. otherwise).  When I realized the problem
> might be associated with Sprint I ran some tests using the Cntrl-Y
> command.  I alternated using Sprint and AT&T (on my other phone line)
> over three evenings.  The results:

> Test#  Carrier    Delay (msec.)     Quality     totSend
>  1       Sprint    130               58          265
>  1       AT&T      150               89          338
>  2*      Sprint    150               84          278
>  2       AT&T      110               93          220
>  3**     Sprint    160               62          250
>  3       AT&T      150               92          203
>  4       Sprint    160               70          203
>  4       AT&T      150               89          338

> * Disconnected during exit from Hawaii
> ** Used cabling direct from modem to box on house to isolate house house
> wiring; Crashed 3 times during test using Sprint.

> I talked to Sprint about this whole thing and they were very pleasant
> and nice about it but said that they had checked out their lines and
> could find no fault with their portion of the system.  In fact it seems
> that they indeed know the first rule of the Signal Corps (it's always
> the other end) since they said I should check with the service I was
> attempting to connect to and see if they could be causing the problem.

> The good ending to this story is that I hooked up for my league race on
> Friday using my AT&T line with nary a problem.  And a most enjoyable
> race it was as I came from 11th to finish 2nd but the most joy was
> surely in jsut racing with a good group of guys (the IVGA Gold league)
> without the ***y disconnects!!!

> Well I guess I'm back to shopping for a good and less expensive link to
> Hawaii (although It's a shame Sprint didn't work out.  My buddy is using
> them with no problems and they were very nice on the line with almost no
> hold time-even sent me $10 worth of free gas).

> Dave Bradley

Hmmmm,... Ummmmm.... Looking at the results, why aren't you just using
AT&T? Everyone I know that's tried Sprint or MCI has switched back to
AT&T eventually. I even save a few bucks every month on my local long
distance by dialing 10ATT first. If pricing is a problem, maybe there's
some way a 'plan' could be worked out...
I'll have to check into this... Since I'm not a Hawaii user, maybe you
could e-mail me with some details on this. I can't promise anything, but
after hearing all the complaints, there must be a better way! I've never
been disconnected, except while on one of those "cheezy fly-by-night" pay
phones, or AOL!

BTW- Why do they call it 'Hawaii'?... Shoe is to foot, ...as Hawaii is to
NASCAR? I'm sure I must've missed something here! :)

Larry ('I'm not only an AT&T employee, but also a client!') Abels

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Michael E. Carv

A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

by Michael E. Carv » Mon, 12 Aug 1996 04:00:00

: BTW- Why do they call it 'Hawaii'?... Shoe is to foot, ...as Hawaii is to
: NASCAR? I'm sure I must've missed something here! :)

I think the developers where promised a condo in Hawaii, if they were
ever able to make this baby work.

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Mike Carrother

A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

by Mike Carrother » Tue, 13 Aug 1996 04:00:00

If you call AT&T, tell them you have Sprint, and are looking for a
better deal, they'll talk. I had AT&T for two years, changed to Sprint
(.10/min) for one day, called AT&T and got .08/min for three months and
it then went to .10/min.

The days of haggling are not over. Use it to your advantage. Don't tell
AT&T I told you this. ;)

Mike

Kai Fulle

A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

by Kai Fulle » Tue, 13 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Larry Abels,

Your from AT&T right?? If I call from WASHINGTON STATE to hawaii
(masechusetts??) what kinda pricing will I get?? What would be the
cheapsee way?
--Kai Fuller
  Senior Writer of INR

Chuck Stuar

A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

by Chuck Stuar » Tue, 13 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> Larry Abels,

> Your from AT&T right?? If I call from WASHINGTON STATE to hawaii
> (masechusetts??) what kinda pricing will I get?? What would be the
> cheapsee way?
> --Kai Fuller
>   Senior Writer of INR

Senior Writer? I'd hate to see the spelling and grammar from a junior
writer.

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Charlie Heat

A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

by Charlie Heat » Thu, 15 Aug 1996 04:00:00


>Well I guess I'm back to shopping for a good and less expensive link to
>Hawaii (although It's a shame Sprint didn't work out.  My buddy is using
>them with no problems and they were very nice on the line with almost no
>hold time-even sent me $10 worth of free gas).

>Dave Bradley

Dave - thanks for posting your figures, I hadn't seen anyone's side by side
comparisons of the quality of connections for their different service
providers.  My guess is your results don't reflect much on what other
people could expect to see with a specific LD service, except to note that
the carrier they use might make a difference in their ability to achieve a
solid connection to Hawaii.

Charlie Heath
Papyrus Design Group

Dave Bradle

A tale of two (Ok three) phone carriers and hawaii

by Dave Bradle » Thu, 15 Aug 1996 04:00:00



> >Well I guess I'm back to shopping for a good and less expensive link to
> >Hawaii (although It's a shame Sprint didn't work out.  My buddy is using
> >them with no problems and they were very nice on the line with almost no
> >hold time-even sent me $10 worth of free gas).

> >Dave Bradley

> Dave - thanks for posting your figures, I hadn't seen anyone's side by side
> comparisons of the quality of connections for their different service
> providers.  My guess is your results don't reflect much on what other
> people could expect to see with a specific LD service, except to note that
> the carrier they use might make a difference in their ability to achieve a
> solid connection to Hawaii.

> Charlie Heath
> Papyrus Design Group

Charlie,
 I think that's exactly right.  The performance that any service can
provide will be dependent upon so many factors that there is no way to
decide beforehand which will be the best for YOU.  When I switch I'll
rerun the tests and post the results again.

Dave Bradley


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