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GPL: "driveable" setups?

Bill Met

GPL: "driveable" setups?

by Bill Met » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

  Well, there's been lots of talk about making a good setup.  However, it
seems that in most of these discussions(manual included), "good" = fast.
Right now, I don't want fast.  I want controlable!  So dear friends, I
throw it open.  WHat sorts of things should I change with driveability as
the main goal?

--
Bill Mette      | "A person is smart.  People are dumb."
MCSNet, Chicago |                        - K MiB

Lou

GPL: "driveable" setups?

by Lou » Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I decided to try and make it handle more like my race car and stiffened up
the springs swaybars, and shocks.  made the front a lot stiffer than the
rear. It pushes a bit more but its easier to save a slide. I went from 136's
at Monza to 131's.
Lutrell,
Dsr#74 :-)
http://www2.scca.com/amateur/club_racing/runoffs/photogal/dsr-74.jpg

>  Well, there's been lots of talk about making a good setup.  However, it
>seems that in most of these discussions(manual included), "good" = fast.
>Right now, I don't want fast.  I want controlable!  So dear friends, I
>throw it open.  WHat sorts of things should I change with driveability as
>the main goal?

>--
>Bill Mette      | "A person is smart.  People are dumb."
>MCSNet, Chicago |                        - K MiB


Michael Youn

GPL: "driveable" setups?

by Michael Youn » Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:00:00

The default Lotus setup at Monza is soft with mild understeer. It drives
well; just don't try to go too fast with it. Light trail-braking works
ok going into the Lesmos, and you almost need it to get enough turn-in
at Curva Grande and Parabolica. This makes brake points all the more
critical, though, if you want absolute speed. I think you really mean
controllable at a reasonable speed. The default setup is quite good for
this. Drive it for a while to get its feel, then try a very fast, loose
setup, such as Mansell's. You'll learn plenty from this exercise.

If you haven't seen Mansell's 1:28 yet, you should get the replay and
check how Monza could be driven. I was slack jawed watching him hold the
plotted line the entire lap, 3 to 10 mph faster than my best everywhere
on the course. Arnao's 1:30 looks heavy fisted in comparison.
Impressive.

The setup itself is an eye opener. Where the default setup plows under
power, this beast gives new meaning to loose. I'd been softening the
suspension looking for more traction, but the fast way seems to be the
opposite: present it to the corner with the wheel, and steer it around
with gas, just like Moss used to say.

Michael.

PS: noticed you're in the Chicago area. Motorsport Collector's is close
by in Downers Grove. I picked up a few videos and spiffy little Lotus 49
display model there yesterday. They had a few 68 South Africa Jim Clarks
and Graham Hills left. That was Clark's last win before he bought it
later that year.


>   Well, there's been lots of talk about making a good setup.  However, it
> seems that in most of these discussions(manual included), "good" = fast.
> Right now, I don't want fast.  I want controlable!  So dear friends, I
> throw it open.  WHat sorts of things should I change with driveability as
> the main goal?

Me

GPL: "driveable" setups?

by Me » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I found.. and alot of people wouldnt reccomend this, but it is really easy
to drive with 85/85 ramp angles and 1 clutch. This saves the spins under
power, and you might not get as good drive as before, but it sure saves the
spins, and is quite fun to leave a big black line coming onto the straight
at monza. Doing that and reducing my fuel load, i whent from incosistant
1:34's to race winning ( :)  ) 1:30.3's . Hardly a spin under acceleration
since. Give it a try.... i like it

Greets,
             Luke
www.fan.net.au/~stevephi/overrev/ - OVERREV GPL HQ

Ian La

GPL: "driveable" setups?

by Ian La » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00

That would be the one he got off me :)))

The setup has a bit of understeer going out of curva grande, but
everywhere else it's perfect!

Ian Lake

/\ Also have done a low 1m28s /\

Robert Bark

GPL: "driveable" setups?

by Robert Bark » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Is there anywhere you can get copies of Mansell's setups.  I already have the
ones from Alison Hines site.  TIA

Bob


>The default Lotus setup at Monza is soft with mild understeer. It drives
>well; just don't try to go too fast with it. Light trail-braking works
>ok going into the Lesmos, and you almost need it to get enough turn-in
>at Curva Grande and Parabolica. This makes brake points all the more
>critical, though, if you want absolute speed. I think you really mean
>controllable at a reasonable speed. The default setup is quite good for
>this. Drive it for a while to get its feel, then try a very fast, loose
>setup, such as Mansell's. You'll learn plenty from this exercise.

>If you haven't seen Mansell's 1:28 yet, you should get the replay and
>check how Monza could be driven. I was slack jawed watching him hold the
>plotted line the entire lap, 3 to 10 mph faster than my best everywhere
>on the course. Arnao's 1:30 looks heavy fisted in comparison.
>Impressive.

>The setup itself is an eye opener. Where the default setup plows under
>power, this beast gives new meaning to loose. I'd been softening the
>suspension looking for more traction, but the fast way seems to be the
>opposite: present it to the corner with the wheel, and steer it around
>with gas, just like Moss used to say.

>Michael.

>PS: noticed you're in the Chicago area. Motorsport Collector's is close
>by in Downers Grove. I picked up a few videos and spiffy little Lotus 49
>display model there yesterday. They had a few 68 South Africa Jim Clarks
>and Graham Hills left. That was Clark's last win before he bought it
>later that year.


>>   Well, there's been lots of talk about making a good setup.  However, it
>> seems that in most of these discussions(manual included), "good" = fast.
>> Right now, I don't want fast.  I want controlable!  So dear friends, I
>> throw it open.  WHat sorts of things should I change with driveability as
>> the main goal?

Trip

GPL: "driveable" setups?

by Trip » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00


> Is there anywhere you can get copies of Mansell's setups.  I already have the
> ones from Alison Hines site.  TIA

http://www.fan.net.au/~mansell

Trips

Michael Youn

GPL: "driveable" setups?

by Michael Youn » Fri, 09 Oct 1998 04:00:00


> >The setup itself is an eye opener. Where the default setup plows under
> >power, this beast gives new meaning to loose. I'd been softening the
> >suspension looking for more traction, but the fast way seems to be the
> >opposite: present it to the corner with the wheel, and steer it around
> >with gas, just like Moss used to say.

> That would be the one he got off me :)))

Well, then, a big heartfelt thank you for sharing!

As I said, I learned much in seeing the difference. It changed my
driving immediately: from consistent low 1:34's straight up to 1:42. :)
It really is a thing of beauty, power drifting right down the pipe onto
the back straight, and again onto the front straight. As soon as I stop
hunting the nose around through curva grande and parabolica, and learn
to get the power down coming out of Lesmo 2, I'll get there.

Michael.


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