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NCR 2 demo posts...get a grip!

Jan Koh

NCR 2 demo posts...get a grip!

by Jan Koh » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00

I see some people have no conception of what goes on here at all.

First:  This is a DEMO!  Does anyone know what "demo" means?  YES!  It's
not the
full version!  So don't go wasting bandwidth here telling us and Papyrus
how this needs
changed, that doesn't look right, or it won't run on your computer!  That
is what a "demo"
is...a "demonstration" of a product.  The final version will be different
from the demo,
trust me.

Second:  Read the "readme" file.  Does anyone know what "readme" means?
YES!  It
means "READ ME"!!!!  If it says it won't run on this, or do that, or try
this...DO IT!  I get
more email in The Pits from people who can't read the readme file.  I
wonder how they
ever know when they finished a race...

Last:  For those of you out there who haven't discovered that there are
words out there
that have more than four letters...get back in SCHOOL!  And get some
manners.
And get lost...

Cheers all!
--

??Jan Kohl??        **Diamond Motorsports/Mad Yanks Racing Team**
Computer Systems Programmer
USAF Air-Ground Operations School
Hurlburt Field, FL

<<http://www.racesimcentral.net/;>
US Mirror of "The Pits" <<http://www.racesimcentral.net/;>

Eric Hop

NCR 2 demo posts...get a grip!

by Eric Hop » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Jan, you need to get a life.  This is the perfect forum for evaluating
demos.  Since the guys at papyrus read this, it gives them constructive
criticism about the demo and what may need to be fixed or changed.  From
the posts I've read, there is a problem with the game and the ET-6000
based cards.  Papyrus needs to know this.  As in other NG's this stuff
needs to be discussed, albiet some take it too far and call papyrus
cluster***s and such.  People in here hardly waste the bandwidth, except
the crossposting, get rich people.  If you want to rant, go do it
elsewhere, it is not needed here.  Have a nice day.

Eric

: I see some people have no conception of what goes on here at all.
:
: First:  This is a DEMO!  Does anyone know what "demo" means?  YES!  It's
: not the
: full version!  So don't go wasting bandwidth here telling us and Papyrus
: how this needs
: changed, that doesn't look right, or it won't run on your computer!  That
: is what a "demo"
: is...a "demonstration" of a product.  The final version will be different
: from the demo,
: trust me.
:
: Second:  Read the "readme" file.  Does anyone know what "readme" means?
: YES!  It
: means "READ ME"!!!!  If it says it won't run on this, or do that, or try
: this...DO IT!  I get
: more email in The Pits from people who can't read the readme file.  I
: wonder how they
: ever know when they finished a race...
:
: Last:  For those of you out there who haven't discovered that there are
: words out there
: that have more than four letters...get back in SCHOOL!  And get some
: manners.
: And get lost...
:
: Cheers all!
: --
:
: ??Jan Kohl??        **Diamond Motorsports/Mad Yanks Racing Team**
: Computer Systems Programmer
: USAF Air-Ground Operations School
: Hurlburt Field, FL
:
: <<http://www.racesimcentral.net/;>
: US Mirror of "The Pits" <<http://www.racesimcentral.net/;>
:

CAD

NCR 2 demo posts...get a grip!

by CAD » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Um, duh, no, please explain the concept. You didn't even mention
a FAQ or anything so that we could read about it.

Um, duh, no, why don't you explain it to us. Oh wait, you explain it below.
Cool! Thanks!

Um, don't you think Papyrus might be trying to gather data form this
newsgroup,
not looking for alot of nice words to boost their egos? If you know of
somewhere
for us to post problems, perhaps it would have been more constructive if
you
had mentioned that. And if Papyrus knew ahead of time full well that this
"demo"
is the furthest thing from the final product, then what's the point. When a
company
releases a demo of a new car, you think they let people drive it if there
is something
majorly wrong with the product. Like maybe the suspension isn't quite
finished, oh
and they forget to mention in the READ.ME that you SHOULDN'T TURN THE CAR!

Papyrus' first Nascar demo was perfect, and the final product was in
everyway just
like the demo. But if you think about it, didn't Papyrus release this one
to all us foaming
at the mouth racers so they could get some feedback from thousands of
users, all of whom
have system configurations as unique as fingerprints? Not a bad idea if you
ask me. Free
Beta testers.

Um, I never have a hard time trusting people who rant.

The READ.ME is nice and all, but it doesn't explain more advanced issues
concerning system configuration. This particular READ.ME was a little
vague,
and I'm surprised you even mentioned it.

This might be the only thing I agree with you on, in this particular case.

How ironic you should put a cheerful salutation after yelling at us like
we're children.

I'm dissapointed. I came here specifically to mention that I had a small
problem with the demo, and I thought it would be helpful if I mentioned
that problem.  I had details of my system configuration, some people leave
out sometimes,  and I was hoping Papyrus was at least a little interested
in what those problems were. If they're nothing new, and they already have
a fix in the final for me, that's great. But if I happen to have a
configuration they haven't seen yet, might they like to hear about it. I
did take a few laps at Atlanta, and the sim looks great, but I had just a
couple of things specifically for Papyrus that I wanted to let them know
about. But after reading a post like the one above, jeez, I better not
mention anything to noone, never. I better just say to myself, "Well, it is
just a demo, the final product will be PERFECT, so I'll just drive around
Atlanta until it's release and hope everything gets fixed right up."

Whatever...

Bob Stanle

NCR 2 demo posts...get a grip!

by Bob Stanle » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00


> I see some people have no conception of what goes on here at all.

> First:  This is a DEMO!  Does anyone know what "demo" means?  YES!  It's
> not the
> full version!  So don't go wasting bandwidth here telling us and Papyrus
> how this needs
> changed, that doesn't look right, or it won't run on your computer!  That
> is what a "demo"
> is...a "demonstration" of a product.  The final version will be different
> from the demo,
> trust me.

> Whoa, Jan, Whats up with this?  I had alot of respect for you.  You have got a lot of great stuff on the net and provided us nascar sim guys

with an abundance of good utilities, information, etc.. The Pits is one
of the best sites on the web!  But where do you get off with this
hollier than thou attitude?  And do you know what a demo is really for?
Look at Adams reply to 'D' re: egg on my face.....Chill out! Keep the
good work on the pits though and w/your quick fix guide...
Bob
George Lew

NCR 2 demo posts...get a grip!

by George Lew » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00


>Second:  Read the "readme" file.  Does anyone know what "readme" means?
>YES!  It
>means "READ ME"!!!!  If it says it won't run on this, or do that, or try
>this...DO IT!  I get
>more email in The Pits from people who can't read the readme file.  I
>wonder how they
>ever know when they finished a race...

hehehehe  I agree with ya' Jan!

maybe have a free agent option that takes those 4 letter words and
puts them into more mature words... or just changes them to dang,
darn, heck, shoot, etc... :)

Go #6 Mark Martin,#16 Ted Musgrave & #99 Jeff Burton - Jack Roush Racing!!
NASCAR Racing!!


http://camalott.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.htm <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

Don Mullin

NCR 2 demo posts...get a grip!

by Don Mullin » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00




> > I see some people have no conception of what goes on here at all.

> Um, duh, no, please explain the concept. You didn't even mention
> a FAQ or anything so that we could read about it.

> > First:  This is a DEMO!  Does anyone know what "demo" means?

> Um, duh, no, why don't you explain it to us. Oh wait, you explain it below.
> Cool! Thanks!

> > don't go wasting bandwidth here telling us and Papyrus
> > how this needs
> > changed, that doesn't look right, or it won't run on your computer!  That
> > is what a "demo"
> > is...a "demonstration" of a product.

> Um, don't you think Papyrus might be trying to gather data form this
> newsgroup,
> not looking for alot of nice words to boost their egos? If you know of
> somewhere
> for us to post problems, perhaps it would have been more constructive if
> you
> had mentioned that. And if Papyrus knew ahead of time full well that this
> "demo"
> is the furthest thing from the final product, then what's the point. When a
> company
> releases a demo of a new car, you think they let people drive it if there
> is something
> majorly wrong with the product. Like maybe the suspension isn't quite
> finished, oh
> and they forget to mention in the READ.ME that you SHOULDN'T TURN THE CAR!

> Papyrus' first Nascar demo was perfect, and the final product was in
> everyway just
> like the demo. But if you think about it, didn't Papyrus release this one
> to all us foaming
> at the mouth racers so they could get some feedback from thousands of
> users, all of whom
> have system configurations as unique as fingerprints? Not a bad idea if you
> ask me. Free
> Beta testers.

> > The final version will be different
> > from the demo,
> > trust me.

> Um, I never have a hard time trusting people who rant.

> > Second:  Read the "readme" file.  Does anyone know what "readme" means?
> > YES!  It
> > means "READ ME"!!!!  If it says it won't run on this, or do that, or try
> > this...DO IT!

> The READ.ME is nice and all, but it doesn't explain more advanced issues
> concerning system configuration. This particular READ.ME was a little
> vague,
> and I'm surprised you even mentioned it.

> > Last:  For those of you out there who haven't discovered that there are
> > words out there
> > that have more than four letters...get back in SCHOOL!  And get some
> > manners.
> > And get lost...

> This might be the only thing I agree with you on, in this particular case.

> > Cheers all!

> How ironic you should put a cheerful salutation after yelling at us like
> we're children.

> > ??Jan Kohl??        **Diamond Motorsports/Mad Yanks Racing Team**
> > Computer Systems Programmer
> > USAF Air-Ground Operations School
> > Hurlburt Field, FL

> > <<http://www.theuspits.com/jkohl/>>
> > US Mirror of "The Pits" <<http://www.theuspits.com/>>

> I'm dissapointed. I came here specifically to mention that I had a small
> problem with the demo, and I thought it would be helpful if I mentioned
> that problem.  I had details of my system configuration, some people leave
> out sometimes,  and I was hoping Papyrus was at least a little interested
> in what those problems were. If they're nothing new, and they already have
> a fix in the final for me, that's great. But if I happen to have a
> configuration they haven't seen yet, might they like to hear about it. I
> did take a few laps at Atlanta, and the sim looks great, but I had just a
> couple of things specifically for Papyrus that I wanted to let them know
> about. But after reading a post like the one above, jeez, I better not
> mention anything to noone, never. I better just say to myself, "Well, it is
> just a demo, the final product will be PERFECT, so I'll just drive around
> Atlanta until it's release and hope everything gets fixed right up."

> Whatever...

Yeah just like Win95 is "perfect" final product right. I guess Microsoft
was using the term extremely loosley.

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