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Heel and Toe in F1GP2

H.Shrikum

Heel and Toe in F1GP2

by H.Shrikum » Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Question:

   Does F1GP2 allow heel-and-toe ?

I dont got it yet, but am planning to buy a copy. So I was
wondering if it could, for then I will push buying GP2 up one
more notch in my list of priorities. :-)

-- //Shrikumar

'Strobe

Heel and Toe in F1GP2

by 'Strobe » Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:00:00


>    Does F1GP2 allow heel-and-toe ?

It's a bit beside the point, because you don't need to heel-and-toe
with an F1-style semi-automatic gearchange but leaving that aside,
it depends on your controller.  You can set throttle, brake and
clutch to separate joystick axes, but an unmodified Thrustmaster
T2, for instance, won't support it (brake and throttle are the same
axis).  This does have relevance to left-foot braking, where
separate axes could be an advantage.

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Christo van Schalkw

Heel and Toe in F1GP2

by Christo van Schalkw » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00

:    Does F1GP2 allow heel-and-toe ?

I don't think IMO that you drive a F1 car using H&T. That's used in Rally cars mostly or am i wrong ??

Cheers
Christo

Sind

Heel and Toe in F1GP2

by Sind » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00



>:    Does F1GP2 allow heel-and-toe ?
>I don't think IMO that you drive a F1 car using H&T. That's used in Rally cars mostly or am i wrong ??

In Ayrton Senna's book, he goes into depth about using heel and toe in
a Formula One car.  Also in Indycar, I saw the show that Derek Daly
was in and they had a footbox cam that showed he was doing it too.

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Richard Walk

Heel and Toe in F1GP2

by Richard Walk » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00


>>I don't think IMO that you drive a F1 car using H&T. That's used in Rally cars mostly or am i wrong ??

>In Ayrton Senna's book, he goes into depth about using heel and toe in
>a Formula One car.  Also in Indycar, I saw the show that Derek Daly
>was in and they had a footbox cam that showed he was doing it too.

This was correct when Senna's book was written, however....

With the semi-automatic gearboxes fitted to F1 cars these days, there
is no need for heel & toe. Most drivers use left foot braking now & it
would get a bit crowded on that brake pedal if the right foot was
there as well :))

I think that Martin Brundle still uses right foot braking and I guess
that he might still be using H&T.

Richard

Je

Heel and Toe in F1GP2

by Je » Sun, 29 Sep 1996 04:00:00



>This was correct when Senna's book was written, however....
>I think that Martin Brundle still uses right foot braking and I guess
>that he might still be using H&T.

Martin Brundle and a lot of other drivers still use there right foot
for braking.

Left foot braking has advantages as it means you can apply the brakes
a liitle before you lift off the throttle thus warming the brakes and
making them more effective. It also helps to stablise the car under
braking (I believe its the norm in Indycar oval racing?).

As for heel-and-toeing, there is no need for it in a modern F1 car.

With racing gearboxes, especially on single seaters, being able to
change ratio's quickly means thats is rare to find a syncro-mesh.

So, when doing a down shift, if you press the clutch the engine speed
drops and when you select a gear and bring the clutch pedal up, the
drive  speed and engine speed aren't the same and the cogs in the box
can't alway mesh properly.

Enter heel-and-toeing, where you blip the throttle during the change
so that you are manually syncro-meshing the box. This means that
you'll probably get the gear in and not lock up when you release the
clutch.

Because modern F1 cars have there clutches and gearchanges controled
by electronics, heel-and-toeing would probably cause problems.

As for does it work in GP2 I can't comment too much. I don't know of
anyone who's got a pedal setup with a clutch pedal and I would assume
that its only used on the starts. However, modern F1 cars only use the
clutch on the start so I would imagine that GP2 doesn't have
heel-and-toeing build in as it isn't relevant to the cars.

Jed
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Peter Lock

Heel and Toe in F1GP2

by Peter Lock » Tue, 01 Oct 1996 04:00:00


....

Any performance car with poor turn-in ability can benefit from
keeping the brakes on going into the corner, coming off them
progressively as you approach the apex and then applying power
gently as you reach it with judicial welly on exit. I've
recently acquired an Alpine A610 Turbo and was lucky enough
to get 2 hours track tuition from Tim Harvey who suggested
that the *only* way to get the car round a tight corner was
to H&T in and power-drift out !!

If your changing down as well, then you've run out of
feet. So hence H&T.

Speaking to MacLaren factory guy at a Sportscar Show in Edinburgh
few weeks ago and he pointed out that more drivers are experimenting
with hand-clutch and left foot braking. He mentioned that the
T-car is a nightmare now to change between drivers. They now
have to replace the pedal box as well as seat, steering
wheel and suspension settings.

I've tried various different techniques in GP2 and came to
the conclusion that stop and go at the same time just made
the car unstable - so much so that I could never catch it in
time. I have such confidence in the physics of the game
reflecting a real F1 car that I've resigned myself to not
being good enough to be the next Jackie Stewart :-(

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Scott Peuck

Heel and Toe in F1GP2

by Scott Peuck » Sat, 12 Oct 1996 04:00:00


>I've tried various different techniques in GP2 and came to
>the conclusion that stop and go at the same time just made
>the car unstable - so much so that I could never catch it in
>time. I have such confidence in the physics of the game
>reflecting a real F1 car that I've resigned myself to not
>being good enough to be the next Jackie Stewart :-(

That could just be your controller config.  My t2 uses the same
axis for brake & accel., so pressing both just cancels them out...

Scott.

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