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The Butt-factor

Olav K. Malm

The Butt-factor

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hello,

As the snow has finally put it's white cover over my hometown of Trondheim,
Norway it suddenly was fun to drive my roadcar again. It's a 20 year old Volvo
with good old rear-wheel drive.

As I've spent very much of this year trying to get up to speed in GPL it is
really really cool to do some power-sliding with my roadcar, when there is
no traffic of course. Actually it isn't very easy because it understeers so
much.

What I realised is how much the g-forces tells you. I could feel exactly when
the rear started to slip and wheelspin at speed is also very very easy to
notice.

I just can't stop wondering how GPL would have been if there was some g-force
simulation in the seat.

Well, just a silly post at the end of the day, back to some practice at
Monaco :)

Btw: In the norwegian theory test for the driverlicence you have to answer that
a roadcar oversteers when you put very much weight in it to have the correct
answer......

--
Olav K. Malmin
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Prepare Racin

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by Prepare Racin » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

duuude, my sentiments exactly.

I'm a racer, and it drives me nuts to play some of the sims like GPL/N99.
There is absolutely no feel at all.  It's all visual and audio based
feedback.  I was hoping force feedback would help a little, but it seemed to
distract me more than anything.

True racing is completely seat-of-the-pants feel when it comes to
trailbraking and feathering the throttle.  I guess I'm spoiled!  :)  Still
managed a 1:28.97 at Monza!

-Todd
(trying to master the one-cheek sneak that Tommy Kendall talks about)

Don Scurlo

The Butt-factor

by Don Scurlo » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00



All the technology is in place today, all we need is someone to build it.
Einstein showed us that the body can't tell the difference between steady state
acceleration and the force of gravity. Hollywood is using this concept for some
of its rides already.  By tilting the chair and room your in,  it suggests to
your body that it's experiencing lateral g forces. While at the same time your
seeing a picture on a screen, in a race car for example, that suggests to your
mind that you should be feeling them.
 Start with a***pit like a Hyperstimulator, mount it on a pivoting gimbal
system, have its for/aft and lateral tilting controled by stepper motors that
get there info from the game physics, the greater the g force, the futher you
tilt.  Its only an extension of the same info thats already fed to force
feedback steering wheels. We just need to do it to our butts as well as our
hands.

--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

Jim Teste

The Butt-factor

by Jim Teste » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

...and if somebody built an enclosure that the driver could sit in, and it
would pound the heck out him/her whenever there was a crash, we wouldn't
crash so much.

OUCH!

Jim ;-)

john moor

The Butt-factor

by john moor » Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:00:00

There are at least 6 or 8 commercially made units designed for home use. I
built my own***pit and yes, when you crash the tactile inducer kicks your
ass. The rest of the time the rumble from the subwoofer attached to the frame
reminds you not to hit anything too hard.
JM

Jim Teste

The Butt-factor

by Jim Teste » Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:00:00

You've gotta be kidding!  That's what I was doing when I suggested it.

JT

Obiwan Benkenob

The Butt-factor

by Obiwan Benkenob » Thu, 16 Dec 1999 04:00:00





>  Start with a***pit like a Hyperstimulator, mount it on a pivoting
gimbal
> system, have its for/aft and lateral tilting controled by stepper motors
that
> get there info from the game physics, the greater the g force, the futher
you
> tilt.  Its only an extension of the same info thats already fed to force
> feedback steering wheels. We just need to do it to our butts as well as
our
> hands.

Is the info that is fed to the FF api and and the FF wheel
available by any means without  having access to the source code,
and more precisely,what info is feed to the FF wheel?
Can you figure this out form the FF configuration files,
or perhaps at alisons FF configuration pages?
(in addition to learning how to setup the FF wheel)

--
Robert S?derberg

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