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Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

double

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by double » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:14:27

My first real visit to Las Vegas was for Comdex last November.  Ever since
then I've been curious, where did the old street course used to be?

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Dave Henri

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by Dave Henri » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:37


   It was in the parking lot of one of the ***'s wasn't it?  (at least a
large portion of it...)
dave henrie

Chris H

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by Chris H » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:13:15

Wasn't it in the parking lot at Caesars Palace?  "Progress" has now squished
the space so much they could hardly have go-kart racing there.
--
Chris H.


elysiu

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by elysiu » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:28:40

Ceasar's Palace car park?
ymenar

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by ymenar » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:48:17


> My first real visit to Las Vegas was for Comdex last November.  Ever since
> then I've been curious, where did the old street course used to be?

While their answers about the car park were true, the picture you have is
not the track that Formula One raced (infamously) on Caesar's Palace parking
lot.

Here is the track layout of the F1 track :
http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=2&r=8115&c=0

The circuit you posted seems to be proposed, but never raced on.  It was a
proposed F1 circuit back in 1998 or so.

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Doug Millike

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by Doug Millike » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:27:52


> While their answers about the car park were true, the picture you have is
> not the track that Formula One raced (infamously) on Caesar's Palace parking

> Here is the track layout of the F1 track :
> http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=2&r=8115&c=0

> The circuit you posted seems to be proposed, but never raced on.  It was a
> proposed F1 circuit back in 1998 or so.

Yes, this is the Caesar's Palace parking lot track.  I watched practice
there in 1982.  We ran a lap time simulation for someone who will remain
nameless, and I was there to take segment times to see how well we
correlated.  Mostly I remember that it was damn hot (over 100F) and I spent
as much time as possible in the shade (which was scarce except under the
grandstands).

If anyone is seriously interested in this boring track, I've got a decent
blue print of the construction layout, on 24" x 36" paper, that I could
have copied at Kinko's...

As far as I could see, F1 was wasted on most of Lost Wages...most of the
people in town didn't even know that there was a race on that weekend.

-- Doug Milliken
   www.millikenresearch.com/olleyfl.html   <--new book review

double

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by double » Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:50:31

Nah, not worth the work.  I was just curious where it was located at.  But
because we stayed at Ceasar's for Comdex, what's even more curious to me now
is where there was room to do this.  I totally understand that in the early
80's, this was obviously before that big parking garage was there, before
the Palace Tower was there, before the Forum shops were there, before that
area they're turning into a coliseum was there.  Was it just an oversized
go-cart track behind it?


Doug Millike

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by Doug Millike » Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:52:39

According to the drawing, the track was to the North (and a little
North-West) of the main Caesar's Palace, but I have no idea if that
building complex is still there.  I seem to remember hearing that the Sands
Hotel that was next door has been torn down... Vegas changes rapidly!


> Nah, not worth the work.  I was just curious where it was located at.  But
> because we stayed at Ceasar's for Comdex, what's even more curious to me now
> is where there was room to do this.  I totally understand that in the early
> 80's, this was obviously before that big parking garage was there, before
> the Palace Tower was there, before the Forum shops were there, before that
> area they're turning into a coliseum was there.  Was it just an oversized
> go-cart track behind it?



> > Yes, this is the Caesar's Palace parking lot track.  I watched practice
> > there in 1982.  We ran a lap time simulation for someone who will remain
> > nameless, and I was there to take segment times to see how well we
> > correlated.  Mostly I remember that it was damn hot (over 100F) and I
> spent
> > as much time as possible in the shade (which was scarce except under the
> > grandstands).

> > If anyone is seriously interested in this boring track, I've got a decent
> > blue print of the construction layout, on 24" x 36" paper, that I could
> > have copied at Kinko's...

> > As far as I could see, F1 was wasted on most of Lost Wages...most of the
> > people in town didn't even know that there was a race on that weekend.

> > -- Doug Milliken
> >    www.millikenresearch.com/olleyfl.html   <--new book review

Christopher G Rossi

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by Christopher G Rossi » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:40:06

I have good memories of those two races although it was always popular
to discredit them (it wasn't exactly 'Spa-like' was it!).

I watched each from the last outer ring, so to speak. I saw Alan Jones
and Piquet have a "hockey moment" in warm ups which put Nelson off.

Saw Alan slow after a qualifying lap and raise the skirts on his car to
make it legal if he was inspected -- and speaking of mini skirts -- my
biggest social
thrill in an F1 grandstand occurred there, a drop dead gorgeous employee
from the Palace (?) was selling cigarettes with a carry tray,
she had legs to kill for and she commented on my head gear, a modified,
Yasir Arafat
wet table cloth, held in place by my official Indy 500 visor cap.

"He's got the right idea!", she said, and the temperature rose even
higher.  Sigh...
arcman



> > While their answers about the car park were true, the picture you have is
> > not the track that Formula One raced (infamously) on Caesar's Palace parking

> > Here is the track layout of the F1 track :
> > http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=2&r=8115&c=0

> > The circuit you posted seems to be proposed, but never raced on.  It was a
> > proposed F1 circuit back in 1998 or so.

> Yes, this is the Caesar's Palace parking lot track.  I watched practice
> there in 1982.  We ran a lap time simulation for someone who will remain
> nameless, and I was there to take segment times to see how well we
> correlated.  Mostly I remember that it was damn hot (over 100F) and I spent
> as much time as possible in the shade (which was scarce except under the
> grandstands).

> If anyone is seriously interested in this boring track, I've got a decent
> blue print of the construction layout, on 24" x 36" paper, that I could
> have copied at Kinko's...

> As far as I could see, F1 was wasted on most of Lost Wages...most of the
> people in town didn't even know that there was a race on that weekend.

> -- Doug Milliken
>    www.millikenresearch.com/olleyfl.html   <--new book review

Dave Henri

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by Dave Henri » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:57:24

(snippage)
   Now that you mention it...my sister did talk about those races and the
hat guy....lol
dave henrie

Christopher G Rossi

Anyone remember where the Las Vegas street course ran?

by Christopher G Rossi » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:02:34

Wow! Psst, Dave, please don't tell her about me and Penthouse Pet
Dominique (sp?) at Long Beach! This story is even sillier than the first
one.
arcman

> (snippage)
> > she had legs to kill for and she commented on my head gear, a modified,
> > Yasir Arafat
> > wet table cloth, held in place by my official Indy 500 visor cap.

> > "He's got the right idea!", she said, and the temperature rose even
> > higher.  Sigh...
> > arcman
>    Now that you mention it...my sister did talk about those races and the
> hat guy....lol
> dave henrie


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