rec.autos.simulators

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:30:00

Moving from an AGP V3 to a PCI V5 this week has caused me a little GPL
grief. Glide is definitely slower than on the V3, and fsaa is definitely
out of the question. Fortunately in D3D it's almost as fast as the V3 in
glide. The good news is that x2fsaa is well worth having "for free", but
I've had to drop from my preferred 1280x1024 on the V3 to 1024x768 (even
without fsaa) to ensure the frame rate stays pretty solid. Hardly the end
of the world :-)

But in all the messing about I've done in recent days I've realised again
how reliant what little skill I've got is upon that solid 36fps. If you
see any appreciable frame rate drop (and it's always obvious when it drops
more than 1 or 2 fps) then you *are* losing a little control which it's
all too easy to take for granted at 36.

So for anyone struggling with less than optimal hardware (you listening
Eldred? :-) there *is* hope. Some hope anyway. Well, a little... maybe ;-)

Andrew McP

by **Slic** » Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:08:02

My question is why moving from AGP to PCI? and not upgrading to a faster AGP
card?

--

Oliver

by **Eldre** » Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:38:13

>But in all the messing about I've done in recent days I've realised again
>how reliant what little skill I've got is upon that solid 36fps. If you
>see any appreciable frame rate drop (and it's always obvious when it drops
>more than 1 or 2 fps) then you *are* losing a little control which it's
>all too easy to take for granted at 36.

>So for anyone struggling with less than optimal hardware (you listening
>Eldred? :-) there *is* hope. Some hope anyway. Well, a little... maybe ;-)

>Andrew McP

Well, it'll be a while... :(

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:07:25

make sure you have the newest available drivers..should be dated mid
November. And if you feel that glide is running slower, try using the
single chip option rather than the "fastest" setting.
good luck
dave henrie

by **Richard Worde** » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:04:25

You really don't need 36 fps to have a good time with GPL. You can
even develop a decent handicap without it. My (ancient) Pentium 200Mhz MMX
machine manages frame rates in the mid-20s, usually. What you DO need
is practice time. After a year or so of occasional practice sessions I've
managed to get my handicap down to 26. More importantly, I can race
reasonably competitively mid-pack with the AI. If only I had a decent
connection I could way too much time racing on-line. At least this way
I stay married :o)

Rich Worden

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:29:01

But your low FPS would also affect(effect?) the other online drivers. For
everyone else's sake, stay offline until you can tweek or improve your
current system to get a stable 36fps. Everybit of dropped information has
to be
guessed at by the server, which will result in your car hopping all over the
track as the server attempts to keep track of your car without a full set of
data.
BTW,,,,good job with your handicap. You have done well.
dave henrie

by **Mikkel Gram-Hanse** » Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:30:01

The force is strong with this one Obi.....
Stay away from VROC... don't need another guy to beat me at every track ;)

Mikkel

by **Alexpe** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:33:01

i dont get many complaints about warp, im on a p200 as well....guess its
because im ahead of every one :P

-gpl ranked pez

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 17:08:00

> why moving from AGP to PCI? and not
> upgrading to a faster AGP card?

V5's were reduced to less than half price in UK stores. The AGP cards ran
out very quickly, so I didn't have a choice. Overall it looks like the PCI
V5 is a little slower than the V3 in some cases, but I can get x2 FSAA
"for free", sometimes x4. And whatever people might say, FSAA is something
you don't want to lose once you've seen it!

<tips hat> Well done, that's very impressive with a variable fps!

Andrew McP

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 17:08:00

> You really don't need 36 fps to have a good time with GPL.

Need? No. But once you've seen solid 36 you will understand *exactly* what
I mean :-) It really is a different sim.

Andrew McP

by **Slic** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:57:44

I see...

--

Oliver

> > why moving from AGP to PCI? and not
> > upgrading to a faster AGP card?

> V5's were reduced to less than half price in UK stores. The AGP cards ran
> out very quickly, so I didn't have a choice. Overall it looks like the PCI
> V5 is a little slower than the V3 in some cases, but I can get x2 FSAA
> "for free", sometimes x4. And whatever people might say, FSAA is something
> you don't want to lose once you've seen it!

> > handicap down to 26

> <tips hat> Well done, that's very impressive with a variable fps!

> Andrew McP

by **Michael Barlo** » Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:23:14

I'll second that! I was running a AMD K6-2/350 that had some problems.
With that I was able to get 36fps most all the time with low res and just a
couple three graphics turned on. Even then the frame rate varied through
each lap and I thought I was doing very good with this system. I just
upgraded to a 1G T-Bird with some extras and get a flat 36fps, at very high
res, with all graphics on, at high detail, and with many add-on graphics.
WOW what a difference!! I didn't realize this till now but I used to
tip-toe through the turns just because the frame rate varied. Now with no
frame rate problems I'm able to do things I could only dream about before.

When I first picked up GPL in 98 I had a P-150 and got 15fps at the Glen
in training mode. The fps was bad but it was stable at 15. So, the more
stable the frame rate the better everything runs. The higher the frame rate
with stability is a whole new world.

rec.autos.simulators

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is *not* optional if you want to be fast or consistent

GPL: solid 36fps is not optional if you want to be fast or consistent