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OT: New DVD Recorder

Larr

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Larr » Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:45:53

Every now and then a manufacturer comes out with a product that just leaves
the competition scratching their head and wondering what they are going to
do about it.  I figure this has happened at least twice this year:

1.  The ATI Radeon 9700 Pro.  I just wish I could validate the need to
upgrade to one.
2.  The new Sony DRU-500A CD/DVD Recorder.

I just picked up one of these new Sony's yesterday at CompUSA.  They were
released on Friday, October 11th so I was a bit suprised to see them have
them in stock so soon (though they didn't have a bunch).  I think this drive
is going to be hard to keep on the shelf.

If you haven't heard of it, the Sony DRU-500A is the first drive on the
market that is basically future and format proof.  It's the first truly
safe-purchase DVD Recorder made considering all the political bickering
going on concerning the DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW format wars.  Microsoft
tossing it's hat into the DVD+R/RW ring for approval, even though it's the
least compatible and least mature of the two, only worsened the situation.

Why?  Because the new Sony does _everything_.

CDR.  CDRW.  DVD-R.  DVD-RW.  DVD+R.  DVD+RW.  VCD.  Etc...

The only thing I'm not sure about is Mt. Raineer...  I'll have to re-check
the specs for that one.  But, since that's a packet-writing format I'll
never use it (packet writing is a pain in the ass).

The first thing I did was back up my server.  I used some Apple DVD-R discs
I picked up for my iMac.  They worked perfectly, and it took five 4.7GB
DVD-R's to back up the important stuff I would need to restore quickly in
case of a server drive failure.

Each 4.7GB disc took approximately 30 minutes to burn at DVD-R 2x speed.

DVD writing speed is different from CDR speed.  DVD-R 2x is equivelent to
just over 2700kb/sec.  CDR 2x is 300kb/sec.

I don't much care for the writing software that came with it.  RecordNow 4.5
is ok for beginners, but RecordNow Max is, IMHO, what they should have
packaged with the drive.  RecordNow Max is actually pretty nice.
Unfortunately, Veritas (the writer of RecordNow/RecordNow Max) decided to
take on Stomp as it's OEM partner for these products, and that's the only
place you can get them.  There is no version 4.5 of RecordNow Max, and the
current 4.1 version of Max does not support the new Sony (odd, yes).  My
experience with Stomp's ability to keep the software up to date for new
recorders and there tech support has been dismal.

Fear not.  The newly released version of Nero Burning Rom 5.5.8.14 supports
the Sony nicely, and since I also own Nero full compatibility was just a
download away.

The drive also comes with other software for movie editing and DVD-Movie
mastering, but I haven't used it yet.  MyDVD is the name of the DVD
Mastering Software it comes with.

Here's the best part!

The drive is only $349.  At that price they are not only providing a drive
that covers all formats in question, read AND write, but they are
under-cutting the retail price of most other single-format drives on the
market.

Killer stuff :)

-Larry

Larr

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Larr » Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:50:41

Typo Correction...

The newly released version of Nero is 5.5.9.14.

www.ahead.de

-Larry


Andreas Nystro

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Andreas Nystro » Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:55:50

is it possible to "back up" dvd movies?
and how much is the media?

$349 for the drive is pretty cheap. Thats less then i payed for my Panasonic
4x SCSI CDR back in teh 90's


Jay

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Jay » Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:39:53

I believe that unless you have a DVD player that can circumnavigate the
macrovision copyright protection software that you won't be able to make a
copy of a DVD...

That said, Apex makes an inexpensive DVD player that can be hacked and plays
DVD's, CD's MP3's VCD's and SVCD's!

I've got the older model AD-703 that I hacked with help from www.vcdhelp.com
it not only allows me to turn off macrovision, but also play DVD's from ANY
region code!

Now... The better question is... How do you get the output (S-Video or RCA
jack output) from the DVD player to feed into the PC in order to record?

I assume a video card that has S-Video or RCA in is a requirement, but from
there ???
Do you somehow record to hard drive first, then burn to DVD or can you play
on the DVD player, and record on the DVD burner directly?

For those videophiles out there who have done this... Please share!

Thanks
Jay J


> is it possible to "back up" dvd movies?
> and how much is the media?

> $349 for the drive is pretty cheap. Thats less then i payed for my
Panasonic
> 4x SCSI CDR back in teh 90's



> > Every now and then a manufacturer comes out with a product that just
> leaves
> > the competition scratching their head and wondering what they are going
to
> > do about it.  I figure this has happened at least twice this year:

> > 1.  The ATI Radeon 9700 Pro.  I just wish I could validate the need to
> > upgrade to one.
> > 2.  The new Sony DRU-500A CD/DVD Recorder.

> > I just picked up one of these new Sony's yesterday at CompUSA.  They
were
> > released on Friday, October 11th so I was a bit suprised to see them
have
> > them in stock so soon (though they didn't have a bunch).  I think this
> drive
> > is going to be hard to keep on the shelf.

> > If you haven't heard of it, the Sony DRU-500A is the first drive on the
> > market that is basically future and format proof.  It's the first truly
> > safe-purchase DVD Recorder made considering all the political bickering
> > going on concerning the DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW format wars.  Microsoft
> > tossing it's hat into the DVD+R/RW ring for approval, even though it's
the
> > least compatible and least mature of the two, only worsened the
situation.

> > Why?  Because the new Sony does _everything_.

> > CDR.  CDRW.  DVD-R.  DVD-RW.  DVD+R.  DVD+RW.  VCD.  Etc...

> > The only thing I'm not sure about is Mt. Raineer...  I'll have to
re-check
> > the specs for that one.  But, since that's a packet-writing format I'll
> > never use it (packet writing is a pain in the ass).

> > The first thing I did was back up my server.  I used some Apple DVD-R
> discs
> > I picked up for my iMac.  They worked perfectly, and it took five 4.7GB
> > DVD-R's to back up the important stuff I would need to restore quickly
in
> > case of a server drive failure.

> > Each 4.7GB disc took approximately 30 minutes to burn at DVD-R 2x speed.

> > DVD writing speed is different from CDR speed.  DVD-R 2x is equivelent
to
> > just over 2700kb/sec.  CDR 2x is 300kb/sec.

> > I don't much care for the writing software that came with it.  RecordNow
> 4.5
> > is ok for beginners, but RecordNow Max is, IMHO, what they should have
> > packaged with the drive.  RecordNow Max is actually pretty nice.
> > Unfortunately, Veritas (the writer of RecordNow/RecordNow Max) decided
to
> > take on Stomp as it's OEM partner for these products, and that's the
only
> > place you can get them.  There is no version 4.5 of RecordNow Max, and
the
> > current 4.1 version of Max does not support the new Sony (odd, yes).  My
> > experience with Stomp's ability to keep the software up to date for new
> > recorders and there tech support has been dismal.

> > Fear not.  The newly released version of Nero Burning Rom 5.5.8.14
> supports
> > the Sony nicely, and since I also own Nero full compatibility was just a
> > download away.

> > The drive also comes with other software for movie editing and DVD-Movie
> > mastering, but I haven't used it yet.  MyDVD is the name of the DVD
> > Mastering Software it comes with.

> > Here's the best part!

> > The drive is only $349.  At that price they are not only providing a
drive
> > that covers all formats in question, read AND write, but they are
> > under-cutting the retail price of most other single-format drives on the
> > market.

> > Killer stuff :)

> > -Larry

Larr

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Larr » Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:44:50

Video DVD's are copy-protected, so the short answer is no.

There are ways around that (Divx) if you are in to that sort of thing, but
most Divx movies will fit on CD when you are done.

Right now, the median price for quality, name-brand media is around $5 each
for DVD-R's.

-Larry


> is it possible to "back up" dvd movies?
> and how much is the media?

> $349 for the drive is pretty cheap. Thats less then i payed for my
Panasonic
> 4x SCSI CDR back in teh 90's



> > Every now and then a manufacturer comes out with a product that just
> leaves
> > the competition scratching their head and wondering what they are going
to
> > do about it.  I figure this has happened at least twice this year:

> > 1.  The ATI Radeon 9700 Pro.  I just wish I could validate the need to
> > upgrade to one.
> > 2.  The new Sony DRU-500A CD/DVD Recorder.

> > I just picked up one of these new Sony's yesterday at CompUSA.  They
were
> > released on Friday, October 11th so I was a bit suprised to see them
have
> > them in stock so soon (though they didn't have a bunch).  I think this
> drive
> > is going to be hard to keep on the shelf.

> > If you haven't heard of it, the Sony DRU-500A is the first drive on the
> > market that is basically future and format proof.  It's the first truly
> > safe-purchase DVD Recorder made considering all the political bickering
> > going on concerning the DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW format wars.  Microsoft
> > tossing it's hat into the DVD+R/RW ring for approval, even though it's
the
> > least compatible and least mature of the two, only worsened the
situation.

> > Why?  Because the new Sony does _everything_.

> > CDR.  CDRW.  DVD-R.  DVD-RW.  DVD+R.  DVD+RW.  VCD.  Etc...

> > The only thing I'm not sure about is Mt. Raineer...  I'll have to re-che
ck
> > the specs for that one.  But, since that's a packet-writing format I'll
> > never use it (packet writing is a pain in the ass).

> > The first thing I did was back up my server.  I used some Apple DVD-R
> discs
> > I picked up for my iMac.  They worked perfectly, and it took five 4.7GB
> > DVD-R's to back up the important stuff I would need to restore quickly
in
> > case of a server drive failure.

> > Each 4.7GB disc took approximately 30 minutes to burn at DVD-R 2x speed.

> > DVD writing speed is different from CDR speed.  DVD-R 2x is equivelent
to
> > just over 2700kb/sec.  CDR 2x is 300kb/sec.

> > I don't much care for the writing software that came with it.  RecordNow
> 4.5
> > is ok for beginners, but RecordNow Max is, IMHO, what they should have
> > packaged with the drive.  RecordNow Max is actually pretty nice.
> > Unfortunately, Veritas (the writer of RecordNow/RecordNow Max) decided
to
> > take on Stomp as it's OEM partner for these products, and that's the
only
> > place you can get them.  There is no version 4.5 of RecordNow Max, and
the
> > current 4.1 version of Max does not support the new Sony (odd, yes).  My
> > experience with Stomp's ability to keep the software up to date for new
> > recorders and there tech support has been dismal.

> > Fear not.  The newly released version of Nero Burning Rom 5.5.8.14
> supports
> > the Sony nicely, and since I also own Nero full compatibility was just a
> > download away.

> > The drive also comes with other software for movie editing and DVD-Movie
> > mastering, but I haven't used it yet.  MyDVD is the name of the DVD
> > Mastering Software it comes with.

> > Here's the best part!

> > The drive is only $349.  At that price they are not only providing a
drive
> > that covers all formats in question, read AND write, but they are
> > under-cutting the retail price of most other single-format drives on the
> > market.

> > Killer stuff :)

> > -Larry

Damien Smit

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Damien Smit » Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:48:27

Erm...can't you simply rip the DVD with Smartripper to defeat the copy
protection?  www.doom9.org has full details....

Damien Smit

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Damien Smit » Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:05:21

So which is better - DVD-R or DVD+R?
 "       "     "      "    - DVD-RW or DVD+RW?

Damien Smit

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Damien Smit » Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:19:35

Also, my local PC supplier has a Sony DRU-500. - was that an earlier model
or is it the same drive that they've forgotten to put the A on the end....?
Larr

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Larr » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:48:51

Yes, you can.

Thus my comment "The short answer is...".

You also have to keep in mind that CSS may not be the only form of copy
protection on the disc.

-Larry


Larr

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Larr » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:49:46

Every test ever done has shown DVD-R to be the most compatible with other
DVD players, especially tabletop players.

The way I see it, DVD+R/RW is about politics and DVD-R is about
compatibility.

-Larry


Larr

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Larr » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:51:00

Not everyone lists the "A".

It's easy to tell.  Just look at the box/specs.  It's the only drive in
existance right now that does - and + formats, and they don't hold back in
advertising those specs :)

-Larry


Larr

OT: New DVD Recorder

by Larr » Sun, 03 Nov 2002 04:00:55

Yes, and buyers of this drive are supposed to get a free download of
RecordNow DX, which I _think_ is Veritas's version of this.

-Larry




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