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by **MadDAW** » Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:27:35

Do Mini coopers push that much for real? To quote a NASCAR saying "it pushes
worse than a dump truck" The really tight corners are PITA because I can't
get the back end to step out even with the E brake. I always end up going up
the hill and into the trees on the "left turn" . I'm surprised my co driver
will even get in the car anymore. :)

MadDAWG

by **Gregor Vebl** » Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:31:39

Keep your accelerator planted and push the brake pedal at the same time-
a cure for most all understeer problems :).

-Gregor

> Do Mini coopers push that much for real? To quote a NASCAR saying "it pushes
> worse than a dump truck" The really tight corners are PITA because I can't
> get the back end to step out even with the E brake. I always end up going up
> the hill and into the trees on the "left turn" . I'm surprised my co driver
> will even get in the car anymore. :)

> MadDAWG

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:50:48

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:31:39 +0200, Gregor Veble

>Keep your accelerator planted and push the brake pedal at the same time-
>a cure for most all understeer problems :).

Lol 2 seconds before reading this post I posted about the same
problem.. thx, I'll try :)

Andre

>-Gregor

>> Do Mini coopers push that much for real? To quote a NASCAR saying "it pushes
>> worse than a dump truck" The really tight corners are PITA because I can't
>> get the back end to step out even with the E brake. I always end up going up
>> the hill and into the trees on the "left turn" . I'm surprised my co driver
>> will even get in the car anymore. :)

>> MadDAWG

by **Andy Laurenc** » Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:02:19

Nope. A good way to provoke oversteer in a Mini is to either lift sharply,
or dip the clutch. The back will come round quicker than you can straighten
up the wheel with the latter.

Andy (who went darting across the road and onto the pavement on the other
side once after dipping the clutch mid-corner)
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by **Nigel Pengell** » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:33:04

"Keep your accelerator planted and push the brake pedal at the same time-
a cure for most all understeer problems :) "

what if your using joystick like me ;o)
Bluemooney

by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:52:31

Also, begin your turn with the wheel just an instant before hitting the
brake. The back end will come around easily then.

David G Fisher

> On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:31:39 +0200, Gregor Veble

> >Keep your accelerator planted and push the brake pedal at the same time-
> >a cure for most all understeer problems :).

> Lol 2 seconds before reading this post I posted about the same
> problem.. thx, I'll try :)

> Andre

> >-Gregor

> >> Do Mini coopers push that much for real? To quote a NASCAR saying "it
pushes
> >> worse than a dump truck" The really tight corners are PITA because I
can't
> >> get the back end to step out even with the E brake. I always end up
going up
> >> the hill and into the trees on the "left turn" . I'm surprised my co
driver
> >> will even get in the car anymore. :)

> >> MadDAWG

by **S??bastien Tixie** » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:16:44

2 WD cars rulezzZZZzz ;o)

> Keep your accelerator planted and push the brake pedal at the same time-
> a cure for most all understeer problems :).

> -Gregor

> > Do Mini coopers push that much for real? To quote a NASCAR saying "it pushes
> > worse than a dump truck" The really tight corners are PITA because I can't
> > get the back end to step out even with the E brake. I always end up going up
> > the hill and into the trees on the "left turn" . I'm surprised my co driver
> > will even get in the car anymore. :)

> > MadDAWG

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by **Marc Collin** » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:11:23

That's why real cars don't use a joystick. They are not aeroplanes.

Marc.

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:21:29

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:52:31 GMT, "David G Fisher"

>Also, begin your turn with the wheel just an instant before hitting the
>brake. The back end will come around easily then.

>David G Fisher

Yep, these techniques work perfect in RT! The 2 sharp corners was
where I was losing most of my time.. tried it yesterday and dropped
from 2:39 to 2:31 on the second run :)
Now where the hell am I supposed to find the other 5 seconds??
Great fun though.

Andre

by **Tom Pabs** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:33:23

The fully executed proper technique to get front wheel race cars to "point"
must include coordinated split second movement of both the left and right
foot on the brake and gas respectively (10% brake and lift 10% gas - or so).
When you are good at this, you will resemble a prima' ballerina and you'll
dance on the pedals of the mini-Cooper as if your feet were the wings of a
butterfly!

Watch the foot work of the pros! They could put a FWD rally car into a 90
deg - left - through the knothole of a tree at 90 mph without even
scratching the sides! These - are the best drivers in the world - no doubts
about that!

Too bad we can't get more of them into F1? Can you imagine their laughter
when the crew chief tried to show them the traction control, launch control
electronics! .....ROFLMAO....!!!!! How cool would F1 racing be if they
returned the car specs back to 1967 (maintaining today's safety specs)! Oh
my God. I'd never miss a single race!

Tom

by **Andy Laurenc** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:29:28

They have launch/traction control and *lots* of electronics in rallying now.

Andy
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by **Ed Solhei** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:46:25

To be fair.. in RT - the Mini and it's physics, dont reflect reality much.

Centre of gravity is miles too low and the perfornace of the car is way to
high. 0-100km/h (60mph) in less thabn 8 second?? On *gravel*??)

A Mini do generally push pretty bad, but there are ways to make to oversteer
or more loose... Sadly none of these work any good in RT.

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