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Buy GPL...............again??

MacWu

Buy GPL...............again??

by MacWu » Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Hi there,
                I thought I'd send this post to explain a problem I had
lately. My GPL CD would no longer function, all other CD's work so my drive
is ok. I had no other solution (except maybe a pirate copy) than to buy GPL
again.......... I did this with a little bit of regret, money is money, but
GPL is being sold over here (France) with Viper Racing fo free, (It says
"Buy GPL, Viper Racing Offered", so It's definately not the other way
round), for the modest fee of 249Ffr, thats 25,,, $40 if Im not too far
off. I think thats pretty good, but several things crossed my mind:
1>  Is GPL going to be taken off the shelves completely?
<Thats what the salesman told me when I took some interest  In asking about
GPL sales etc, he has no idea to what point so many of us are ***ed to
this sim, but thats besides the point, what Im getting at is what will
happen if another CD goes kapoot and I cant find GPL in the stores? Then
I'll be forced to think ahead and Pirate the thing.....which brings me to my
second point
2> Sierra have made it impossible to us Europeans to play (offline) GPL
without the CD in the drive, which means in , out , in, out and what happens
to the CD?? It gets scratched of course. Its not that I dont take care of my
CDs, but it's obvious to me that Its because I play GPL so much, but then I
listen to Music on my PC, install other programs, that after so many in-outs
of the CD drive, that its surface has degraded.But then Sierra didnt think
of this did they? So...
3> The point in penalising us Europeans is because they are scared we lend
CD to friends, they copy it, pirating under whatever form, but have they
thought that this prevention might actually become the cause of Pirating?
If I was rich,(which I'm not <G>) I'd be happy to buy a load of GPL original
CD's, because its the BEST SIM  THERE IS. But I'd prefer by far buying it
straight from papyrus, for their hard work, than from Sierra.
4> So I demand of Sierra that either they send me a GPL CD every time it
ends up kapoot , OR they bring a patch out,  so that our European versions
work without the cd OR they give me permission to make copies of it, I know
that officially Its allowed to make one back-up copy, but however little it
costs for a blank cd(and you need a CDR), It really shouldnt be my problem
should it? Or am I talking a load of bollocks? :o)
I should put smileys everywhere on this letter, I'm not taking this
seriously so dont write ***in letters back guys please
Ross "The Boss" MacGregor (alias MacWun on GSB)
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Ruud van Ga

Buy GPL...............again??

by Ruud van Ga » Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:00:00



...

You just have to tweak 1 little byte...

And you can just backup those 133Mb of the GPL directory, and copy it
back later on if you lose it. It doesn't seem to do a lot with the
registry.

Ruud van Gaal
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Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

Han Monsee

Buy GPL...............again??

by Han Monsee » Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:00:00




> ...
> >My GPL CD would no longer function, all other CD's work so my drive
> >is ok. I had no other solution (except maybe a pirate copy) than to buy GPL
> >again..

I think there is another solution: Send the CD to the manufacturer of
importer. They will replace the CD (virtually) free. I think they are even
legally forced to do that (you should ask de consumentenbond).

Furthermore, it is NOT illegal to copy (let copy) a CD for backup
purposes. I think it is a good idea to backup the most important CD's,
store them in a safe place and use the copied CD's to use.

So it is legal to copy your new CD to replace the original one and to sell
the new CD. Then you have a licensed version, a backup for your own
purposes and (partly) your money back!

Anyone who (dis)agrees with my intepretation of (Dutch) laws?

greetings,
hgrm

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Olav K. Malm

Buy GPL...............again??

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:00:00


> 2> Sierra have made it impossible to us Europeans to play (offline) GPL
> without the CD in the drive, which means in , out , in, out and what happens
> to the CD?? It gets scratched of course. Its not that I dont take care of my
> CDs, but it's obvious to me that Its because I play GPL so much, but then I
> listen to Music on my PC, install other programs, that after so many in-outs
> of the CD drive, that its surface has degraded.But then Sierra didnt think
> of this did they? So...

I found a NoCD patch somewhere, maybe it was at www.theuspits.com. I haven't
tried it though.

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Olav K. Malmin
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Bruce Kennewel

Buy GPL...............again??

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:00:00

You will be able to install from the copied CD but you will NOT be able to
play the game with that CD!  The protection system prevents it.





> > ...
> > >My GPL CD would no longer function, all other CD's work so my drive
> > >is ok. I had no other solution (except maybe a pirate copy) than to buy
GPL
> > >again..

> I think there is another solution: Send the CD to the manufacturer of
> importer. They will replace the CD (virtually) free. I think they are even
> legally forced to do that (you should ask de consumentenbond).

> Furthermore, it is NOT illegal to copy (let copy) a CD for backup
> purposes. I think it is a good idea to backup the most important CD's,
> store them in a safe place and use the copied CD's to use.

> So it is legal to copy your new CD to replace the original one and to sell
> the new CD. Then you have a licensed version, a backup for your own
> purposes and (partly) your money back!

> Anyone who (dis)agrees with my intepretation of (Dutch) laws?

> greetings,
> hgrm

> > ..
> > >2> Sierra have made it impossible to us Europeans to play (offline) GPL
> > >without the CD in the drive,

> > You just have to tweak 1 little byte...

> > And you can just backup those 133Mb of the GPL directory, and copy it
> > back later on if you lose it. It doesn't seem to do a lot with the
> > registry.

> > Ruud van Gaal
> > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
> > Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

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Wolfgang Preis

Buy GPL...............again??

by Wolfgang Preis » Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:00:00

[snip]

 :) Nice attempt at eqivocation, but I don't think Dutch laws are that
rotten. It's not as if we were talking about Belgi... (duck and take
cover).

Seriously, if you read the license agreemanet of virtually any piece
of software, you will see that you did not "buy the software" or "buy
the CD". What you bought is usually the right to *run* the software on
one computer at a time. You bought a license - the physical objects
that come with it (CD, box, manual, etc.) are not the most important
objects of your purchase, the license is.

Now, if you somehow get hold of two CDs, but have only one license,
and you sell one of the CDs to somebody else and keep using the other,
one of you two is using a pirated copy, even if you both have original
CDs.

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Wolfgang Preiss   \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.


Remco Moe

Buy GPL...............again??

by Remco Moe » Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:00:00





>> ...
>> >My GPL CD would no longer function, all other CD's work so my drive
>> >is ok. I had no other solution (except maybe a pirate copy) than to buy GPL
>> >again..

>I think there is another solution: Send the CD to the manufacturer of
>importer. They will replace the CD (virtually) free. I think they are even
>legally forced to do that (you should ask de consumentenbond).

>Furthermore, it is NOT illegal to copy (let copy) a CD for backup
>purposes. I think it is a good idea to backup the most important CD's,
>store them in a safe place and use the copied CD's to use.

>So it is legal to copy your new CD to replace the original one and to sell
>the new CD. Then you have a licensed version, a backup for your own
>purposes and (partly) your money back!

>Anyone who (dis)agrees with my intepretation of (Dutch) laws?

I disagree. When you buy software, you buy the right to use the
software. That's why you're allowed to create a backup of the original
CD. So when you sell the original CD, you actually sell the rights to
use the software, ergo you're not allowed anymore to use the software,
even if you've a working CD....

Remco


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