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SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

David Butte

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by David Butte » Fri, 25 May 2001 09:03:20

After the conversation of 2 days ago, I want out to GAME and bought SoS
on super-budget. And what d'ya know? It's not as bad as the demo. In
fact, with the joystick util, it's quite reasonable.

It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more warmly.

I suppose I'd give it a C+ or so... IF it didn't keep crashing to the
desktop. Which it does *ridiculously* often - about every 2-3 races. I
haven't got high hopes, but has anyone patched that?

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Jay

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by Jay » Fri, 25 May 2001 09:42:12

Just curious, did you buy it through the New Zealand site or did you find it
somewhere in the USA ?


David Butte

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by David Butte » Fri, 25 May 2001 10:14:15


Er... as I live in the UK that might be a little expensive...

I went to GAME and bought it - as I said in my original post. Cost me
five quid.

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

TopLoade

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by TopLoade » Fri, 25 May 2001 10:14:40

It's $20.00AUD here at the swap meets.

Cheers, David.
TopLoader.
Melbourne, Australia.

himrli..

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by himrli.. » Fri, 25 May 2001 10:18:10

"Quite reasonable," eh?  Not bad.  Certainly
better than the usual beating this title seems to
invite.

I would agree that SoS is not so different from
TOCA.  And, if the expectations had been a bit
gentler and the out-of-the-box controls a bit
better, it would have had a much easier time of
it.

As it is, SoS is a lot of fun.  It's a snap to
edit the scenarios and run against whatever you
please for as long as you want on the track of
your choice.

Sounds like you're having a good time with it,
David, and good times are rare enough that every
one should be cherished.

As for a patch, sadly, no joy there.  The title
never got enough exposure to warrant the effort.

On 24 May 2001 00:03:20 GMT,


Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

himrli..

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by himrli.. » Fri, 25 May 2001 10:20:08

I believe David lives in the UK so, most likely,
he just popped out and bought it.  SoS never got
US distribution, so until another UK dealer starts
shipping worldwide, the New Zealand site is the
only place to find it.  

On Thu, 24 May 2001 00:42:12 GMT, "Jay J"


>Just curious, did you buy it through the New Zealand site or did you find it
>somewhere in the USA ?



>> After the conversation of 2 days ago, I want out to GAME and bought SoS
>> on super-budget. And what d'ya know? It's not as bad as the demo. In
>> fact, with the joystick util, it's quite reasonable.

>> It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
>> compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
>> it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more warmly.

>> I suppose I'd give it a C+ or so... IF it didn't keep crashing to the
>> desktop. Which it does *ridiculously* often - about every 2-3 races. I
>> haven't got high hopes, but has anyone patched that?

>> --
>> David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
>> The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
>> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
>> really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....
Jay

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by Jay » Fri, 25 May 2001 10:34:51

Sorry, I didn't realize you were from the UK, your e-mail address didn't
seem to be a .co.uk address so I ASS-umed...... My bad....

JJ



> >Just curious, did you buy it through the New Zealand site or did you
> >find it somewhere in the USA ?

> Er... as I live in the UK that might be a little expensive...

> I went to GAME and bought it - as I said in my original post. Cost me
> five quid.

> --
> David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
> The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

MP

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by MP » Fri, 25 May 2001 18:32:28

It came as a big disappointment to me - I'd been looking forward to it
for quite a while as I'd seen it at a few shows. I should have known
better as whenever I saw it at E3 or ECTS, it only had one car going
round Donington.

The worst things to me were:

- poor, unsatisfying physics model
- bad AI and not enough cars
- inaccurate track models (though Donington was quite good)
- *zero* atmosphere of racing in the 30's

I'd give it a D-

- Michael

David Butte

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by David Butte » Fri, 25 May 2001 18:53:52


My fault, really - it *is* a .co.uk address - I just mistyped it in the
newsreader :)

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

John Bod

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by John Bod » Fri, 25 May 2001 23:12:21

Good to see that others are now discovering that SoS isn't really the
POS we thought it was initially.  After being amazed by the historic
grandeur and overall sim goodness of GPL, we were all prepared for SoS
to make a grab for GPL's sim racing crown.  The fact that it didn't
aspire to GPL's heights physics-wise left us all angry and
disappointed, and, hence, we didn't really judge SoS for what it was.

What SoS is, I believe, is a NFSPU-caliber historic sim that covers an
era of racing history that has never been addressed elsewhere.  The
Historic SCGT cars make an attempt to re-create this era, but the
tracks and atmosphere of SoS really does a much better job of
capturing the overall flavor of the era.

As MrLipid indicated elsewhere in this thread, the scenarios are a LOT
of fun -- much like the "Factory Driver" mode in NFSPU or the "Beat
the Heat" mode in NASCAR Heat, in fact (and SoS preceded both of these
titles, if you recall).  The scenarios add an additional level of
playability to the game that nobody ever paid any attention to when
SoS was initially released.  The scenarios aren't easy, either --
there are a few that I'm still struggling to get through.  Unlike
NFSPU or NASCAR Heat, though, you DO NOT have to go through the
scenarios in a linear manner -- you can pick-and-choose which
scenarios to run at your leisure.

Great fun overall!

David summed it up best, I think:

"It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more
warmly."

-- JB

P.S. I'm having fun now picking on the europeans in the game using the
U.S.-build Duesenbergs and Millers -- both marques have a rich history
for their achievements at the Indianapolis 500, which is very
appropriate for the month of May!

;-)



>After the conversation of 2 days ago, I want out to GAME and bought SoS
>on super-budget. And what d'ya know? It's not as bad as the demo. In
>fact, with the joystick util, it's quite reasonable.

>It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
>compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
>it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more warmly.

>I suppose I'd give it a C+ or so... IF it didn't keep crashing to the
>desktop. Which it does *ridiculously* often - about every 2-3 races. I
>haven't got high hopes, but has anyone patched that?

>--
>David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
>The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
>"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
>really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Semi

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by Semi » Sat, 26 May 2001 06:21:07

I thought there was a control patch or something for this


> Good to see that others are now discovering that SoS isn't really the
> POS we thought it was initially.  After being amazed by the historic
> grandeur and overall sim goodness of GPL, we were all prepared for SoS
> to make a grab for GPL's sim racing crown.  The fact that it didn't
> aspire to GPL's heights physics-wise left us all angry and
> disappointed, and, hence, we didn't really judge SoS for what it was.

> What SoS is, I believe, is a NFSPU-caliber historic sim that covers an
> era of racing history that has never been addressed elsewhere.  The
> Historic SCGT cars make an attempt to re-create this era, but the
> tracks and atmosphere of SoS really does a much better job of
> capturing the overall flavor of the era.

> As MrLipid indicated elsewhere in this thread, the scenarios are a LOT
> of fun -- much like the "Factory Driver" mode in NFSPU or the "Beat
> the Heat" mode in NASCAR Heat, in fact (and SoS preceded both of these
> titles, if you recall).  The scenarios add an additional level of
> playability to the game that nobody ever paid any attention to when
> SoS was initially released.  The scenarios aren't easy, either --
> there are a few that I'm still struggling to get through.  Unlike
> NFSPU or NASCAR Heat, though, you DO NOT have to go through the
> scenarios in a linear manner -- you can pick-and-choose which
> scenarios to run at your leisure.

> Great fun overall!

> David summed it up best, I think:

> "It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
> compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
> it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more
> warmly."

> -- JB

> P.S. I'm having fun now picking on the europeans in the game using the
> U.S.-build Duesenbergs and Millers -- both marques have a rich history
> for their achievements at the Indianapolis 500, which is very
> appropriate for the month of May!

> ;-)



> >After the conversation of 2 days ago, I want out to GAME and bought SoS
> >on super-budget. And what d'ya know? It's not as bad as the demo. In
> >fact, with the joystick util, it's quite reasonable.

> >It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
> >compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
> >it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more warmly.

> >I suppose I'd give it a C+ or so... IF it didn't keep crashing to the
> >desktop. Which it does *ridiculously* often - about every 2-3 races. I
> >haven't got high hopes, but has anyone patched that?

> >--
> >David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
> >The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
> >"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> >really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

John Bod

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by John Bod » Sat, 26 May 2001 07:12:44

Hmmmm . . . if so, that would be GREAT!  Anybody else hear of any
patches for SoS????

-- JB

On Thu, 24 May 2001 22:21:07 +0100, "Semi"


>I thought there was a control patch or something for this



>> Good to see that others are now discovering that SoS isn't really the
>> POS we thought it was initially.  After being amazed by the historic
>> grandeur and overall sim goodness of GPL, we were all prepared for SoS
>> to make a grab for GPL's sim racing crown.  The fact that it didn't
>> aspire to GPL's heights physics-wise left us all angry and
>> disappointed, and, hence, we didn't really judge SoS for what it was.

>> What SoS is, I believe, is a NFSPU-caliber historic sim that covers an
>> era of racing history that has never been addressed elsewhere.  The
>> Historic SCGT cars make an attempt to re-create this era, but the
>> tracks and atmosphere of SoS really does a much better job of
>> capturing the overall flavor of the era.

>> As MrLipid indicated elsewhere in this thread, the scenarios are a LOT
>> of fun -- much like the "Factory Driver" mode in NFSPU or the "Beat
>> the Heat" mode in NASCAR Heat, in fact (and SoS preceded both of these
>> titles, if you recall).  The scenarios add an additional level of
>> playability to the game that nobody ever paid any attention to when
>> SoS was initially released.  The scenarios aren't easy, either --
>> there are a few that I'm still struggling to get through.  Unlike
>> NFSPU or NASCAR Heat, though, you DO NOT have to go through the
>> scenarios in a linear manner -- you can pick-and-choose which
>> scenarios to run at your leisure.

>> Great fun overall!

>> David summed it up best, I think:

>> "It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
>> compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
>> it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more
>> warmly."

>> -- JB

>> P.S. I'm having fun now picking on the europeans in the game using the
>> U.S.-build Duesenbergs and Millers -- both marques have a rich history
>> for their achievements at the Indianapolis 500, which is very
>> appropriate for the month of May!

>> ;-)



>> >After the conversation of 2 days ago, I want out to GAME and bought SoS
>> >on super-budget. And what d'ya know? It's not as bad as the demo. In
>> >fact, with the joystick util, it's quite reasonable.

>> >It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
>> >compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
>> >it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more warmly.

>> >I suppose I'd give it a C+ or so... IF it didn't keep crashing to the
>> >desktop. Which it does *ridiculously* often - about every 2-3 races. I
>> >haven't got high hopes, but has anyone patched that?

>> >--
>> >David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
>> >The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
>> >"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
>> >really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

himrli..

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by himrli.. » Sat, 26 May 2001 10:21:00

If so, it would be great.  Unfortunately, there
are no patches mentioned on the Broadsword website
-- which has not been updated since December 18,
2000 -- and there are no patches listed on The
Patches Scrolls

http://www.patches-scrolls.de/index4.html

which is where that sort of stuff usually winds
up.  SoS appears to have been released and, but
for various different language ports to Dreamcast,
abandoned.

Thank heaven for Bob Church and StickWorks.  :)
(The patch for the unpatched.)

On Thu, 24 May 2001 22:12:44 GMT,


>Hmmmm . . . if so, that would be GREAT!  Anybody else hear of any
>patches for SoS????

>-- JB

>On Thu, 24 May 2001 22:21:07 +0100, "Semi"

>>I thought there was a control patch or something for this



>>> Good to see that others are now discovering that SoS isn't really the
>>> POS we thought it was initially.  After being amazed by the historic
>>> grandeur and overall sim goodness of GPL, we were all prepared for SoS
>>> to make a grab for GPL's sim racing crown.  The fact that it didn't
>>> aspire to GPL's heights physics-wise left us all angry and
>>> disappointed, and, hence, we didn't really judge SoS for what it was.

>>> What SoS is, I believe, is a NFSPU-caliber historic sim that covers an
>>> era of racing history that has never been addressed elsewhere.  The
>>> Historic SCGT cars make an attempt to re-create this era, but the
>>> tracks and atmosphere of SoS really does a much better job of
>>> capturing the overall flavor of the era.

>>> As MrLipid indicated elsewhere in this thread, the scenarios are a LOT
>>> of fun -- much like the "Factory Driver" mode in NFSPU or the "Beat
>>> the Heat" mode in NASCAR Heat, in fact (and SoS preceded both of these
>>> titles, if you recall).  The scenarios add an additional level of
>>> playability to the game that nobody ever paid any attention to when
>>> SoS was initially released.  The scenarios aren't easy, either --
>>> there are a few that I'm still struggling to get through.  Unlike
>>> NFSPU or NASCAR Heat, though, you DO NOT have to go through the
>>> scenarios in a linear manner -- you can pick-and-choose which
>>> scenarios to run at your leisure.

>>> Great fun overall!

>>> David summed it up best, I think:

>>> "It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
>>> compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
>>> it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more
>>> warmly."

>>> -- JB

>>> P.S. I'm having fun now picking on the europeans in the game using the
>>> U.S.-build Duesenbergs and Millers -- both marques have a rich history
>>> for their achievements at the Indianapolis 500, which is very
>>> appropriate for the month of May!

>>> ;-)



>>> >After the conversation of 2 days ago, I want out to GAME and bought SoS
>>> >on super-budget. And what d'ya know? It's not as bad as the demo. In
>>> >fact, with the joystick util, it's quite reasonable.

>>> >It's never going to be a GPL-beater, but I think the person who
>>> >compared it to TOCA wasn't too far off. Perhaps if no-one had expected
>>> >it to be a GPL-rivalling sim, it might have been received more warmly.

>>> >I suppose I'd give it a C+ or so... IF it didn't keep crashing to the
>>> >desktop. Which it does *ridiculously* often - about every 2-3 races. I
>>> >haven't got high hopes, but has anyone patched that?

>>> >--
>>> >David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
>>> >The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
>>> >"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
>>> >really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....
David Butte

SoS1937 - OK, I did it...

by David Butte » Sun, 27 May 2001 17:25:32

Hey - there was a reply to this (with a URL for patches) when I looked
on Google ('cause my news server was being annoying). Where's it gorn?

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +282.87)
The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.