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AutoBraking Editor WCF1

philip t gandert

AutoBraking Editor WCF1

by philip t gandert » Fri, 22 Apr 1994 04:17:32

        I notice that there are editors for World Circuit that appear to
allow users to alter facets of the simulation.  I'm new to this group and
the simulation, but I wonder if there is a way to alter the AutoBraking so
as to brake later. ANother possibility would be to have the braking on a
separate key (not the joystick).

Thanks
        phil ganderton

Paul Smy

AutoBraking Editor WCF1

by Paul Smy » Fri, 22 Apr 1994 05:16:30


Of course, one way to solve this problem is to alter your OWN setups so that
you have to brake earlier... e.g. by putting your brake balance way forward.
        I'm pretty certain that it's possible to totally match the
computer cars' performances with your car, using WCF1GP.EXE and F1ED.EXE,
together with altering your own setups.
        So it's not a problem, really.

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Paul Smyth, Dept of Medical BioPhysics, University of Manchester.

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Max Beha

AutoBraking Editor WCF1

by Max Beha » Fri, 22 Apr 1994 14:32:37


>Of course, one way to solve this problem is to alter your OWN setups so that
>you have to brake earlier... e.g. by putting your brake balance way forward.

        That's something I've been wondering about.... Brake Balance....
I've seen a couple of hint files with "good" setups for WC cars but what
bugged me was that the brake balance was set to the REAR! Now from what I
read in the manual it suggests that due to the weight transfer caused by
braking of more weight on the front wheels there should be more brake
power to the front... thus I've always set brake balance to the front.
Puzzling....

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Paul Smy

AutoBraking Editor WCF1

by Paul Smy » Fri, 22 Apr 1994 22:49:06


        Too right!! I've thought long and hard about this, and it just doesn't make sense
AT ALL! When the brakes are set to the rear, it's very easy to lose control of the car completely
under braking, as you see to lose the back end of the car- just as one would expect with a very
 forward setting- it looks as though they've just got it the wrong way around. Looks like even a
minor (or major) deity such as Geoff Crammond can make mistakes...

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Paul Smyth, Dept of Medical BioPhysics, University of Manchester.

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Peter Burk

AutoBraking Editor WCF1

by Peter Burk » Sat, 23 Apr 1994 06:55:38


writes:


writes:
>>        I notice that there are editors for World Circuit that appear to
>>allow users to alter facets of the simulation.  I'm new to this group
and
>>the simulation, but I wonder if there is a way to alter the AutoBraking
so
>>as to brake later. ANother possibility would be to have the braking on a
>>separate key (not the joystick).

>Of course, one way to solve this problem is to alter your OWN setups so
that
>you have to brake earlier... e.g. by putting your brake balance way
forward.
>    I'm pretty certain that it's possible to totally match the
>computer cars' performances with your car, using WCF1GP.EXE and F1ED.EXE,
>together with altering your own setups.

The new "tire grip" editor allows you to improve the braking of the
computer
cars to a degree that will match your own braking - you won't be able to
pass at every corner anymore. It's called WCF1GP.zip and can be ftp'd
from didnt.doit.wisc.edu along with all the other editors.

You should be able to create computer cars that's kick your ***in every
respect, not just horsepower.

Peter

Paul Smy

AutoBraking Editor WCF1

by Paul Smy » Sat, 23 Apr 1994 20:42:07


In my experience, it doesn't have quite enough effect, though. In order to get the computer
cars braking late enough, their grip is so great everywhere else that they're much
quicker than you all over the rest of the course- so the only way to match BOTH
braking distances AND cornering speeds is to increase your own braking distances.
I think!

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Paul Smyth, Dept of Medical BioPhysics, University of Manchester.

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Julian Bo

AutoBraking Editor WCF1

by Julian Bo » Fri, 29 Apr 1994 22:34:41



>>I've seen a couple of hint files with "good" setups for WC cars but what
>>bugged me was that the brake balance was set to the REAR!
>>Puzzling....

>    Too right!! I've thought long and hard about this, and it just doesn't make sense
>AT ALL! When the brakes are set to the rear, it's very easy to lose control of the car completely
>under braking, as you see to lose the back end of the car- just as one would expect with a very
> forward setting- it looks as though they've just got it the wrong way around. Looks like even a
>minor (or major) deity such as Geoff Crammond can make mistakes...

There is no doubt that the car is much more controllable and you can
brake later with the brakes set to the rear - my brother still believes
the manual, but he is slowly coming around as I outbrake him more often
than not :)

I have known this for almost a year, but not thought it to be a bug - but
I guess it is not the way it should be.  I ride a motorbike, and all
heavy braking is done with the front due to wait transfer (the back
brake is useless when the rear whell is in the air :)

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Max Beha

AutoBraking Editor WCF1

by Max Beha » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 13:40:58




>>>I've seen a couple of hint files with "good" setups for WC cars but what
>>>bugged me was that the brake balance was set to the REAR!
>>>Puzzling....
>>        Too right!! I've thought long and hard about this, and it just doesn't make sense
>>AT ALL! When the brakes are set to the rear, it's very easy to lose control of the car completely
>>under braking, as you see to lose the back end of the car- just as one would expect with a very
>> forward setting- it looks as though they've just got it the wrong way around. Looks like even a
>>minor (or major) deity such as Geoff Crammond can make mistakes...
>There is no doubt that the car is much more controllable and you can
>brake later with the brakes set to the rear - my brother still believes
>the manual, but he is slowly coming around as I outbrake him more often
>than not :)
>I have known this for almost a year, but not thought it to be a bug - but
>I guess it is not the way it should be.  I ride a motorbike, and all
>heavy braking is done with the front due to wait transfer (the back
>brake is useless when the rear whell is in the air :)

        Yes, I've run my latest race with rear brake balance and it was
amazing how beautifully it braked. Especially while turning. I'd given
that up as a bad idea until now.
        It's GOT to be a BUG! The front brakes do all the work. Many cars
have good strong disk front brakes but piddly drum rear brakes because of
it. Strange that the bug wasn't fixed in either the 1.04 or 1.05 patch though.

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