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by **Brian Walk** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:23:50

I have been playing games online for years (flight, strategy) and have
always prided myself on playing fair and being respectful. I also know
that there are plenty on idiots out there who don't see things the
same way. I'm not losing any sleep over this incident but if someone
is going to call me names I at least want to know what the names refer
to.

I have been a racing fan for years but new to sim racing. I entered a
beginner N4 race the other night. I was running in the middle of the
field and traded places with a gentleman several times. All very clean
passes on both our parts.

Going into turn 3 he got his nose underneath me to take the inside
line, I was going to fast for the line I ended up taking and ended up
in the wall in the middle of the corner. I knew the leaders were close
behind so I held my car at the top of the track ( in the turn) until
they passed so I would not cause a wreck by merging back into the
racing line. I don't believe I did anything wrong ( but if I did
please enlighten me).

The gentleman I referred to earlier wrecked in turn 2 and somehow
blamed me. When I wrecked I watched him pass me inside and head down
the straight without a problem, so I'm not sure how I'm responsible
for his wreck in turn 2 and didn't ask.

He then told me I was a "wall rider" and if I wanted to play "DD" to
go play with the other little kids. I told him I was sorry and again
explained I was new, he replied with profanity. Conversation ended and
I finished the race without further incident.

Like I said, his attitude is nothing I haven't seen before but I'm not
sure what I'm being accused of. I assume "DD" means destruction derby
but whats a "wall rider" ?

I know it's a long post for a simple question but I needed to vent :)

by **Rob Adam** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:38:50

I believe a wall rider is somebody who uses the walls to his advantage.
Sounds to me like you were in the right, and you should just ignore the guy
and move on. (In GPL they are called rail riders, I'm sure all on-line games
have some form of derogatory term for "cheater").

I've never raced anything but GPL online, and I've met my share of idiots,
but most of the time everybody is great - enough so that I can forget about
the occasional jerk.

I've recently joined a GPL league, and my short experience with that has
convinced me that leagues are the way to go. Members tend to think before
they rant, because they "know" each other.

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:58:21

N4 has a problem with it's damage modeling...so that folks can drive
ridiculously
fast and use the walls to turn the car. If you slammed up to the wall and
then kept sliding
around the turn, many racers might 'suspect' you were wall riding. A quick
check of lap
times in a replay would discount this. The fellow you were racing with
probably got
distracted by your crash and so blamed you for his OWN wreck.
From YOUR description, it sounds like you did the best you could...keep
at..perhaps
in a few more races, you'll leave the whiner behind and won't have to worry
about him.
dave henrie

> I believe a wall rider is somebody who uses the walls to his advantage.
> Sounds to me like you were in the right, and you should just ignore the
guy
> and move on. (In GPL they are called rail riders, I'm sure all on-line
games
> have some form of derogatory term for "cheater").

> I've never raced anything but GPL online, and I've met my share of idiots,
> but most of the time everybody is great - enough so that I can forget
about
> the occasional jerk.

> I've recently joined a GPL league, and my short experience with that has
> convinced me that leagues are the way to go. Members tend to think before
> they rant, because they "know" each other.

> > I have been playing games online for years (flight, strategy) and have
> > always prided myself on playing fair and being respectful. I also know
> > that there are plenty on idiots out there who don't see things the
> > same way. I'm not losing any sleep over this incident but if someone
> > is going to call me names I at least want to know what the names refer
> > to.

> > I have been a racing fan for years but new to sim racing. I entered a
> > beginner N4 race the other night. I was running in the middle of the
> > field and traded places with a gentleman several times. All very clean
> > passes on both our parts.

> > Going into turn 3 he got his nose underneath me to take the inside
> > line, I was going to fast for the line I ended up taking and ended up
> > in the wall in the middle of the corner. I knew the leaders were close
> > behind so I held my car at the top of the track ( in the turn) until
> > they passed so I would not cause a wreck by merging back into the
> > racing line. I don't believe I did anything wrong ( but if I did
> > please enlighten me).

> > The gentleman I referred to earlier wrecked in turn 2 and somehow
> > blamed me. When I wrecked I watched him pass me inside and head down
> > the straight without a problem, so I'm not sure how I'm responsible
> > for his wreck in turn 2 and didn't ask.

> > He then told me I was a "wall rider" and if I wanted to play "DD" to
> > go play with the other little kids. I told him I was sorry and again
> > explained I was new, he replied with profanity. Conversation ended and
> > I finished the race without further incident.

> > Like I said, his attitude is nothing I haven't seen before but I'm not
> > sure what I'm being accused of. I assume "DD" means destruction derby
> > but whats a "wall rider" ?

> > I know it's a long post for a simple question but I needed to vent :)

by **jaf** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:50:50

The best incident I can recall happened during a caution. This guy out of
the blue says "I'm outta of here" then drives past everyone and wrecks the
leaders then exits the game.
There was also another incident at Talladega, that was pretty good. I'm in
first, and there are three other cars behind me with two laps to go. The
guy directly behind me bumps the back of my car and spins. He immediately
starts blasting me with profanity, which I ignore since I'm still racing.
Meanwhile the two other cars and myself take the white flag, I get loose out
of two, and the two other cars blow by me in the draft. I know at this
point I just lost the race as they got way ahead of me down the back
straight. However coming out of four I see the guy who spun sitting at the
side of the track. He pulls directly in front of the two leaders and takes
them both out in crash. I drive through the wreck and win the race. Now
the guy is really hot since he realizes he didn't wreck me but he wrecked
the leaders. He proceeds on blasting me with profanity, refuses to check
the replay and then leaves. The other two drivers he wrecked and myself
checked the replay, and it showed he hit me and spun himself out. This
incident is the one that has soured me on online racing, and I haven't done
it in a long time.

by **Eldre** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:55:36

Dude, don't worry about it. It sounds like he either got you confused with
someone else, or just needed a scapegoat to blame for his dumbass crash...

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Eldre** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:55:35

writes:

Names, please. If we know who the idjits are, we can at least avoid them until
they change their handle...

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Phaso** » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:17:44

Don't lose 1 second of sleep over it. Sounds like you were completely in
the right. There's the remote possibility you warped into him - nothing you
can do about it. The guy probably yells at everyone who comes within 10
feet of his car. Almost every N4 public race I've entered has been the
same - 1 or 2 laps and then somebody does something stupid or makes a
mistake or warps, and then everyone starts cursing. I've won races from the
back, even after being wrecked many times, just by going slower, driving
consistent and expecting wrecks and boneheads, keeping your cool and
FINISHING the race. That's racin' online. Join a league if you're looking
for gentlemanly behaviour.

-Phasor

by pw » Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:58:12

Is there somewhere I can learn the ethics, and lingo, of racing -
particularly on-line? There is some brief talk in the manual. I
doubt I can play N4 on-line with my connection, but just in case I
ever get the urge (or nerve!:-), I don't want to knowingly do anything
offensive.

-pw

by **tony.whitle** » Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:09:09

Try www.vroc.net and look for the "driving" page. That also shows you
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~philmak/gplac/rec_driver_beh.htm which also has
some good information. Both are GPL-centric but the advice applies. My
advice - go for it, the adrenaline rush of racing against real people is
much greater than racing your PC.

--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank +8.59
"On some laps I'd get as many as fif*** corners really right, but Moss, he
gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.

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