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>   I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been with
> the ISI titles for a long time.  You may think 40 to 50 is a good
framerate.
> But trust me, it isn't.  If you get the fps up around 80+ then the jitters
> go away.  The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain is
the
> added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is drawn.
So
> as your fps drops the stutters begin.
>         I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics.  If the
> graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the graphics
> with the physics?  ??   ???
> dave henrie

> > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering
> effect;
> > mostly when cornering.
> > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference.
> Tried
> > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes,
> different
> > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on.

> > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render frames
> > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets rid
of
> > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0. I
> > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to 0.

> > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 Ti4200
> > 128MB
> > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the
weather
> is
> > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain"

> > Thanks, Greg

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>   I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been with
> the ISI titles for a long time.  You may think 40 to 50 is a good
framerate.
> But trust me, it isn't.  If you get the fps up around 80+ then the jitters
> go away.  The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain is
the
> added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is drawn.
So
> as your fps drops the stutters begin.
>         I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics.  If the
> graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the graphics
> with the physics?  ??   ???
> dave henrie

> > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering
> effect;
> > mostly when cornering.
> > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference.
> Tried
> > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes,
> different
> > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on.

> > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render frames
> > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets rid
of
> > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0. I
> > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to 0.

> > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 Ti4200
> > 128MB
> > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the
weather
> is
> > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain"

> > Thanks, Greg

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> Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does not
seem
> to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, still
stuttered.
> Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the "frames
> rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings.
> Thanks, Greg

> >   I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been
with
> > the ISI titles for a long time.  You may think 40 to 50 is a good
> framerate.
> > But trust me, it isn't.  If you get the fps up around 80+ then the
jitters
> > go away.  The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain is
> the
> > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is drawn.
> So
> > as your fps drops the stutters begin.
> >         I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics.  If the
> > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the
graphics
> > with the physics?  ??   ???
> > dave henrie

> > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering
> > effect;
> > > mostly when cornering.
> > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference.
> > Tried
> > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes,
> > different
> > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on.

> > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render
frames
> > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets
rid
> of
> > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0.
I
> > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to
0.

> > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4
Ti4200
> > > 128MB
> > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the
> weather
> > is
> > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain"

> > > Thanks, Greg

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> Are you running with AntiAliasing? when I had 4X AA I got bad stutterinmg
> effects at corners, turn this down to 2 all seems OK.

> Andi.

> > Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does not
> seem
> > to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, still
> stuttered.
> > Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the "frames
> > rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings.
> > Thanks, Greg

> > >   I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been
> with
> > > the ISI titles for a long time.  You may think 40 to 50 is a good
> > framerate.
> > > But trust me, it isn't.  If you get the fps up around 80+ then the
> jitters
> > > go away.  The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain
is
> > the
> > > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is
drawn.
> > So
> > > as your fps drops the stutters begin.
> > >         I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics.  If
the
> > > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the
> graphics
> > > with the physics?  ??   ???
> > > dave henrie

> > > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering
> > > effect;
> > > > mostly when cornering.
> > > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no
difference.
> > > Tried
> > > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes,
> > > different
> > > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on.

> > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render
> frames
> > > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets
> rid
> > of
> > > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to
0.
> I
> > > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to
> 0.

> > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4
> Ti4200
> > > > 128MB
> > > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the
> > weather
> > > is
> > > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain"

> > > > Thanks, Greg

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> Yes, I have it at 2X antialising. Tried it with it off or on and all the
> different antialising settings. No change :--((

> Maybe it is the 128MB card ?

> > Are you running with AntiAliasing? when I had 4X AA I got bad
stutterinmg
> > effects at corners, turn this down to 2 all seems OK.

> > Andi.

> > > Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does not
> > seem
> > > to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, still
> > stuttered.
> > > Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the
"frames
> > > rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings.
> > > Thanks, Greg

> > > >   I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been
> > with
> > > > the ISI titles for a long time.  You may think 40 to 50 is a good
> > > framerate.
> > > > But trust me, it isn't.  If you get the fps up around 80+ then the
> > jitters
> > > > go away.  The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain
> is
> > > the
> > > > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is
> drawn.
> > > So
> > > > as your fps drops the stutters begin.
> > > >         I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics.  If
> the
> > > > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the
> > graphics
> > > > with the physics?  ??   ???
> > > > dave henrie

> > > > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this
stuttering
> > > > effect;
> > > > > mostly when cornering.
> > > > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no
> difference.
> > > > Tried
> > > > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes,
> > > > different
> > > > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on.

> > > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render
> > frames
> > > > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely
gets
> > rid
> > > of
> > > > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to
> 0.
> > I
> > > > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set
to
> > 0.

> > > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4
> > Ti4200
> > > > > 128MB
> > > > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the
> > > weather
> > > > is
> > > > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the
rain"

> > > > > Thanks, Greg

> > > > ---
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> > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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> I'm using a 128MB GF4 and it's OK. Have you got your BIOS settings right,
> have you loaded any motherboard .inf files or any special hardware
drivers?

> Andi.

> > Yes, I have it at 2X antialising. Tried it with it off or on and all the
> > different antialising settings. No change :--((

> > Maybe it is the 128MB card ?

> > > Are you running with AntiAliasing? when I had 4X AA I got bad
> stutterinmg
> > > effects at corners, turn this down to 2 all seems OK.

> > > Andi.

> > > > Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does
not
> > > seem
> > > > to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, still
> > > stuttered.
> > > > Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the
> "frames
> > > > rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings.
> > > > Thanks, Greg

> > > > >   I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have
been
> > > with
> > > > > the ISI titles for a long time.  You may think 40 to 50 is a good
> > > > framerate.
> > > > > But trust me, it isn't.  If you get the fps up around 80+ then the
> > > jitters
> > > > > go away.  The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the
rain
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is
> > drawn.
> > > > So
> > > > > as your fps drops the stutters begin.
> > > > >         I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics.
If
> > the
> > > > > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the
> > > graphics
> > > > > with the physics?  ??   ???
> > > > > dave henrie

> > > > > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this
> stuttering
> > > > > effect;
> > > > > > mostly when cornering.
> > > > > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no
> > difference.
> > > > > Tried
> > > > > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast
writes,
> > > > > different
> > > > > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so
on.

> > > > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the
"render
> > > frames
> > > > > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely
> gets
> > > rid
> > > > of
> > > > > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set
to
> > 0.
> > > I
> > > > > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it
set
> to
> > > 0.

> > > > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM,
GF4
> > > Ti4200
> > > > > > 128MB
> > > > > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when
the
> > > > weather
> > > > > is
> > > > > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the
> rain"

> > > > > > Thanks, Greg

> > > > > ---
> > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > > > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02