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clutch needed

Gunnar Horrigm

clutch needed

by Gunnar Horrigm » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

are there any wheel/pedal-combos out there with a clutch-pedal in
addition to the usual throttle and brake?

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Scott B. Huste

clutch needed

by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Yes.   TSW has a clutch pedal.   The TSW2 modified comes standard with
the clutch for $350.00 I believe.   Great buy.

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Gunnar Horrigm

clutch needed

by Gunnar Horrigm » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00


TSW is an acronym I'm not familiar with.  does TSW have a website?

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Scott B. Huste

clutch needed

by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Im sorry <G>

http://www.thomas-superwheel.com

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Nigel Nichol

clutch needed

by Nigel Nichol » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>are there any wheel/pedal-combos out there with a clutch-pedal in
>addition to the usual throttle and brake?

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Hello Gunnar

I build steering/pedal units which has a analog clutch as
standard. Check out at

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/9045/

Remember prices are in New Zealand dollars.
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Nigel of Lakewood Motorsports
Hamilton
New Zealand

AndyCer

clutch needed

by AndyCer » Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Gunnar,

ECCI also offers a clutch pedal as a modular add on component to the
standard CDS4000 product. This is because in sim-racing the clutch is
not very useful... it only has a beneficial effect at race starts. Lap
times are better if you use a 'semi-automatic' shift approach (as in F1)
during the rest of the race. ECCI offers high quality paddle shif
maechanisms for this reason.

Andy Cers
ECCI
http://www.ecci.net


> are there any wheel/pedal-combos out there with a clutch-pedal in
> addition to the usual throttle and brake?

> --
> Gunnar
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Michael Barlo

clutch needed

by Michael Barlo » Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:00:00


> Gunnar,

> ECCI also offers a clutch pedal as a modular add on component to the
> standard CDS4000 product. This is because in sim-racing the clutch is
> not very useful... it only has a beneficial effect at race starts. Lap
> times are better if you use a 'semi-automatic' shift approach (as in F1)
> during the rest of the race. ECCI offers high quality paddle shif
> maechanisms for this reason.

        Another use for the clutch (GPL) is when your spun and coasting in
reverse, if you floor the gas, you wont get anything till after you have
stopped, BUT, if you throw the clutch in you can rev the engine and spin
the wheels to help control the spin.

        Someone mentioned that GPL can use the clutch but it's either "on or
off" like a button and you can't slip the clutch.   I don't know where
he got his info but I can floor it in forth gear at a standing start and
modulate the RPMs with the clutch to pick up speed. another words, It is
"analog", not "just on or off".

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Nigel Nichol

clutch needed

by Nigel Nichol » Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Agreed. The clutch in GPL is not "on" "off". I too can "spin"
the clutch and modulate the RPM in this manner, but, bare in
mind we are dealing with a racing strength clutch in GPL and
therefore it is harsher than a family sedan street car.
A clutch in GPL is useful for starting starts and skid
control. During the actual race I don't use it.

In Viper Racing with the clutch set to manual the gears won't
shift unless the clutch has been pushed in.

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Neil Rain

clutch needed

by Neil Rain » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00


> x-no-archive: yes

> IMO a clutch is a waste of time in a sim. It's only potential use is at the
> start, but because it has no feedback, you can't feel the bite point.

True, but it definitely does speed up the starts, particularly in some
cars which don't have enough torque at low revs.

If you just shunt it into first gear when the flag drops, with most cars
the revs drop to almost nothing and you then have to wait for it to pick
up speed again.

With an analogue clutch, you floor the throttle and half-release the
clutch, and the engine revs stay high, giving you much more power away
from the line.

The hard part is then to release the clutch in just the right way to
keep the power down but without the wheels spinning.

If you get it right it really does work - in one online race at Kyalami
I started on the second row and squeezed right between the two front row
cars to take the lead!


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