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Ed Bain, What about your TSW Wheel

pqt2

Ed Bain, What about your TSW Wheel

by pqt2 » Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:00:00

  A while back you said you were getting aTSW wheel.  Let's here about
it!
Whats your opinion(pros &cons) on it v.s. your other wheels(I'm starting
to think about what Santa can bring me)?  Paul
Ed Ba

Ed Bain, What about your TSW Wheel

by Ed Ba » Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:29:09 GMT,


It is INCREDIBLE! I don't know exactly how to describe the feel
of it, but I will try. I have had several wheels in the past. T1, T2
and Force RS, are the most recent. Compared to those wheels,
the steering is -very- precise. I can make very minute corrections
and the sim will respond properly. There is absolutely no slop in
the mechanism. That being said, it has a -slight- bit of movement
at the center of travel before the springs come into play. That
makes  it very easy to make minor corrections without fighting
the spring force. It's not like a dead-zone, since the pots will
be moved when you move the wheel. It is like a tiny correction
zone, if you catch what I'm saying. My lap times dropped in
several sims after getting the TSW.

What I have just told you about the precision of it, is it's strongest
point,other than being built like a tank.. :) I drove GPL with my
Force RS when 1.1 was released and it was very cool, but somehow
I missed the solid, positive feeling I got with the TSW, so the
Force RS is  back under my bed, for now.. :). Also, the pedals and
the shifters are of the same high quality. With the pedals, you
also can make tiny movements and have the car respond. Also, the
pedals work fine with the Force RS, so you can have great FF
and great pedals, in GPL!

My TSW has dual-axis,  a (perfectly positioned) side shifter,
paddle shifters and a suede covered kart racing wheel.  
The paddle shifters are nearly identical to the images of
real F1 wheels that you can see at this site:

http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/gallery.htm

Specifically, the paddle shifters are are steel and are darn
close to the ones you can make out on this Sauber wheel:

http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/images/sauber.jpg

My wheel is blue-suede and is very similar to this wheel from a
Williams Renault Touring Car:

http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/images/willren.jpg

The side-shifter is so nice and well-positioned though, I have not
used the paddle shifters since I got the wheel..

If I could only change one thing about it, it would be that I wish
it had some buttons. You only have the normal shifters, with no
extra buttons unless you buy the add-on 'button kit'.

I would say, in a nutshell, it has a very tight, high precision feel
to it, and I'm glad I bought it. If you were here, I would let you try
it out!

--
* rrevved at mindspring dot com
* unit.26 - s.p.u.t.u.m.
* http://www.cabal.net
* http://www.sputum.com

pqt2

Ed Bain, What about your TSW Wheel

by pqt2 » Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Thanks Ed, your observations are appreciated.  Paul

> On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:29:09 GMT,


> >  A while back you said you were getting aTSW wheel.  Let's here about
> >it!
> >Whats your opinion(pros &cons) on it v.s. your other wheels(I'm starting
> >to think about what Santa can bring me)?  Paul

> It is INCREDIBLE! I don't know exactly how to describe the feel
> of it, but I will try. I have had several wheels in the past. T1, T2
> and Force RS, are the most recent. Compared to those wheels,
> the steering is -very- precise. I can make very minute corrections
> and the sim will respond properly. There is absolutely no slop in
> the mechanism. That being said, it has a -slight- bit of movement
> at the center of travel before the springs come into play. That
> makes  it very easy to make minor corrections without fighting
> the spring force. It's not like a dead-zone, since the pots will
> be moved when you move the wheel. It is like a tiny correction
> zone, if you catch what I'm saying. My lap times dropped in
> several sims after getting the TSW.

> What I have just told you about the precision of it, is it's strongest
> point,other than being built like a tank.. :) I drove GPL with my
> Force RS when 1.1 was released and it was very cool, but somehow
> I missed the solid, positive feeling I got with the TSW, so the
> Force RS is  back under my bed, for now.. :). Also, the pedals and
> the shifters are of the same high quality. With the pedals, you
> also can make tiny movements and have the car respond. Also, the
> pedals work fine with the Force RS, so you can have great FF
> and great pedals, in GPL!

> My TSW has dual-axis,  a (perfectly positioned) side shifter,
> paddle shifters and a suede covered kart racing wheel.
> The paddle shifters are nearly identical to the images of
> real F1 wheels that you can see at this site:

> http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/gallery.htm

> Specifically, the paddle shifters are are steel and are darn
> close to the ones you can make out on this Sauber wheel:

> http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/images/sauber.jpg

> My wheel is blue-suede and is very similar to this wheel from a
> Williams Renault Touring Car:

> http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/images/willren.jpg

> The side-shifter is so nice and well-positioned though, I have not
> used the paddle shifters since I got the wheel..

> If I could only change one thing about it, it would be that I wish
> it had some buttons. You only have the normal shifters, with no
> extra buttons unless you buy the add-on 'button kit'.

> I would say, in a nutshell, it has a very tight, high precision feel
> to it, and I'm glad I bought it. If you were here, I would let you try
> it out!

> --
> * rrevved at mindspring dot com
> * unit.26 - s.p.u.t.u.m.
> * http://www.cabal.net
> * http://www.sputum.com

Markus Stiepe

Ed Bain, What about your TSW Wheel

by Markus Stiepe » Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:00:00



<snip>

Agreed with all you describe except: I didn't improve *any* laptime, I just
drive a lot smoother and safe since owning my TSW. Here, a MSFF is
collecting dust :)
I got the Sport-version and I included a button-kit, useful for clutch or
look-left/look-right......Ed, would you know whether it's possible to
program these buttons? I would like F10 on my left button, while I already
have the cluch on the right one.
cya
Markus

Ed Ba

Ed Bain, What about your TSW Wheel

by Ed Ba » Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:58:54 +0200,




><snip>
>> My lap times dropped in
>> several sims after getting the TSW.
><snip>
>> If I could only change one thing about it, it would be that I wish
>> it had some buttons. You only have the normal shifters, with no
>> extra buttons unless you buy the add-on 'button kit'.

>Agreed with all you describe except: I didn't improve *any* laptime, I just
>drive a lot smoother and safe since owning my TSW. Here, a MSFF is
>collecting dust :)
>I got the Sport-version and I included a button-kit, useful for clutch or
>look-left/look-right......Ed, would you know whether it's possible to
>program these buttons? I would like F10 on my left button, while I already
>have the cluch on the right one.
>cya
>Markus

Markus, theres no way to program the buttons on the TSW
through normal means. My guess is that you can use one
of the joystick button utilities that are available on some
sites. They will allow you to link a keyboard command to
a joystick button press. I don't have a link to any of them,
but I bet with some searching you could find one that will work.
Trevor at TSW may even know of a utility.
--
* rrevved at mindspring dot com
* unit.26 - s.p.u.t.u.m.
* http://www.cabal.net
* http://www.sputum.com
BJenk659

Ed Bain, What about your TSW Wheel

by BJenk659 » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hey guys I just bought an SRC wheel this weekend and all I can say is it is the
best wheel out there! Our league from TEN just had its 2nd annual get together
in Darlington N.C. I flew 3000 miles to attend this event with over 20 other
drivers. We had the chance to test the SRC side by side (so to speak) with an
ECCI CDS 5000 system. The SRC is by far a better racing controller! some of the
other guys have TSW systems, and the agree that the SRC is better. It has dual
/single swith for all games, computer laser cut parts, all stainless and
aluminum construction. Many options including a clutch pedal! The pedals are
swing down models like the real cars and are adjustable up and down front to
back.
Check it out before you make your final decision.
http://www.mindspring.com/~srcwheel
Bruce

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