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by **Phanto** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:16:30

I've done several races on Sierra, but although my lpi is well over 100, I
can't seem to achieve any kind of rating. How does one climb the ranks?

Brian

by **Uncle Feste** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:29:18

> I've done several races on Sierra, but although my lpi is well over 100, I
> can't seem to achieve any kind of rating. How does one climb the ranks?

> Brian

RTFM. Pages 54-56. :-)

--

Fester

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has
is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough
criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime
that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

--Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:44:32

The points come from finishing ahead of those who outqualified you. So
for the quickest climb up the ratings ladder, don't qualify well, every
driver you pass by the finish will add to your points and thats how you will
increase your ranking. This isn't the normal winston cup finishing points,
the rating system is entirely separate.
I think, this is a weakness of the system, it rewards either poor
qualifiers or those who deliberately sandband during qualifying....It needs
another layer of calculations that add some sort of bonus for high
qualifying.
dave henrie

by **Phanto** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:53:14

You're right - will do.

Brian

> > I've done several races on Sierra, but although my lpi is well over 100,
I
> > can't seem to achieve any kind of rating. How does one climb the ranks?

> > Brian

> RTFM. Pages 54-56. :-)

> --

> Fester

> "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has
> is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough
> criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime
> that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

> --Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

by **Phanto** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:55:59

Hmm...Interesting. I just want to rank high enough to race serious people,
as opposed to the nut job wreckers out there. I guess I'll have to hold back
a bit during Q.

I sure hope they change that. I was wondering why so many drivers seemed to
qualify so badly.

Brian

> The points come from finishing ahead of those who outqualified you. So
> for the quickest climb up the ratings ladder, don't qualify well, every
> driver you pass by the finish will add to your points and thats how you
will
> increase your ranking. This isn't the normal winston cup finishing
points,
> the rating system is entirely separate.
> I think, this is a weakness of the system, it rewards either poor
> qualifiers or those who deliberately sandband during qualifying....It
needs
> another layer of calculations that add some sort of bonus for high
> qualifying.
> dave henrie

> > I've done several races on Sierra, but although my lpi is well over 100,
I
> > can't seem to achieve any kind of rating. How does one climb the ranks?

> > Brian

by **Cliff Roma** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:01:03

Dave, you do not get points based on where you qualified.

The points are based finishing ahead and behind people that are ranked
higher or lower than you.

So if you are rank 1 and you race and finish ahead of people that are ranked
2 and 3, then you gain more points than if you finished ahead of people
ranked 1 or 0

However, you lose more points for finishing behind someone ranked lower than
you than if they were the same or higher rank than you.

> The points come from finishing ahead of those who outqualified you. So
> for the quickest climb up the ratings ladder, don't qualify well, every
> driver you pass by the finish will add to your points and thats how you
will
> increase your ranking. This isn't the normal winston cup finishing
points,
> the rating system is entirely separate.
> I think, this is a weakness of the system, it rewards either poor
> qualifiers or those who deliberately sandband during qualifying....It
needs
> another layer of calculations that add some sort of bonus for high
> qualifying.
> dave henrie

> > I've done several races on Sierra, but although my lpi is well over 100,
I
> > can't seem to achieve any kind of rating. How does one climb the ranks?

> > Brian

by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:05:46

Thats wrong because the pole position man would never get any points.

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---------------
Steve Levett

> The points come from finishing ahead of those who outqualified you. So
> for the quickest climb up the ratings ladder, don't qualify well, every
> driver you pass by the finish will add to your points and thats how you
will
> increase your ranking. This isn't the normal winston cup finishing
points,
> the rating system is entirely separate.
> I think, this is a weakness of the system, it rewards either poor
> qualifiers or those who deliberately sandband during qualifying....It
needs
> another layer of calculations that add some sort of bonus for high
> qualifying.
> dave henrie

> > I've done several races on Sierra, but although my lpi is well over 100,
I
> > can't seem to achieve any kind of rating. How does one climb the ranks?

> > Brian

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:06:25

ok thanks for the clarification.
dh

by **Eric Busc** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:12:03

That's not true, qualifying positions are not factored into the ratings
at all. You can start on the pole or at the back of the field and the
only thing that matters is where you finish the race compared to the
drivers around you. As would be expected, finishing ahead of drivers of
equal or higher skill levels is always good, while finishing behind
drivers of lower skill levels is not. If people want to sandbag in
qualifying because they think it will help there ratings that's one less
person you need to worry about passing... =)

- Eric

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:34:22

yup I blew it....Cliff has the proper method...my mistake.
dave henrie

by **Eldre** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:44:27

writes:

And, people who are just slow will NEVER gain points, even if they're clean
drivers... :(

Eldred
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by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:59:13

Hi Eric,

has Papy thought about mods to the rating system, and is it technically
possible at all?

My wish would be, to make the lpi a more integral part of the system.

Currently the lpi is a matter of honour, but it only has a very subtle
effect on the ranking. And this is unrealistic.

In reality, avoiding accidents is one of the main achievements of a good
race driver. In the Sierra.com rating system, this is not reflected - you
can get high ratings with abominably low lpi's simply because most other
drivers crash a lot, too. Or because it takes the drivers you crashed out
just as long as yourself to get back onto the track, or even longer. I don't
know why, but it's true.

The lpi also doesn't affect your admission to races, which is a pity as a
formula like

' Rating + (lpi > x)' or
'(no of laps run in total) + (lpi > x)', or even
'Rating + (no of laps run in total) + (lpi > x)'

would show a more accurate picture of a driver than the current ranking.
Where the '+' sign only indicates the inclusion of another element or aspect
into the overall 'proficiency' figure of the driver, not the mathematical
process of adding something up.

This would allow the host to select more clearly which type of driver he
wants in his race, and it would also - more important - create a serious
incentive for everybody to race cleanly and focus on arriving rather than
battling for position far beyond their actual capabilities.

What is your opinion on this?

I'd also suggest some form of 'blue flag reminder' mechanism for lapped cars
in online racing, at least on RC's and ST's.

Maybe like if a car that's about to lap you has been behind you at a
distance within 0.3s a certain number of times when crossing the s/f line
(the actual gap would have to be determined) or has been behind you for a
few laps following you also at a certain distance, you'll get a blue flag
announced by the spotter with a request to let that car pass (like: 'better
let that guy pass, he seems to be much faster than you...').

Or, if a car that's about to lap you is closely behind you at certain
checkpoints of the track, you get a blue flag, and if you'ce received the
blue flag a certain number of times, you get that above message from the
spotter.

It would not only be realistic (I am convinced such communication takes
place between driver and crew chief in reality as well), it would also help
the less experienced drivers to make realistic decisions in online racing.

What do you think?

Achim

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