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First impressions

ake..

First impressions

by ake.. » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

  I just got a Logitech formula force with the demo Ubi soft F1 game.I
also bought SCGT. And I had the demo NFS ,which came with V3

 So far,to me,the NFS seems the most realistic and the most fun.
 The graphics seem superior and the car feels more natural. I'm
I missing something or is this game just easier to get acclimated to
 for a beginner.

 Another thing,What's the best modern day F1 game and is there
 a n improvement with NFS4?

 Thanks
Tony

Neil Rain

First impressions

by Neil Rain » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>   I just got a Logitech formula force with the demo Ubi soft F1 game.I
> also bought SCGT. And I had the demo NFS ,which came with V3

>  So far,to me,the NFS seems the most realistic and the most fun.
>  The graphics seem superior and the car feels more natural. I'm
> I missing something or is this game just easier to get acclimated to
>  for a beginner.

Wow!

I tried NFS3, and it was kind of fun with all the police radio stuff and
so on, but the handling of the car was absolutely disgusting!

I don't know what it reminded me of, but it certainly wasn't driving a
car.

ake..

First impressions

by ake.. » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00




>>   I just got a Logitech formula force with the demo Ubi soft F1 game.I
>> also bought SCGT. And I had the demo NFS ,which came with V3

>>  So far,to me,the NFS seems the most realistic and the most fun.
>>  The graphics seem superior and the car feels more natural. I'm
>> I missing something or is this game just easier to get acclimated to
>>  for a beginner.

>Wow!

>I tried NFS3, and it was kind of fun with all the police radio stuff and
>so on, but the handling of the car was absolutely disgusting!

>I don't know what it reminded me of, but it certainly wasn't driving a
>car.

 That's interesting.Which game do you you like?
 Tony
Ed Ba

First impressions

by Ed Ba » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:46:20 GMT,


Grand Prix Legends, if you want realism...

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First impressions

by Greg Cisk » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:46:20 GMT,


>> That's interesting.Which game do you you like?

>Grand Prix Legends, if you want realism...

I have to agree :-) But as far as modern F1 games, I still
like F1RS. It isn't as tough as MGPRS2 and *WAY* better
than GP2. If he wants total arcade, then Official F1 is
probably OK.

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Dan Belch

First impressions

by Dan Belch » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hehehe.  So when is this recently talked about Egg Racing sim going to be
coming out?  What kind of system requirements will it have?  Will it feature
force feedback?  :)

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited

Zoll

First impressions

by Zoll » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00

It reminds me of driving boiled eggs, though I never did! :>)))

EricZieg

First impressions

by EricZieg » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>So when is this recently talked about Egg Racing sim going to be
>coming out?  What kind of system requirements will it have?

Definitely a "yolk" steering device. And I hear the cars will burn Shell fuel.

Eric Ziegler

rick.jo..

First impressions

by rick.jo.. » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>  I just got a Logitech formula force with the demo Ubi soft F1 game.I
>also bought SCGT. And I had the demo NFS ,which came with V3

> So far,to me,the NFS seems the most realistic and the most fun.
> The graphics seem superior and the car feels more natural. I'm
>I missing something or is this game just easier to get acclimated to
> for a beginner.

> Another thing,What's the best modern day F1 game and is there
> a n improvement with NFS4?

> Thanks
>Tony

Take NFS3. Add the following:
9 more tracks.
More cars with VISUAL damage modeling.
Better special effects for vehicle(flames!), fog, etc.
Career mode: Each Cup has 2 or more Circuits. Each Circuit has 2 or more tracks. Individual requirements to enter Circuits. Win
money to buy/upgrade cars.
Pursuit improvements: Wingmen, helicopter to assist. Roadblock. Total elude time mode. more stuff.
AI seems to be improved.

If you already own NFS3, you might hesitate to buy, but if you don't own it, buy this one.

Jo

First impressions

by Jo » Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>AI seems to be improved.

At first I thought so too, now I'm not so sure. I went back to try NFS
HS after being away from it for a few weeks, and found their kami-kazi
blocking manuevers infuriating.

Furthermore, I'm convinced the AI actually cheats - swerving when you
turn your wheel, not the half second later when your car actually
veers. The easiest and most effective way to pass in HS is to FAKE a
swerve, and go right on through when the AI cheat kicks in. Pretty
lame.

Also, as I mentioned in my review, the actual driving capability of
the AI drivers is atrocious. This really becomes obvious on the old
NFS 3 tracks, which aren't as artificially narrow and winding as the
HS tracks. The AI drivers can't stay within a mile of you.

As in most EA games, the graphics are its strongest point - and the AI
is its weakest.

Joe McGinn
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Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network
http://www.racesimcentral.net/***.com/
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rick.jo..

First impressions

by rick.jo.. » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00



>>AI seems to be improved.

>At first I thought so too, now I'm not so sure. I went back to try NFS
>HS after being away from it for a few weeks, and found their kami-kazi
>blocking manuevers infuriating.

>Furthermore, I'm convinced the AI actually cheats - swerving when you
>turn your wheel, not the half second later when your car actually
>veers. The easiest and most effective way to pass in HS is to FAKE a
>swerve, and go right on through when the AI cheat kicks in. Pretty
>lame.

>Also, as I mentioned in my review, the actual driving capability of
>the AI drivers is atrocious. This really becomes obvious on the old
>NFS 3 tracks, which aren't as artificially narrow and winding as the
>HS tracks. The AI drivers can't stay within a mile of you.

>As in most EA games, the graphics are its strongest point - and the AI
>is its weakest.

I may have been hasty with 'improved'.
Now that you mention it, that would explain why in the new tracks,
I can only hold a 5 second lead, while on the old tracks I can get about 45 second lead in 4 laps.
I have noticed the blocking thing, but they also will bump me into a spin too (like the cops do).
Have you noticed the Chev Cup tougher than elsewhere? I just can't get a line on these guys.

On a side note, have you ever had steering and brakes just die on a sharp corner, then work again later?
Happens a lot to me in Landstrasse and Snowy Peak. Now I know what Mark Martin says :)

Rick

Jo

First impressions

by Jo » Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>I may have been hasty with 'improved'.
>Now that you mention it, that would explain why in the new tracks,
>I can only hold a 5 second lead, while on the old tracks I can get about 45 second lead in 4 laps.
>I have noticed the blocking thing, but they also will bump me into a spin too (like the cops do).
>Have you noticed the Chev Cup tougher than elsewhere? I just can't get a line on these guys.

The other annoying thing is that the AI cars don't obey even the
hopelessly simplified physics model that you have to (see the digital
sports page review for a good explanation of this flaw).

Yeah, the whole driving model is full of "canned" effects like that.
Collisions are another one, not even remotely realistic (again, done
to make the game more difficult for you to compensate for the poor
AI/driving skill of computer opponents).

It's not unlike the extensive cheating methods used to make NHL 99
difficult. I'm sure there's a plaque above every EA Sports cubicle:
"If you can't win honestly, CHEAT!"

This attitude continues to limit the quality and replayability of
almost every EA Sports game (FIFA being the one exeception to the
rule). Cheating-tricks like these should be absolutely forbidden to
AI/computer opponent programmers, ESPECIALLY in sports games.

Joe McGinn
==========================================
Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network
http://www.racesimcentral.net/***.com/
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