rec.autos.simulators

> For the track cam files or the car cam files?

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> You could always take the gplcarcam editor, it worked for N4 so it should
> work for NR2002.  For the tracks there is an utility called TrkCAMEdit for
> GPL that works for N4.  It should also work for NR2002, the file structure
> hasn't changed no?

> > so I want to change the driving FOV to match the area of the sim
> > car windshield with that of a full dimension***pit...

> Well, you'll loose the "3d***pit" simulation.  You see, whenever you
> change the view to a non-cockpit view, either in GPL, N4 or NR2002 your
> camera gets bolted on the chassis.  Therefore, it won't shake, or move as
if
> it was your head moving forward/backwards, leaning into the corners and
> tilting around.  The***pit view in GPL/N4/NR2002 actually lives in it's
> own world.  It's like back-projected (in cinematic terms) into the 3d
world
> but itself works as a 3d object.

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> Thanks for the info......very good stuff.  I had found GPLCarCam since my
> last post....and it is working great to do what I need.  I'm going to pick
> up "TrkCamEdit" just to have it for the track cams (I'm assuming those are
> in the "make_b.cam" and the "make_c.cam" files.....sine "make_a.cam" is
the
> driving views.  But, perhaps each track has its own track.cam as well?  I
> haven't checked....so just guessing here.

> I was also aware of the loss of the "3D"***pit when switching to the
> alternate driving views.  However, I think its a small price to pay for
> having the correct driving FOV for the application I'm using it for (the
> plasma screen windshield/cockpit).  Once you have virtually only the edge
of
> the dash cover...and a small part of the left-side windscreen support
> actually "on screen".....then their movements would either be ignored by
you
> the driver (your eyes are focused out of the car and down track a
> considerable distance....as they would be in a real race car) or possibly
> even distracting.  I'm not sure of this....since I can't test it without
> being able to change the 3D***pit FOV.

> A side benefit of this alternate driving cam work.....is that I can
confirm
> that the Papy FOV in the 3D***pit is virtually spot on (can confirm to
the
> smallest increment of two centimeters or so....or about an inch).  How I
was
> able to do this is the following:

> 1.  I first moved the alt-view camera to the position of the driver's
> head....forehead-center eye area (this is where the "fudge factor" comes
> in....there was no way to precisely determine this....but I got it within
an
> inch or so....I'm sure of that).  When I managed to do this....I can
confirm
> the FOV from this cam was nearly identical to the FOV of the 3D***pit.

> 2.  I used a view angle of 100 degrees......not exactly the same as my
human
> primary peripheral vision field....but close enough (with a closed-faced
> helmet on).  The internal dimensions of my***pit is nearly identical to
a
> WC car (setting aside individual adjustments of seat and wheel position
for
> individual drivers).  I patterned it after measurements taken from
Labonte's
> 2001 WC car....and a GTA race car I had daily access to at our race shop
at
> Sears.  Taking about 15 different "reference points" from the steering
wheel
> center.....my***pit is within a 1/2 inch at all 15 points.  That's close
> enough for my purposes.

> 3.  Starting from the camera position determined in #1 above......I first
> measured the distance from my forehead to the point of six inches back
from
> the windscreen on the sim***pit - a distance of about 28 inches (that is
> what I first estimated the position to be where I wanted the FOV on screen
> to be....it was a guess at first....but turned out to be correct...got
> lucky).  I then incrementally moved the camera forward.....and when I
> reached a forward position equivalent to the same measurement taken in the
> sim***pit.....the FOV of the camera view was perfect (or as perfect as I
> desired it to be).  I had moved the camera forward 0.72 meters....which is
> about 28 inches.

> I don't know if Papyrus set the 3D***pit FOV this scientifically.....but
> however they did it.....it is nearly perfect in my book!  I know there has
> been some discussion about this from time to time here on r.a.s.  Through
> the methods described, I'm confident that Papyrus***pit FOV is correct.

> Thanks for the info on the cams, Frank.......

> Regards,

> Tom Pabst

> > > Well, what I would like is the***pit cam......but I don't ever
recall
> > > seeing one for N2K2...or any previous version of Papy's NASCAR sims.

> > You could always take the gplcarcam editor, it worked for N4 so it
should
> > work for NR2002.  For the tracks there is an utility called TrkCAMEdit
for
> > GPL that works for N4.  It should also work for NR2002, the file
structure
> > hasn't changed no?

> > > so I want to change the driving FOV to match the area of the sim
> > > car windshield with that of a full dimension***pit...

> > Well, you'll loose the "3d***pit" simulation.  You see, whenever you
> > change the view to a non-cockpit view, either in GPL, N4 or NR2002 your
> > camera gets bolted on the chassis.  Therefore, it won't shake, or move
as
> if
> > it was your head moving forward/backwards, leaning into the corners and
> > tilting around.  The***pit view in GPL/N4/NR2002 actually lives in
it's
> > own world.  It's like back-projected (in cinematic terms) into the 3d
> world
> > but itself works as a 3d object.

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> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...