rec.autos.simulators

by **Don Wils** » Sun, 26 Nov 1995 04:00:00

To the viewer of the REC.AUTOS.SIMULATORS

Recently after we had sent out messages I received this message
from a very upset FINN... He has lots of things to say about my
IVGA and its software. As some of you know I am also the owner
of the PROWHEEL. The best steering wheel system on the market.

I believe very strongly in our product that I have developed and
offer a CHALLENGE to Mr. THUD. I am going to E-MAIL him a copy
of our FASTLAP program and if he breaks it and can send me a results
back that we cannot detect as invalid, than I will give MR> THUD
gladly a brand new 1996 PROWHEEL. This is a $250.00 value so lets
see if MR. THUD can use his brain and hack our software..

Sincerely,

Donald R. Wilshe II
CEO/PRESIDENT - IVGA/PROWHEEL

>Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 04:27:10 +0200 (EET)

>Subject: IVGA Issues

>The opinions expressed in the following message are my own, and do
>not reflect the opinions of any other individuals involved in the
>various racing series' that are mentioned. Some inferences from
>discussed issues and expressed opinions are reflected in some
>statements.

>Don,

>It is interesting to read your stuff on various mailing lists and
>newsgroups. In fact, IVGA is popping up everywhere. I don't understand
>how you, as an outsider, can suddenly appear out of nowhere and
>in effect 'challenge' the validity of every online racing series on
>the net with statements like "defend the HONOR of IICC". Most
>dedicated online racers (I count myself as one of them), spend endless
>hours testing and practicing at various tracks. If you run 20+ hours
>at Laguna Seca for instance, I bet you'll have a pretty good idea
>of what the limits of the sim are. The same applies to every other
>track in INDYCAR or NASCAR. IICC for instance, just had its first
>anniversary, and IWCC is in it's 3rd season. Those of us that have
>been around from the very beginning of IICC know the other drivers
>and what they are capable of. If there is ever any doubt about
>results or record-breaking laps, we have more than enough experienced
>drivers to evaluate the validity of any results that are questionable.
>There is no way you can create a 100% cheat-proof series, and your
>programs and patches won't eliminate those talented hackers that are
>out there. Those who want to win by cheating aren't in it for the
>'sport', and it has been documented that these people soon tire
>and lose interest anyway. There is no need for a 'governing' body
>of the kind you are trying to establish yourself as. We do not
>need an FIA or CART to watch our backs. If there is ever any doubt
>about any records or results, just ask for a replay... IICC is
>_the_ toughest and fastest racing series on the net, and we don't
>have to prove ourselves to any outsiders who suspect our speeds.
>Believe me, there have been numerous critics on rec.autos.simulators
>over the past year that have categorized our results as 'impossible'.
>If everyone practiced as much as we do, they'd find those speeds
>very 'possible'... Unless you've conducted serious inside testing
>and know the exact limits of the software, you have no business
>insulting us with your ignorant statements.

>Happy Thanksgiving!

>Sincerely,

>Riku Reimaa

>IICC1 Lites - RIX Racing
>IICC2 - Thunder Racing International
>IWCC3 - Flying Finns Motorsports

>P.S. The FFM web pages contain most of our team's qualifying replays for
> the IWCC3 season. Anyone who wants to study them can do so.

> a list of all the Internet records, and the IICC web site
> has replays of apprx 90% of them available. In case anyone
> has any doubts...

>_________________________________________________________________________

> _/\_ University of Helsinki
> ________/_\/_\________ Physics/Computer Science
> NIGHTSTALKERS 37th TFW Web: http://www.racesimcentral.net/~reimaa/

>IWCC 3: #73 Finlandia - Ford Internet IndyCar Challenge II:
> Flying Finns Motorsports Thunder Racing International #73
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by **Jeff ha** » Mon, 27 Nov 1995 04:00:00

Don,

This whole thing of yours is really pompous. The racing series that I have
run with IICC, ICRA, ICRS have had no such vanity. At first I thought you
had a good idea but when I saw that you had a list of corporate officers,
etc, I laughed out loud! By the way, contrary to your opinion, I love my
TSW.

Sincerely,

Jeff Haas

by **Darrel David Cher** » Mon, 27 Nov 1995 04:00:00

: I believe very strongly in our product that I have developed and
: offer a CHALLENGE to Mr. THUD. I am going to E-MAIL him a copy

You have COMPLETELY missed Riku's point. The fact that software
isn't 100% crack proof was obviously a side note.

The point is how incredibly insolent your insinuations are that anyone
who doesn't use your software is a cheater, and any records they set are
not to be believed since they didn't use your watchdog software.

You've essentially came onto the net accusing the fastest veteran racers
of being a bunch of cheaters and liars if we don't use your software.
All the IICC'ers put in tons of hours and we all love intense competition.
Many rookies who came in and enjoyed the extreme competition have
developed their racing skill enormously, which has made for more
diverse and competitive racing.

The idea that those of us in the IICC cheat is pure stupidity. Yeah, we
all compete fiercly on who can hack up the best lap...give me a break!
On almost every track, the top 5 hotlaps (fastlaps) are VERY close,
and new records are set everytime we visit a track.

You should try being more of a racer/enthusiast and less of a
businessman/politician.
Insulting those who have paid their dues, been around a long time, and
set the speed standards shows a lack of respect, integrity, and logic.

-Darrel
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San Jose State University - Math/Computer Science Dept.

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by **Craig Hea** » Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:00:00

: Would you consider making this a general challenge, or is it just for
: Riku?

by **Craig Hea** » Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:00:00

: I believe very strongly in our product that I have developed and
: offer a CHALLENGE to Mr. THUD. I am going to E-MAIL him a copy
: of our FASTLAP program and if he breaks it and can send me a results
: back that we cannot detect as invalid, than I will give MR> THUD
: gladly a brand new 1996 PROWHEEL. This is a $250.00 value so lets
: see if MR. THUD can use his brain and hack our software..

Would you consider making this a general challenge, or is it just for
Riku?

by **Clive Parso** » Mon, 04 Dec 1995 04:00:00

> To the viewer of the REC.AUTOS.SIMULATORS

Don't people interact here, not just "view"..?

> Recently after we had sent out messages I received this message
> from a very upset FINN... He has lots of things to say about my
> IVGA and its software.

Hang on... "He"? How do you know this person is male? You go on and
on quoting "he", and "MR", when you don't even know who "he" is!

> As some of you know I am also the owner of the PROWHEEL.
> The best steering wheel system on the market.

It's better than the Thrustmaster Formula T2??? That means that the
PROWHEEL *must have* "active feedback" as in the arcade Sega Rally?
Sounds good!

> I believe very strongly in our product that I have developed and
> offer a CHALLENGE to Mr. THUD. I am going to E-MAIL him a copy
> of our FASTLAP program and if he breaks it and can send me a results
> back that we cannot detect as invalid, than I will give MR> THUD
> gladly a brand new 1996 PROWHEEL. This is a $250.00 value so lets
> see if MR. THUD can use his brain and hack our software..

Considering who you are writing to, and who is reading this group,
isn't this just free advertising? I'm not sure I'd want your
product if you paid me, thanks. It sounds a bit expensive, but if
by offering this "prize" it boosts your sales then feel free..

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