rec.autos.simulators

It is proposed that the following newsgroups be created to reduce
bandwidth and allow easier filtering of subjects.

rec.autos.simulators.racism.sucks
rec.autos.simulators.binaries.indy
rec.autos.simulators.sega.suck
rec.autos.simulators.daytona.advocacy
alt.fan.ymenard
alt.fan.ymenard.hamster.duct.tape
alt.fan.papyrus.suck.blow.hard
alt.fan.papyrus.gods.gift

Okay, a bit of fun. But seriously. As so much of this group has
degenerated into the above, isn't it about time to go the way of other
newsgroups and divide into several groups devoted to certain themes.
For example:

rec.autos.simulators.gp
rec.autos.simulators.nascar
rec.autos.simulators.indy
rec.autos.simulators.multi (player)
rec.autos.simulators (would remain for MISC posts)

One criticism of the approach suggested above is that groups devoted
to specific programs die a death some months after the software is
released. However, we are still talking about GP2 (even GP3 now)  in
large numbers so that can't be justified. Also, although a lot of us
probably like to listen in general to the whole group, I for one could
do without the INDY and MULTI stuff (valid to many others though they
are). I reckon a lot of other people might agree (with different
preferences of course). Most good newsreaders do have filtering but
the headers used here are just too varied to be filterable. People
will x-post, yes, but also, those who genuinely want to talk about
(for instance) multi-player stuff would know where the biggest
like-minded audience is to be found.

Anyway, I propose to test the water by offering an informal vote to
the group.  Send a blank email (header only) to the appropriate
address below if you wish your voice to be heard amongst this din.

A) Those in favour IN PRINCIPLE (subject to further discussion) of the

B) and those of us who are HAPPYHAPPYHAPPY with the current SOA and

No, this is not a troll of any kind. I am not operating a mailing list
or spam operation or anything. I have previously posted over the last

yes I did post a to a couple of threads in a manner that merely caused
more wasted bandwidth. Sorry, OK? I definitely do not seek, want or
desire to be our glorious LEADER (believe me that is the last thing on
my mind after the last ten days on RAS). I merely want to read posts
about one of my hobbies in peace and quiet.  I think that we might be
a touch more disciplined with specific groups than we are at the
moment.

I'll let the votes build up until Sunday night and post the results
(After the GP and Nascar races!). If you don't want your email address
shown in the votes summary then say so in your vote and I'll censor
the address part of it.

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I reckon the throughput here is about 100 messages a day tops. That's
a pretty low volume newsgroup, and I certainly wouldn't want it split.
It's a pretty easy matter to setup your news software to filter what
you don't want, and that is much easier than creating five almost
empty newsgroups.

Unfortunately inconclusive. The people who respond will be those who
want a change, the others will generally tend to skip over the post.
Your results will be skewed in favour of those who want a change. It
will still give an idea, but have to bear in mind the above.

Cheers!
John

Well, I'm not sure if you were around here about a year ago or not
but we already went through an RFD for a newsgroup split, and at that time
the concensus of most of the group was to not split.

I, for one would vote AGAINST a split.

First, ymenard and other bored schoolchildren like him would still
post their flame trolling posts, but now they would crosspost it to ALL the
split r.a.s.* groups, so in effect you would still end up having to avoid
these types of posts but now in more than one group. Splitting is not
going to stop any of that ***since people can still crosspost.

The biggest problem with this split would be that each group would
become isolated... I am mostly a open-wheel racer, but ended up buying
Nascar2 and even Screamer2 after reading positive posts by fans of
the Nascar2 and Screamer2, and am very glad I did or I would have
missed some very enjoyable experiences with each title.

What I am trying to say is that a split would not solve any of the
problems you are trying to solve, rather you might consider using
a kill-file to filter out subjects and people who you are not interested
in seeing or reading about, and IMHO all these different interests
existing in the same group actually make us BETTER because we may
learn about some knowledge or subject which we previously had not considered
useful on OUR type of sim but which actually turn out to be very enjoyable,
or solve a problem we may be having in the sim we are interested in.

Well there's my 2.5 cents on the subject, and hoping this will not degenerate
into yet another flamefilled thread... I agree with you that some of the tone
of the posts on r.a.s. lately has been pretty bad, probaly due to a lack of
new racing sims and delay with the NRO, but let's hope we will
have a new sim out soon to generate RACING related threads and that will
hopefully bring up the signal/noise ratio on this group... until then my
kill-file grows ever bigger ;-)

Cheers.

--John
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ROTFLMAO!!!

I've got a few more that need to be created...

alt.***.papyrus
rec.autos.simulators.gimme
rec.autos.simulators.flames
rec.autos.simulators.hacking
alt.binaries.simulators.illegal

What, are you trying to run this newsgroup, Gary????  Have you consulted
ymenard with this?  Unbelievable...  ;]

I actually like it the way it is, and tend to agree with JW that there are
really not that many posts to this group per day to warrant a split.
rec.autos.sport.nascar has about 5 times as many posts per day,
with about the same amount of irrelevant and unbelievable posts.
Hence, R.A.S.N. could probably be split in this fashion...

rec.autos.sport.nascar.real.honest.to.goodness.news (moderated)
rec.autos.sport.nascar.dale.earnhardt.deity
rec.autos.sport.nascar.no.he.isnt
rec.autos.sport.nascar.yes.he.is
rec.autos.sport.nascar.jeff.gordon.deity
rec.autos.sport.nascar.jeff.gordon.cheater
rec.autos.sport.nascar.jeff.gordon.sucks
alt.binaries.***a.brooke.gordon
rec.autos.sport.nascar.your.driver.sucks
rec.autos.sport.nascar.ford.sucks
rec.autos.sport.nascar.chevy.sucks
rec.autos.sport.nascar.pontiac.sucks
rec.autos.sport.nascar.where.is.dodge
rec.autos.sport.nascar.sucks
rec.autos.sport.nascar.everyone.sucks
rec.autos.sport.nascar.flames
rec.autos.sport.nascar.your.drivers.fault
rec.autos.sport.nascar.your.driver.cant.drive
rec.autos.sport.nascar.rasn.banner
rec.autos.sport.nascar.rasn.meeting
rec.autos.sport.nascar.whois.guy.in.victorycircle
rec.autos.sport.nascar.bill.needs.haircut
rec.autos.sport.nascar.abc.coverage.bullshit
rec.autos.sport.nascar.cbs.coverage.bullshit
rec.autos.sport.nascar.tbs.coverage.nonexistant
rec.autos.sport.nascar.sillyseason
rec.autos.sport.nascar.thisweeks.spoiler.height
rec.autos.sport.nascar.whichcar.robert.pressley

Cheers!

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Computer Systems Programmer
USAF Air-Ground Operations School
Hurlburt Field, FL

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<snip>
: Well there's my 2.5 cents on the subject, and hoping this will not degenerate
: into yet another flamefilled thread... I agree with you that some of the tone
: of the posts on r.a.s. lately has been pretty bad, probaly due to a lack of
: new racing sims and delay with the NRO, but let's hope we will
: have a new sim out soon to generate RACING related threads and that will
: hopefully bring up the signal/noise ratio on this group... until then my
: kill-file grows ever bigger ;-)

Excellent observation.  I've noticed this also.  It seems that in
between new releases of sims the conversation in r.a.s. turns down right
ugly and off-topic.  Well, at least we know people are still interested,
I'm just curious as to what it is they are interested in when the level
of civility degenerates.  I guess most people must have mastered their
last sim upgrade and are just bored and drop into r.a.s. for some
stimulating entertainment...

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     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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Still, it's interesting to get the feedback, keep voting all.

Gary
(Who always did tend to go with the majority, it's safer)

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I got one for rec.autos.sport.indy (I visit that group a lot):

rec.autos.sport.indy.irl-sucks
rec.autos.sport.indy.americans.only
rec.autos.sport.indy.cart.fans.are.a.bunch.of.whiners
rec.autos.sport.indy.aj.wants.to.fight.with.you
rec.autos.sport.indy.i.cant.pronounce.this.guys.name
rec.autos.sport.indy.stupid.irl.teams.advertising.here
rec.autos.sport.indy.we.hate.road.courses
rec.autos.sport.indy.detroit-sucks
rec.autos.sport.indy.tony.george.sucks
rec.autos.sport.indy.cheap.irl.teams
rec.autos.sport.indy.roger.penske.is.evil
rec.autos.sport.indy.aj.is.an.old.fart
rec.autos.sport.indy.its.aries.fault
rec.autos.sport.indy.we.hate.bernie.ecclestone
rec.autos.sport.indy.former.winners
rec.autos.sport.indy.garage.questions
rec.autos.sport.indy.irl.diapers
rec.autos.sport.indy.f1-sucks

Christopher
http://members.aol.com/ROSCS
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[SNIP]

Further to my original post about splitting....

So what you guys are saying is that we could do with splitting most
other groups on the net similarly. Let's see, 24,489 groups on my ISP
to date, that gives use how many!!! Better still, let's have one group
each. We can post what we like to our OWN group, including binaries of
hacked games and tracks if we want. It's the ultimate censorship, I
just subscribe to the groups run by the people I respect....Great
Idea.

Rec.Autos.Simulators.Gary.Brown

My bandwidth problems are solved ;-) ;-)

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I am Homer of Borg. Resistance is....Ooooh, donuts.

I would guess that about 2/3 of the messages posted to this group (I'm
just taking a guess) are about N2.  Just start a new group for it.  With
N2 posts out of the way, it's easier to find what your looking for.

Chris