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Willow Springs out!

Steve Smit

Willow Springs out!

by Steve Smit » Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:39:39

One of the earliest--and most famous--of all U.S. "club" tracks, Willow
Springs (in the trackless desert north of L.A.), is out for GPL.  You can
get it at Magnus' celebrated GPL track database:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

At first blush, it looks *very* professionally done....

Jason Moy

Willow Springs out!

by Jason Moy » Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:53:02

On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:39:39 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>One of the earliest--and most famous--of all U.S. "club" tracks, Willow
>Springs (in the trackless desert north of L.A.), is out for GPL.  You can
>get it at Magnus' celebrated GPL track database:

>http://magnust.d2g.com/

>At first blush, it looks *very* professionally done....

Looks very nice.

Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for
GPL. =/

Jason

Don Scurloc

Willow Springs out!

by Don Scurloc » Wed, 25 Dec 2002 02:55:31



I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man.

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Tony Jeste

Willow Springs out!

by Tony Jeste » Wed, 25 Dec 2002 04:33:26


Hey cool, Now I can practice before going there for the open track events.
Thanks!

AndrewThoma

Willow Springs out!

by AndrewThoma » Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:14:31




> > Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for
> > GPL. =/

> > Jason

> I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man.

And the Targa Florio :-)

Andy

Dave Henri

Willow Springs out!

by Dave Henri » Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:26:30

  and that little track they use for the Millie Millia(Is that Targa?)  Only
a 1K miles right?
dave henrie

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The Carvalho Famil

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by The Carvalho Famil » Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:42:02

Nice Track. Very well done. Tricky little thing, though. Within 20 laps
I was doing respectable times . . . for a FF! Looks like it has lots of
racing room, too.
Jim

>One of the earliest--and most famous--of all U.S. "club" tracks, Willow
>Springs (in the trackless desert north of L.A.), is out for GPL.  You can
>get it at Magnus' celebrated GPL track database:

>http://magnust.d2g.com/

>At first blush, it looks *very* professionally done....

Magnus Svensso

Willow Springs out!

by Magnus Svensso » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:56:32



The Targa Florio wasn't a track it was the event(Florio's Shield). The
"track"(it was just 70-something km of sicilian public road obviously)
they ran it on last was called Piccolo Madonie.

The Mille Miglia was run from Brescia to Rome and back, I don't know
if you can call that a track or circuit exactly, you only run it once
in each direction. ;)

I also don't know if you can call either events "races" as such
either, the events had more in common with rallying than racing, but
with sportscars. In the Mille Miglia the cars were sent away with 10
minutes intervals, IIRC. In the Targa Florio they were 30 seconds(?)
or a minute(?) intervals between the cars.

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:37:20

"Magnus Svensson"
   Thanks for the info Magnus

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by Steve Smit » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:09:01

By that definition, Le Mans wasn't/isn't a track, either (originally public
roads).  Neither Monaco, Rheims, Spa, Macau, Watkins Glen, Bridgehampton,
Bremgarten, Santa Barbara, Avus, Hockenheim, Solitude, Sebring, Silverstone,
Long Beach, Nassau, Caracas, the Dundrod Circuit nor the Isle of Man!

Most early European racing was on public roads.  In America, where we had a
less suitable network of public roads, we tended to race our cars first on
horse-racing ovals and later purpose-built ovals (initially wooden board
tracks and later paved banked ovals), until they emerged into the unnatrual
monstrosities (e.g., Talladega) they are today.  In Europe, the Nurburgring
was the first great natural-terrain road circuit, but as the Safety Police
gained the upper hand, real tracks became increasingly miniaturized until
they emerged into the unnatural monstrosities (e.g., the *new* Nurburgring)
they are today.

BTW, the Mille Miglia wasn't run in two different directions on the same
stretch of roads; they went down the spine of the Italian peninsula from
Brescia to Rome; the return trip was made along the Adriatic.  And they were
flagged off at one-minute intervals (the numbers on the sides of the car
denoted their starting times), slowest cars first.

--Steve Smith




> >> > > Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for
> >> > > GPL. =/
> >> I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man.

> >> And the Targa Florio :-)

> >> Andy

> >  and that little track they use for the Millie Millia(Is that Targa?)
Only
> >a 1K miles right?

> The Targa Florio wasn't a track it was the event(Florio's Shield). The
> "track"(it was just 70-something km of sicilian public road obviously)
> they ran it on last was called Piccolo Madonie.

> The Mille Miglia was run from Brescia to Rome and back, I don't know
> if you can call that a track or circuit exactly, you only run it once
> in each direction. ;)

> I also don't know if you can call either events "races" as such
> either, the events had more in common with rallying than racing, but
> with sportscars. In the Mille Miglia the cars were sent away with 10
> minutes intervals, IIRC. In the Targa Florio they were 30 seconds(?)
> or a minute(?) intervals between the cars.

Magnus Svensso

Willow Springs out!

by Magnus Svensso » Fri, 27 Dec 2002 04:52:41

On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:09:01 GMT, "Steve Smith"

Ouch! I'm owned as I expected... :)

Well of course, but I thought it was extremely rudimentary compared to
those, and _extremely_ long at that, certainly the preceding Madonies
even moreso. I don't know, but somewhere it ceases to be a "track"
when it passes a certain length and just becomes a rally stage that
you run over and over(especially when there's no racing for position).
There's just no way you could remember all the circuit and get any
sort consistency that I think is significative for "regular"
roadracing. To me, that is. :-) Not exactly stringent I'll admit
readily!

The Isle of Man actually falls in the same category as the Targa for
me. Rallying with bikes. :)

Duly noted, my fault.

Peter Hol

Willow Springs out!

by Peter Hol » Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:41:27

Try here, Don

http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/IsleOfMan.html

Peter

On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:55:31 GMT, Don Scurlock




>> Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for
>> GPL. =/

>> Jason

>I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man.

Doug Millike

Willow Springs out!

by Doug Millike » Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:33:22


> By that definition, Le Mans wasn't/isn't a track, either (originally public
> roads).  Neither Monaco, Rheims, Spa, Macau, Watkins Glen, Bridgehampton,
> Bremgarten, Santa Barbara, Avus, Hockenheim, Solitude, Sebring, Silverstone,
> Long Beach, Nassau, Caracas, the Dundrod Circuit nor the Isle of Man!

Steve, has anyone modeled the first Watkins Glen?   All the roads
are still there, although some of them used to be dirt and have
been paved...
Don Scurloc

Willow Springs out!

by Don Scurloc » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:33:29

WOW!  Great news, thanks for the info Peter.



> Try here, Don

> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/IsleOfMan.html

> Peter

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:55:31 GMT, Don Scurlock

>> I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man.

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don hodgdo

Willow Springs out!

by don hodgdo » Mon, 06 Jan 2003 06:07:35

Doug, Sorry about the delayed response...look here:
http://voyager.ccc.co.il/gpli/wg1948.htm

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> > By that definition, Le Mans wasn't/isn't a track, either (originally
public
> > roads).  Neither Monaco, Rheims, Spa, Macau, Watkins Glen,
Bridgehampton,
> > Bremgarten, Santa Barbara, Avus, Hockenheim, Solitude, Sebring,
Silverstone,
> > Long Beach, Nassau, Caracas, the Dundrod Circuit nor the Isle of Man!

> Steve, has anyone modeled the first Watkins Glen?   All the roads
> are still there, although some of them used to be dirt and have
> been paved...


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