rec.autos.simulators

Loads of sites for GTR stuff, but basically all I want to do is upgrade to
latest version/patch.

I'm in UK - all the patches seem to be in German?

could anyone recommend a site for the patches (in English?) or how to
convert them

Thanks guys

btw I've been playing the Demo for a while and since installing the full
game I've got a GTR widow in the house ;-)

Clive

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Thanks anyway guys. Logitech Wingman FF doesn't seem to work too well

Clive

....unless you're using WinXP....LWFF+WinXP+ISI engine+FF = slow framerate

VERY sensitive in straight line, unless I turn down the FF amount

running XP SP2. Don' have a problem with Framerate (around 37).

Clive

  First, because you have a Logitech product, make sure you are using
  NEGATIVE FF values.   THere should be a checkbox to reverse the slider
  percentages from positive numbers to negative number.

now the whole enchilada.

Outside the sim. Logitech Profiler...set the steering axis to near 50%.
Slightly lower if you like less twitchy near the midpoint and over 50%
if you want a quicker response near the center, but less as you turn the
wheel to full lock.

Windows Game Controllers...Adjust the FF effects to around 95% to 100%
Spring Effect STrength to about the same. as FF. Damper Slider should be
very low..0% or 1 or 2% Centering Spring should be set to off or, if
checked on, set the percentage to a very low number.  Right now I use
Centering spring on but only 1%.

 Now in the program.  
Set the steering axis, again like the Logitech Profiler, to 50%(adjust
to feel) Set the deadzones to ZERO Set Speed Sensitivity to near
zero.(this is a damper for high speed smoothness, but setup should fix
it.) In your car's setup, you have a steering ratio number.  This is the
opposite of Papyrus settings.  Since about Nascar 4, Papyrus changed the
setting so that the smaller the number, the quicker the steering.  So
for PAPYRUS products, 12 is great for road racing, but near
uncontrollable on a Superspeedway,  For those situations, you use high
numbers to dull the steering.
  But for ISI stuff(and this includs GTR) you do the opposite.  Low
  percentages produce slow steering and make it difficult to complete
  sharp turns(like pulling out of your garage.)  the ISI F1 sims often
  defaulted to a value of 22% which was very twitchy at high speeds.  I
  have run as low as 14%, but then I have to make several turns to exit
  the garage without hitting the outside pitwall.  Generally around 16
  to 18% works great.

   For best results, always calibrate your wheel in windows and also in
   your sim before each new session.(not necessary, but it can't hurt.)

dave henrie

------ Washington State Govenor Gregoire, hundreds of dead King County
Voters can't be wrong!

Incorrect, Dave.  The old LWFF is about the only Logitech wheel that doesn't
use negative values for FF in ISI games.  It's also the only Logitech wheel
which has major frame rate issues in WinXP with FF enabled in ISI games.