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by **Ian Jarvi** » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 08:09:49

I'm pretty much a 67' equivilant to a Minardi on VROC. I can corner as good
as anybody else , but even if I use a downloaded decent setup , and set my
fuel to 5 gals , I still seem to get easily out-dragged on the straights by
most of the frontrunners.

My best Monza lap is about 1.30.8 approx.

When my car gearshifts , there's a pause whilst the hand reaches and changes
gear. But when I snoop at some of the other drivers , the gearchange is
almost modern F1 style. All I see if the gearlever quickly shifting on its
own , but the driver's hand still on the wheel.

I just want to race on a parr with everyone else, but I'm sure I'm not as
competitive because I'm not using the right tweeks.

Can anybody give me some pointers/tweeks to get me in the sub 1.30's at
Monza

IJ

by **Jason Mond** » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:00:10

> When my car gearshifts , there's a pause whilst the hand reaches and changes
> gear. But when I snoop at some of the other drivers , the gearchange is
> almost modern F1 style. All I see if the gearlever quickly shifting on its
> own , but the driver's hand still on the wheel.

> I just want to race on a parr with everyone else, but I'm sure I'm not as
> competitive because I'm not using the right tweeks.

The replays do not show the animated hand. Watch one of your own
replays and you'll see the same thing happen.

You need to carry as much speed as possible out of the turns.
Concentrate on the parabolica and Lesmos 2.

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by **Jim** » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:03:46

I *think* the driver's hand stays on the wheel during gearshifts when you're
watching a replay. Hence your shifts look slower than everyone else's but in
fact they're just as quick. Might be wrong on this one though - anyone got a
definitive answer?

My Monza PB is 1:29.84 so I'm not particularly well qualified to answer your
"how to go faster" question. I used Alison Hine's Eagle setup and then
played with the gear ratios - I use a low third gear when accelerating out
of Lesmo 2 and also out of Parabolica to make the car easier to control
under acceleration. Got the idea from watching Greger Huttu's replays. He
does it far far better than me :0)

I find the Eagle is the easiest car to balance through Curva Grande - at
every other corner the Ferrari is my favourite.

I'd be very interested if someone quick could answer Ian's question though,
because I'd like to knock a little time off too!

Cheers
Jim

by **Simon Brow** » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:43:39

Yep, as the other two posters said, the gear-shift animation is only used
when you're actually in control of the car, same with the***pit movement.
If people are burning you off on the straights, it could be because they got
on the power earlier coming out of the turn, or they could have a taller
fifth gear. Plus the cars vary in top speed, the Honda probably being the
fastest.

There is a skill to getting smooth quick gear-shifts though. Presumably you
are doing you own gear-shifts, which you need to do. In which case, as you
shift, lift on the throttle about 15-20%, and then straight back on full
power. It takes a while to get really good at.

Also, other drivers could be speed-shifting (not lifting at all), which is
obviously a little faster, not realizing it will brake their engine.

I don't think theres any need to mess with setups, just stick with the
default setup and reduce the fuel load to 5-8 laps for hotlapping. Monza is
an easy track, but because it has so few corners and so many fast sections,
you have to get every corner perfect to be fast. Also you will probably
find your are braking too hard and too early and turning in to the corners
with too little speed.

As for general advice on the Monza track, make sure you are flat out through
the left hander after lesmo 2. The two major braking points on the circuit
are before lesmo 1 and before Parabolica. You want to be braking after the
braking zone starts (the dark section on the track). Also the Lotus and
Eagle are good at Monza.

by **jaf** » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:32:51

I use the Coventry, because of its forgiving nature. The best lap I can turn
with the car was a 1.32.15, I normally run 1.33's. The problem I find with
this car is that it is 5mph slower down the straights than any other car.
Variest setups have made no difference. I haven't raced on line yet but
from what I gather is you have to run sub 1:30's to be competive? Is there
any way to get more speed out of this car or is it just a dog?

by **Earl** » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:51:19

The Cooper is a great little car, its probably not the quickest car at
Monza or Spa but at all the other tracks it is very competetive.I started
with the Lotus and Ferrari and now most of my PBs are in the Cooper.Try some
different setups with it and drive the snot out of it.
try www.setup-shop.com

> I use the Coventry, because of its forgiving nature. The best lap I can
turn
> with the car was a 1.32.15, I normally run 1.33's. The problem I find
with
> this car is that it is 5mph slower down the straights than any other car.
> Variest setups have made no difference. I haven't raced on line yet but
> from what I gather is you have to run sub 1:30's to be competive? Is
there
> any way to get more speed out of this car or is it just a dog?

> > I'm pretty much a 67' equivilant to a Minardi on VROC. I can corner as
> good
> > as anybody else , but even if I use a downloaded decent setup , and set
my
> > fuel to 5 gals , I still seem to get easily out-dragged on the straights
> by
> > most of the frontrunners.

> > My best Monza lap is about 1.30.8 approx.

> > When my car gearshifts , there's a pause whilst the hand reaches and
> changes
> > gear. But when I snoop at some of the other drivers , the gearchange is
> > almost modern F1 style. All I see if the gearlever quickly shifting on
its
> > own , but the driver's hand still on the wheel.

> > I just want to race on a parr with everyone else, but I'm sure I'm not
as
> > competitive because I'm not using the right tweeks.

> > Can anybody give me some pointers/tweeks to get me in the sub 1.30's at
> > Monza

> > IJ

by **ra300** » Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:33:09

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:09:49 +0100, "Ian Jarvis"

>I'm pretty much a 67' equivilant to a Minardi on VROC. I can corner as good
>as anybody else , but even if I use a downloaded decent setup , and set my
>fuel to 5 gals , I still seem to get easily out-dragged on the straights by
>most of the frontrunners.

>My best Monza lap is about 1.30.8 approx.

>When my car gearshifts , there's a pause whilst the hand reaches and changes
>gear. But when I snoop at some of the other drivers , the gearchange is
>almost modern F1 style. All I see if the gearlever quickly shifting on its
>own , but the driver's hand still on the wheel.

>I just want to race on a parr with everyone else, but I'm sure I'm not as
>competitive because I'm not using the right tweeks.

>Can anybody give me some pointers/tweeks to get me in the sub 1.30's at
>Monza

The gear changing isn't the problem. You are probably not getting
enough speed off the turns.

OR you are running a slow differential. I think I run an 85/30 at
Monza myself so I'm not one to ask. But I have managed a low 88
second lap at Monza.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you run a 45/30 at Monza, will there be
better pick up off the turns?

by **Jason Mond** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:28:28

Yep, 45/30 will make you get a better launch. I was setting up a sub
1:30 Brabham and was sooo close. Moving to a 60/30 differential from
85/30 got me there :)

Jason.

> Correct me if I'm wrong but if you run a 45/30 at Monza, will there be
> better pick up off the turns?

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by **Andy** » Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:23:47

>I use the Coventry, because of its forgiving nature. The best lap I can turn
>with the car was a 1.32.15, I normally run 1.33's. The problem I find with
>this car is that it is 5mph slower down the straights than any other car.
>Variest setups have made no difference. I haven't raced on line yet but
>from what I gather is you have to run sub 1:30's to be competive? Is there
>any way to get more speed out of this car or is it just a dog?

drivin the dog out of the cooper at monza is very hard i have a PB on
monza of 1.28 with a lotus and drivin the the coop at 1.30 is really
hard, use the eagle or the lotus and stick with it, for fast circuits
you really cant beat the LOTUS, monza particularly.

drivin the cooper you'll find the lotus VERY hard to drive but stick
with it.

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:33:03

I had an absolutely GREAT Lotus setup that somebody made for
me for Monza. When the GPL Engineer first came out he used that
to make a very stable and drivable Lotus setup. I don't have it anymore,
losy at backing things up. But I know I sent it to Eldred and maybe a few
others. If anyone remembers that setup....gimmie a shout...new users
would really benefit from trying it. The setup probably wasn't close to
the fastest setups available, but the stableness more than made up for that)
dave henrie

> >I use the Coventry, because of its forgiving nature> drivin the cooper

you'll find the lotus VERY hard to drive but stick

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