LFS and LWFF wheel

After all the patches from the LFS guys, my LWFF wheel (the original red one) is still not working properly. I can't seem to get dual axis for the brake throttle, and LFS still can't see buttons 5 and 6. I have got the wheel setup using the usb adapter that came with the wheel. Running XP Using the LFS Q patch. When using single axis for Brake/Throttle, if you are using partial throttle on cornering, does application of the brake effectively just reduce the throttle setting, and will not apply brake and throttle at the same time? This is what I have assumed happens I assume that to trail brake properly, it must be setup as dual axis. Can anyone enlighten me? Has anyone else got this wheel to work properly? Darf

The best I can do with the LWFF and LFS is either go with the 'L' release (which it appears is no longer downloadable) or go with the 'Q' version. The 'L' gives you decent FF but no split axis or fixes. The 'Q' version is setup using the Momo recommended configuration. With this setup (with force type 1) you still have the pull to the left. If you choose force type 2 the dual axis works and you loose the pull to the left along with all FF effects. For me LFS felt better before the patches. > After all the patches from the LFS guys, my LWFF wheel (the original red > one) is still not working properly. > I can't seem to get dual axis for the brake throttle, and LFS still can't > see buttons 5 and 6. > I have got the wheel setup using the usb adapter that came with the wheel. > Running XP Using the LFS Q patch.

To get split-axis on the LWFF, here are the settings: Throttle - Axis RZ Brake = Axis Z Swap Pedals ENABLED I agree that the FF still doesn't work right. The best is setting 1 which pulls to the left. I just set the FF strength to zero and go from there.... Darf wrote:

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> After all the patches from the LFS guys, my LWFF wheel (the original red > one) is still not working properly. > I can't seem to get dual axis for the brake throttle, and LFS still can't > see buttons 5 and 6. > I have got the wheel setup using the usb adapter that came with the wheel. > Running XP Using the LFS Q patch. > When using single axis for Brake/Throttle, if you are using partial throttle > on cornering, does application of the brake effectively just reduce the > throttle setting, and will not apply brake and throttle at the same time? > This is what I have assumed happens > I assume that to trail brake properly, it must be setup as dual axis. > Can anyone enlighten me? > Has anyone else got this wheel to work properly? > > Darf

To get split-axis on the LWFF, here are the settings: Throttle - Axis RZ Brake = Axis Z Swap Pedals ENABLED I agree that the FF still doesn't work right. The best is setting 1 which pulls to the left. I just set the FF strength to zero and go from there....

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> After all the patches from the LFS guys, my LWFF wheel (the original red > one) is still not working properly. > I can't seem to get dual axis for the brake throttle, and LFS still can't > see buttons 5 and 6. > I have got the wheel setup using the usb adapter that came with the wheel. > Running XP Using the LFS Q patch. > When using single axis for Brake/Throttle, if you are using partial throttle > on cornering, does application of the brake effectively just reduce the > throttle setting, and will not apply brake and throttle at the same time? > This is what I have assumed happens > I assume that to trail brake properly, it must be setup as dual axis. > Can anyone enlighten me? > Has anyone else got this wheel to work properly? > Darf

I tried your suggestions, but when I go to race, the throttle just revs almost flat out and everything is not well. Have Downloaded the latest Wingman software. Is your wheel the original Logitech red with the soft grip and the bid paddles? Do you use the USB adapter or the serial adapter? Has anyone else got the LWFF wheel to work ok with dual axis? Darf "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> To get split-axis on the LWFF, here are the settings: > > Throttle - Axis RZ > Brake = Axis Z > Swap Pedals ENABLED > > I agree that the FF still doesn't work right. The best is setting 1 which

pulls > to the left. I just set the FF strength to zero and go from there....

"Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d72dc84$0$29913$[email hidden]...

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> I tried your suggestions, but when I go to race, the throttle just revs > almost flat out and everything is not well. Have Downloaded the latest > Wingman software. > Is your wheel the original Logitech red with the soft grip and the bid > paddles? > Do you use the USB adapter or the serial adapter? > Has anyone else got the LWFF wheel to work ok with dual axis? > > Darf

Get the clear calibration utility at the wingman site(team wingman site that is) use that and then reboot and reload your wheel. Good luck. dave henrie ( AND MAKE SURE NO OTHER JOYSTICK, GAMEPAD OR 2ND WHEEL IS CONNECTED...INCLUDING SEPARATE PEDAL UNITS OTHER THAN WHAT SHIPPED WITH YOUR WHEEL!!!)

Thanks for that Dave...I will try it Darf "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fxBc9.97213$[email hidden]... > Get the clear calibration utility at the wingman site(team wingman site > that is) use that and then reboot and reload your wheel. > Good luck. > dave henrie > ( AND MAKE SURE NO OTHER JOYSTICK, GAMEPAD OR 2ND WHEEL IS > CONNECTED...INCLUDING SEPARATE PEDAL UNITS OTHER THAN WHAT SHIPPED WITHYOUR > WHEEL!!!)

Hi Darf. Excellent LFS racing last night mate :). Yep you got it - without split/dual axis you can't trail brake. The brake will just reduce the throttle. I still can't quite get all the buttons on my Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel (USB) to recognise (with the Q patch). I get the paddles(1,2), main wheel buttons(3,4), gear lever(5,6), 2 of the 4 d-pad buttons(7,8 - 9,10 won't register), and the hat switch doesn't register at all. The force feedback works nicely though and I have no probs with split axis. Not much help I know. Krunch. "Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d72b09b$0$29909$[email hidden]...

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> After all the patches from the LFS guys, my LWFF wheel (the original red > one) is still not working properly. > I can't seem to get dual axis for the brake throttle, and LFS still can't > see buttons 5 and 6. > I have got the wheel setup using the usb adapter that came with the wheel. > Running XP Using the LFS Q patch. > When using single axis for Brake/Throttle, if you are using partial

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> on cornering, does application of the brake effectively just reduce the > throttle setting, and will not apply brake and throttle at the same time? > This is what I have assumed happens > I assume that to trail brake properly, it must be setup as dual axis. > Can anyone enlighten me? > Has anyone else got this wheel to work properly? > > Darf > > >

It was very close racing wasn't it? I Need both sides of the Turbo repainted :-) Thanks for your reply, Now I have another question re GPL, I will post it as a new thread under: GPL and Dual axis Regards Darf "Neil Faichney (Krunch)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Darf. Excellent LFS racing last night mate :). > > Yep you got it - without split/dual axis you can't trail brake. The brake > will just reduce the throttle. > > I still can't quite get all the buttons on my Guillemot Ferrari FF wheel > (USB) to recognise (with the Q patch). I get the paddles(1,2), main wheel > buttons(3,4), gear lever(5,6), 2 of the 4 d-pad buttons(7,8 - 9,10 won't > register), and the hat switch doesn't register at all. > > The force feedback works nicely though and I have no probs with split

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> Not much help I know. > > Krunch. > > > "Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3d72b09b$0$29909$[email hidden]... > > After all the patches from the LFS guys, my LWFF wheel (the original

red > > one) is still not working properly. > > I can't seem to get dual axis for the brake throttle, and LFS stillcan't > > see buttons 5 and 6. > > I have got the wheel setup using the usb adapter that came with thewheel. > > Running XP Using the LFS Q patch. > > When using single axis for Brake/Throttle, if you are using partial > throttle > > on cornering, does application of the brake effectively just reduce the > > throttle setting, and will not apply brake and throttle at the sametime?

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> > This is what I have assumed happens > > I assume that to trail brake properly, it must be setup as dual axis. > > Can anyone enlighten me? > > Has anyone else got this wheel to work properly? > > > > Darf > > > > > > > >

Hmm.... Did you make sure that no other controllers are active? ....and that Swap Pedals is enabled? FWIW -- I use Win 98SE and the Wingman software is 3.62.127 (not the latest). However, I DON'T launch LFS (or any other sim for that matter) through the Profiler. (maybe you can try launching without the Profiler active?) I use the USB adaptor, and it is the original LWFF with the red soft grip and the large paddle shifters. One last thought -- Do you have the patch installed that enables split-axis? -- can'tremember which one it was. (Probably a Dumb Question, I know, but I can't think of anything else to check....) The patch I'm waiting for is the one that will enable multiple controllers, as I hate those LWFF pedals....... Good Luck. Darf wrote:

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> I tried your suggestions, but when I go to race, the throttle just revs > almost flat out and everything is not well. Have Downloaded the latest > Wingman software. > Is your wheel the original Logitech red with the soft grip and the bid > paddles? > Do you use the USB adapter or the serial adapter? > Has anyone else got the LWFF wheel to work ok with dual axis? > > Darf > > "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > To get split-axis on the LWFF, here are the settings: > > > > Throttle - Axis RZ > > Brake = Axis Z > > Swap Pedals ENABLED > > > > I agree that the FF still doesn't work right. The best is setting 1 which > pulls > > to the left. I just set the FF strength to zero and go from there....

Hmm.... Did you make sure that no other controllers are active? ....and that Swap Pedals is enabled? FWIW -- I use Win 98SE and the Wingman software is 3.62.127 (not the latest). However, I DON'T launch LFS (or any other sim for that matter) through the Profiler. (maybe you can try launching without the Profiler active?) I use the USB adaptor, and it is the original LWFF with the red soft grip and the large paddle shifters. One last thought -- Do you have the patch installed that enables split-axis? -- can'tremember which one it was. (Probably a Dumb Question, I know, but I can't think of anything else to check....) The patch I'm waiting for is the one that will enable multiple controllers, as I hate those LWFF pedals....... Good Luck.

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> I tried your suggestions, but when I go to race, the throttle just revs > almost flat out and everything is not well. Have Downloaded the latest > Wingman software. > Is your wheel the original Logitech red with the soft grip and the bid > paddles? > Do you use the USB adapter or the serial adapter? > Has anyone else got the LWFF wheel to work ok with dual axis? > Darf > > To get split-axis on the LWFF, here are the settings: > > Throttle - Axis RZ > > Brake = Axis Z > > Swap Pedals ENABLED > > I agree that the FF still doesn't work right. The best is setting 1 which > pulls > > to the left. I just set the FF strength to zero and go from there....

By George I got it !!!! I tried your suggestions to no avail :-( Then I went into control Panel \ Game Controllers \ Logitech Wheel \ Properties and in there it let me deselect the box that selects single axis for Throttle and Brake....now LFS works.....Dual Axis!!!! I then Tried GPL....and I recalibrated the wheel within GPL, selected the new axis in controls and Bingo.....I am a Trail Braker !!!! Look out 104's at the Glen :-) Hope this helps others that have had troubles. Thanks to all that posted with help :-) Darf "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hmm.... Did you make sure that no other controllers are active? ....andthat > Swap Pedals is enabled? > > FWIW -- I use Win 98SE and the Wingman software is 3.62.127 (not thelatest). > However, I DON'T launch LFS (or any other sim for that matter) through the > Profiler. (maybe you can try launching without the Profiler active?) Iuse the > USB adaptor, and it is the original LWFF with the red soft grip and thelarge > paddle shifters. > > One last thought -- Do you have the patch installed that enablessplit-axis? -- > can'tremember which one it was. (Probably a Dumb Question, I know, but Ican't > think of anything else to check....) > > The patch I'm waiting for is the one that will enable multiplecontrollers, as I

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> hate those LWFF pedals....... > > Good Luck. > > > > > Darf wrote: > > > I tried your suggestions, but when I go to race, the throttle just revs > > almost flat out and everything is not well. Have Downloaded the latest > > Wingman software. > > Is your wheel the original Logitech red with the soft grip and the bid > > paddles? > > Do you use the USB adapter or the serial adapter? > > Has anyone else got the LWFF wheel to work ok with dual axis? > > > > Darf > > > > "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > To get split-axis on the LWFF, here are the settings: > > > > > > Throttle - Axis RZ > > > Brake = Axis Z > > > Swap Pedals ENABLED > > > > > > I agree that the FF still doesn't work right. The best is setting 1

which > > pulls > > > to the left. I just set the FF strength to zero and go from there.... >

Glad that you finally got it...... Darf wrote:

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> Thanks for that Dave...I will try it > > Darf > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fxBc9.97213$[email hidden]... > > > Get the clear calibration utility at the wingman site(team wingman site > > that is) use that and then reboot and reload your wheel. > > Good luck. > > dave henrie > > ( AND MAKE SURE NO OTHER JOYSTICK, GAMEPAD OR 2ND WHEEL IS > > CONNECTED...INCLUDING SEPARATE PEDAL UNITS OTHER THAN WHAT SHIPPED WITH > YOUR > > WHEEL!!!)

Glad that you finally got it......

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> Thanks for that Dave...I will try it > Darf > > Get the clear calibration utility at the wingman site(team wingman site > > that is) use that and then reboot and reload your wheel. > > Good luck. > > dave henrie > > ( AND MAKE SURE NO OTHER JOYSTICK, GAMEPAD OR 2ND WHEEL IS > > CONNECTED...INCLUDING SEPARATE PEDAL UNITS OTHER THAN WHAT SHIPPED WITH > YOUR > > WHEEL!!!)

Now that you've got dual axis sorted I may not be able to catch you - I'd better get practicing :-). "Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d7334ab$0$29910$[email hidden]... > It was very close racing wasn't it? I Need both sides of the Turborepainted > :-) > Thanks for your reply, > Now I have another question re GPL, I will post it as a new thread under: > GPL and Dual axis > > Regards Darf

Well, I have been using single axis throttle / brake since F1GP was released. Now I have to learn to drive all over again. I don't think you will have any trouble catching me in the immediate future. So far it has only taken .34 of a second off my time at the Glen. So much for the 2 seconds that I thought would have peeled off my lap times using dual axis :-) Trail Braking definitely helps a bit on LFS, especially the hairpin before the chicane. Catch you soon for another LFS Session. Darf "Neil Faichney (Krunch)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d74475d$[email hidden]... > Now that you've got dual axis sorted I may not be able to catch you - I'd > better get practicing :-).