New LFS!

From the LFS forum: Scawen Moderator Registered: Aug 2002 Location: Twickenham Posts: 9 New Version Lfs Demo Test 0.1a Hello All Players! New VERSION 0.1A available www.liveforspeed.com/LFS_DT_0_1A.zip Or check the mirror sites, seen on www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm www.liveforspeed.com/download.htm No patch, you have to get the full version. But there's a nice surprise or two in there... To keep your settings from 0.04 versions you will need to copy over the following files : cfg.txt data\misc\cfg.sta data\misc\fkeys.msg data\misc\drv.nam data\settings\*.set Please report any problems you come across, in theory it should be more reliable and has worked well under testing. Hopefully no more ghost players and wierd bugs... Have fun!

Some nice additions. I was driving around the track in reverse quite a bit already but it's nice to have some competitors now. Love the gloves. File size is: 32.2 MB Locker "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> From the LFS forum: > > Scawen > Moderator > > Registered: Aug 2002 > Location: Twickenham > Posts: 9 > > New Version Lfs Demo Test 0.1a > Hello All Players! > > New VERSION 0.1A available > > www.liveforspeed.com/LFS_DT_0_1A.zip > > Or check the mirror sites, seen on > > www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm > www.liveforspeed.com/download.htm > > No patch, you have to get the full version. But there's a nice surprise > or two in there... > > To keep your settings from 0.04 versions you will need to copy over the > following files : > > cfg.txt > data\misc\cfg.sta > data\misc\fkeys.msg > data\misc\drv.nam > data\settings\*.set > > Please report any problems you come across, in theory it should be more > reliable and has worked well under testing. Hopefully no more ghost > players and wierd bugs... > > Have fun! > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > From the LFS forum: Thx for the heads up! Downloading now...should be done in 2 minutes. Damn I love my cable modem ;-) -- ________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com ________________________

Awesome. I'm downloading it now!!1 Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> From the LFS forum: > > Scawen > Moderator > > Registered: Aug 2002 > Location: Twickenham > Posts: 9 > > New Version Lfs Demo Test 0.1a > Hello All Players! > > New VERSION 0.1A available > > www.liveforspeed.com/LFS_DT_0_1A.zip > > Or check the mirror sites, seen on > > www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm > www.liveforspeed.com/download.htm > > No patch, you have to get the full version. But there's a nice surprise > or two in there... > > To keep your settings from 0.04 versions you will need to copy over the > following files : > > cfg.txt > data\misc\cfg.sta > data\misc\fkeys.msg > data\misc\drv.nam > data\settings\*.set > > Please report any problems you come across, in theory it should be more > reliable and has worked well under testing. Hopefully no more ghost > players and wierd bugs... > > Have fun! > >

Verrry awesome. Had some good online races already.. all of them backwards. It's good to race people on a new circuit.. the GP track backwards is awesome.. both esses are really hair raising, especially the downhill one. I almost lost it completely there on the final lap in the lead. The speed I lost was enough for 2nd place to catch up and pass me.. very awesome! There's a LOT more barriers and tyres on the road.. mostly to stop people from cutting corners. I'm really happy about that too! Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cbBd9.41802$[email hidden]...

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> Awesome. I'm downloading it now!!1 > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > From the LFS forum: > > > > Scawen > > Moderator > > > > Registered: Aug 2002 > > Location: Twickenham > > Posts: 9 > > > > New Version Lfs Demo Test 0.1a > > Hello All Players! > > > > New VERSION 0.1A available > > > > www.liveforspeed.com/LFS_DT_0_1A.zip > > > > Or check the mirror sites, seen on > > > > www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm > > www.liveforspeed.com/download.htm > > > > No patch, you have to get the full version. But there's a nice surprise > > or two in there... > > > > To keep your settings from 0.04 versions you will need to copy over the > > following files : > > > > cfg.txt > > data\misc\cfg.sta > > data\misc\fkeys.msg > > data\misc\drv.nam > > data\settings\*.set > > > > Please report any problems you come across, in theory it should be more > > reliable and has worked well under testing. Hopefully no more ghost > > players and wierd bugs... > > > > Have fun! > > > > > >

Looks really pretty, but still no fix for the Radeon problem (boo) Anyone else out there have about 1FPS with a Radeon 8500 and the latest drivers? Tsunami

On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 03:27:42 GMT, Ped Xing <[email hidden]> wrote: > www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm >New VERSION 0.1A available Now, version 0.1B is available ..

On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:26:19 GMT, [email hidden] (Tsunami) wrote: >Looks really pretty, but still no fix for the Radeon problem (boo) >Anyone else out there have about 1FPS with a Radeon 8500 and the >latest drivers? That seems standard for the Radeon, and it's a shame that it hasnlt been fixed. If you turn off TCL, though, it works quite nicely. I get 30-40fps with quite a few AI, 1024x768, Smoothvision on 2Q and all in-game settings on high, except the mirror, which is off as it kills the frame rate. To turn off TCL you need a Radeon tweaker such as Rage3D Tweak or Radeonator. See http://www.rage3d.com/files/?page=files Ian -- Ian Riches GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:04:44 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 03:27:42 GMT, Ped Xing <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm >>New VERSION 0.1A available > >Now, version 0.1B is available .. Hehehe. These guys are going to surpass Rowan (anyone remember Flying Corps Gold....they almost ran out of letters in the alphabet). The good thing on this occasion is that this is before the thing has even been released... Ian -- Ian Riches GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

Do we have support for multiple controllers yet? SLG Ped Xing <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>From the LFS forum: > >Scawen >Moderator > >Registered: Aug 2002 >Location: Twickenham >Posts: 9 > > New Version Lfs Demo Test 0.1a >Hello All Players! > >New VERSION 0.1A available > >www.liveforspeed.com/LFS_DT_0_1A.zip > >Or check the mirror sites, seen on > >www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm >www.liveforspeed.com/download.htm > >No patch, you have to get the full version. But there's a nice surprise >or two in there... > >To keep your settings from 0.04 versions you will need to copy over the >following files : > >cfg.txt >data\misc\cfg.sta >data\misc\fkeys.msg >data\misc\drv.nam >data\settings\*.set > >Please report any problems you come across, in theory it should be more >reliable and has worked well under testing. Hopefully no more ghost >players and wierd bugs... > >Have fun! > >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

When it supports split axis and the Radeon cards I'll give it a try. "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> From the LFS forum: > > Scawen > Moderator > > Registered: Aug 2002 > Location: Twickenham > Posts: 9 > > New Version Lfs Demo Test 0.1a > Hello All Players! > > New VERSION 0.1A available > > www.liveforspeed.com/LFS_DT_0_1A.zip > > Or check the mirror sites, seen on > > www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm > www.liveforspeed.com/download.htm > > No patch, you have to get the full version. But there's a nice surprise > or two in there... > > To keep your settings from 0.04 versions you will need to copy over the > following files : > > cfg.txt > data\misc\cfg.sta > data\misc\fkeys.msg > data\misc\drv.nam > data\settings\*.set > > Please report any problems you come across, in theory it should be more > reliable and has worked well under testing. Hopefully no more ghost > players and wierd bugs... > > Have fun! > >

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:57:01 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote: >When it supports split axis and the Radeon cards I'll give it a try. It *does* support split axis, and it is easy to tweak your Radeon to make it work, Ian (running LFS on a Radeon 8500 and driving with split axis) -- Ian Riches GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

Ah ok, didn't know they had the split axis thing working. I have tried it with the Radeon but not keening on setting the TLC on and off between different sims/games. What settings are you using on your radeon and what FPS you getting? "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:57:01 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >When it supports split axis and the Radeon cards I'll give it a try. > > It *does* support split axis, and it is easy to tweak your Radeon to > make it work, > > Ian > (running LFS on a Radeon 8500 and driving with split axis) > -- > Ian Riches > GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

The split axis was one of the first things they fixed - about 4 patches ago. All you need to do is visit their web site and look at the notes or read the forums. There is a large section of getting the Radeon to work well. One of the biggest fixes is to disable hardware T&L. "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nmKd9.58564$[email hidden]...

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> Ah ok, didn't know they had the split axis thing working. I have tried it > with the Radeon but not keening on setting the TLC on and off between > different sims/games. > What settings are you using on your radeon and what FPS you getting? > > "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:57:01 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >When it supports split axis and the Radeon cards I'll give it a try. > > > > It *does* support split axis, and it is easy to tweak your Radeon to > > make it work, > > > > Ian > > (running LFS on a Radeon 8500 and driving with split axis) > > -- > > Ian Riches > > GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19 > >

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:04:31 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ah ok, didn't know they had the split axis thing working. I have tried it >with the Radeon but not keening on setting the TLC on and off between >different sims/games. >What settings are you using on your radeon and what FPS you getting? I just disable TCL and TCL backface culling. I use the Radeonator tweaker for that. Very easy. I normally race offline (never summoned up the courage for online yet...still only doing 1:36's with the FWD drive car and spinning the RWD ones all over the place...) With three opponents and no mirror, but all other graphics maxed I get: No smoothvision: 45-50fps 2x smoothvision: 30-40fps 4x smoothvision: 20-30fps 4x is not really playable, and is a bit stuttery. All the above are at 1024x768. I assume it is at 32-bit, as that is what my desktop is set at??? Anisotropic filtering is also set to max. I usually play at 2x smoothvision. Machine is AMD XP1700+ on (old) Via KT133A mobo ATI Radeon 8500LE @ 275/275 Win98SE Ian -- Ian Riches GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

Does a TSW w/ split axis work yet? Any tips on the settings? JB

First off, this is one awesome game. But (there's always a but), as a Radeon 8500 owner, it would be nice if they would address the issues with the Radeon. I know about the fix which is to disable hardware T&L, and it does certainly help, but a fix would be very nice. Fatbob "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> From the LFS forum: > > Scawen > Moderator > > Registered: Aug 2002 > Location: Twickenham > Posts: 9 > > New Version Lfs Demo Test 0.1a > Hello All Players! > > New VERSION 0.1A available > > www.liveforspeed.com/LFS_DT_0_1A.zip > > Or check the mirror sites, seen on > > www.liveforspeed.net/download.htm > www.liveforspeed.com/download.htm > > No patch, you have to get the full version. But there's a nice surprise > or two in there... > > To keep your settings from 0.04 versions you will need to copy over the > following files : > > cfg.txt > data\misc\cfg.sta > data\misc\fkeys.msg > data\misc\drv.nam > data\settings\*.set > > Please report any problems you come across, in theory it should be more > reliable and has worked well under testing. Hopefully no more ghost > players and wierd bugs... > > Have fun! > >

Once upon a time Ian Riches <[email hidden]> scribed carefully:

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>:On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:26:19 GMT, [email hidden] >:(Tsunami) wrote: >: >:>Looks really pretty, but still no fix for the Radeon problem (boo) >:>Anyone else out there have about 1FPS with a Radeon 8500 and the >:>latest drivers? >: >:That seems standard for the Radeon, and it's a shame that it hasnlt >:been fixed. If you turn off TCL, though, it works quite nicely. >: >:I get 30-40fps with quite a few AI, 1024x768, Smoothvision on 2Q and >:all in-game settings on high, except the mirror, which is off as it >:kills the frame rate. >: >:To turn off TCL you need a Radeon tweaker such as Rage3D Tweak or >:Radeonator. See http://www.rage3d.com/files/?page=files

Thanks for the tip, but it made no difference, I still get about 1FPS with TCL turned off. I have tried both the Radeonater and Raid on tweakers, and it made no difference to the performance. Interestingly, the slow FPS is both during the game and in the menus. I don't know if this is the same problem as others have had, but I had this problem when I tried to play E-racer (Hey, I was bored, OK ^_^) also, and never found an answer to that one either. Tsunami

Tsunami wrote: > > Looks really pretty, but still no fix for the Radeon problem (boo) > Anyone else out there have about 1FPS with a Radeon 8500 and the > latest drivers? Yes. works "great" on my non gaming PC with a weak(ish) CPU and R8500, get about 1 FPS with my Gaming PC with twice the CPU power and a R8500, which means I'm schtuck with mouse and keyboard for driving, still, down to 1:35's in the GTI :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

You need to reboot after turning TCL off. "Tsunami" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Once upon a time Ian Riches <[email hidden]> scribed carefully: > > >:On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:26:19 GMT, [email hidden] > >:(Tsunami) wrote: > >: > >:>Looks really pretty, but still no fix for the Radeon problem (boo) > >:>Anyone else out there have about 1FPS with a Radeon 8500 and the > >:>latest drivers? > >: > >:That seems standard for the Radeon, and it's a shame that it hasnlt > >:been fixed. If you turn off TCL, though, it works quite nicely. > >: > >:I get 30-40fps with quite a few AI, 1024x768, Smoothvision on 2Q and > >:all in-game settings on high, except the mirror, which is off as it > >:kills the frame rate. > >: > >:To turn off TCL you need a Radeon tweaker such as Rage3D Tweak or > >:Radeonator. See http://www.rage3d.com/files/?page=files > > Thanks for the tip, but it made no difference, I still get about 1FPS > with TCL turned off. I have tried both the Radeonater and Raid on > tweakers, and it made no difference to the performance. Interestingly, > the slow FPS is both during the game and in the menus. I don't know if > this is the same problem as others have had, but I had this problem > when I tried to play E-racer (Hey, I was bored, OK ^_^) also, and > never found an answer to that one either. > > Tsunami

On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:11:51 +0100, Ian Riches <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hehehe. These guys are going to surpass Rowan (anyone remember Flying >Corps Gold....they almost ran out of letters in the alphabet). And every release seemed to have more bugs than the last! The game concept was great but I never could play it, just too buggy. Tried just about every one of those damn releases too.

Schooner wrote: > > You need to reboot after turning TCL off. Tried that already, next suggestion pls :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Schooner wrote: > > > > You need to reboot after turning TCL off. > > Tried that already, next suggestion pls :-) Enable W-buffer? Ice D

Dunno. It worked for me but I uninstalled it after that. Didn't want to have to turn it off, reboot, turn on, rinse, wash, repeat after every sim I run. This isn't a slam on LFS or anything but didn't impress me a whole lot. Lot like a demo of GPL or something but it does have potential for sure. "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Schooner wrote: > > > > You need to reboot after turning TCL off. > > Tried that already, next suggestion pls :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

"Schooner" wrote: > This isn't a slam on LFS or anything but didn't impress me a whole lot. Lot > like a demo of GPL or something but it does have potential for sure. It was surprise because it came out of the blue (to me at least). I am more used to knowing these things are in development and eagerly await the demo (or full release). Which usually ends up in disappointment :-( Unfortunately nothing has ever had the same impact as when I first fired up the GPL demo. I just knew I was limited to one track & no ai until the full version was released as everything else at the time just couldn't touch it. That is what I want to happen again but fear it may never happen :-( Optimistically (many will say!) I wonder if RL just might... Cheers Tony

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Schooner wrote: > > > > > > You need to reboot after turning TCL off. > > > > Tried that already, next suggestion pls :-) > > Enable W-buffer?

Nope, I don't have that on this PC and it works quite well, I'll have to try it on my racing PC later, thx Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

just curious...why, since the rest of the video world calls it either TnL or T&L, does ATC use TCL??? dave henrie "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Schooner wrote: > > > > You need to reboot after turning TCL off. > > Tried that already, next suggestion pls :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Dave Henrie wrote: > > just curious...why, since the rest of the video world calls it either TnL > or T&L, does ATC use TCL??? > dave henrie For the same reason you call them ATC instead of ATI, someone made a typo at some point, and rather than admit to the fact they created a "new" buzzword.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Cool, we didnt want you playing it anyway :). Dont know how you could say its too buggy, when i, and alot of people i know have had less problems that most papyrus releases.. which is a few if not none! Cool Hand Luke -=87=- "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:11:51 +0100, Ian Riches <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hehehe. These guys are going to surpass Rowan (anyone remember Flying > >Corps Gold....they almost ran out of letters in the alphabet). > > And every release seemed to have more bugs than the last! The game > concept was great but I never could play it, just too buggy. Tried > just about every one of those damn releases too.

On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:48:48 GMT, "Luke Phillips" <(NOSPM)[email hidden]> wrote: >Cool, we didnt want you playing it anyway :). Dont know how you could say >its too buggy, when i, and alot of people i know have had less problems that >most papyrus releases.. which is a few if not none! Great! Good for you! Now run along to your Junior Philosophy class, and they'll teach you that you can't proove a negative.

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> On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:48:48 GMT, "Luke Phillips" > <(NOSPM)[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Cool, we didnt want you playing it anyway :). Dont know how you could say > >its too buggy, when i, and alot of people i know have had less problems that > >most papyrus releases.. which is a few if not none! > > Great! Good for you! Now run along to your Junior Philosophy class, > and they'll teach you that you can't proove a negative. >

But will your English class teach you how to spell??? -- ________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com ________________________

Wasn't Joe refering to Flying Corps Gold? On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:48:48 GMT, "Luke Phillips" <(NOSPM)[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Cool, we didnt want you playing it anyway :). Dont know how you could say >its too buggy, when i, and alot of people i know have had less problems that >most papyrus releases.. which is a few if not none! > >Cool Hand Luke >-=87=- >"Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:11:51 +0100, Ian Riches <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Hehehe. These guys are going to surpass Rowan (anyone remember Flying >> >Corps Gold....they almost ran out of letters in the alphabet). >> >> And every release seemed to have more bugs than the last! The game >> concept was great but I never could play it, just too buggy. Tried >> just about every one of those damn releases too. >

> The split axis was one of the first things they fixed - about 4 patchesago. > All you need to do is visit their web site and look at the notes or readthe > forums. > > There is a large section of getting the Radeon to work well. One of the > biggest fixes is to disable hardware T&L. Unfortunately, they *still* haven't fixed split axis for LWFF owners. As soon as you enable split-axis, the FF pulls to the left....<sigh>

I have no problems with mine, I used FF type 1 in the menu and it is fine Darf "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:alc92q$1ov3mp$[email hidden]... > Unfortunately, they *still* haven't fixed split axis for LWFF owners. As > soon as you enable split-axis, the FF pulls to the left....<sigh> > >

>No smoothvision: 45-50fps >2x smoothvision: 30-40fps >4x smoothvision: 20-30fps > >4x is not really playable, and is a bit stuttery. All the above are at >1024x768. I got a 1:33.6x using a mousepad, keyboard, 640x480 resolution, running no more than 8fps in a multiplayer race... 20-30 fps is too stuttery? Hmmmm ;-) :-D Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com My little car sim screenshots: http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:12:20 GMT, Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote: >But will your English class teach you how to spell??? WARNING! This web site snuck onto your computer and took a picture of you while you were posting: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame31.html

On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:51:11 GMT, Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote: >Wasn't Joe refering to Flying Corps Gold? Ya ... my apologies if any innocents were hurt by mis-understood flames. On the other hand ... maybe next time they'll read the actual messages instead of just the thread header! ;-)

no pull to the left, once you have passed the center for some degrees??? JensSchumi On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:44:50 +1000, "Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have no problems with mine, I used FF type 1 in the menu and it is fine > >Darf > > >"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:alc92q$1ov3mp$[email hidden]... > >> Unfortunately, they *still* haven't fixed split axis for LWFF owners. As >> soon as you enable split-axis, the FF pulls to the left....<sigh> >> >> >

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