Braking problem in F1 2002 - please help

I called tech support twice, cruised EA's site and have been searching around but am not finding anything. I have an Athlon 1.6G, 32M nvidia, 512M RAM, Win98 SE and am using a plain-jane Gravis joystick. I didn't have any problem at all like this w/F1 2001. The problem is that w/Braking Point Assistance set to "High" the car (on test day, at any track) will slow substantially on some straights at all circuits (like the straight following Eau Rouge at Spa or the straight exiting the tunnel at Monaco) and also on turns (even high speed turns where you normally wouldn't lift/brake) - all I have to do is nudge the joystick off-center either direction. So I changed my steering control to the kb and it does the exact same thing. If I want to move the car from inside to outside on a straight, for instance, the car slows drastically until I let go of the joystick (or kb). If I weave on the straight the car slows. When steering through a high speed turn it slows all the way through the turn until I exit and/or I let the joystick return to center (this isn't a joystick calibration problem since the same thing happens when using kb to steer). Normally I use the joystick only for steering and the kb for everything else. I've calibrated the joystick numerous times. Most difficulty options are off except Braking Point Assistance, TC (and something else I forget which). Except for the video and difficulty options I've left pretty much everything else bone-stock as it came installed. The game is practically unplayable like this. When the car slows I have to downshift at least a couple gears - it's real bad. Thanks... Mike -- ------------------------ mhardy_mail@[email hidden] Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.

I can't solve your problem, sorry, I'm just posting to suggest you could try driving with no braking point assistance. It's more fun that way IMO. :) "mike hardy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > I called tech support twice, cruised EA's site and have been searching > around but am not finding anything. I have an Athlon 1.6G, 32M nvidia, > 512M RAM, Win98 SE and am using a plain-jane Gravis joystick. I didn't > have any problem at all like this w/F1 2001. > > The problem is that w/Braking Point Assistance set to "High" the car (on > test day, at any track) will slow substantially on some straights at all > circuits (like the straight following Eau Rouge at Spa or the straight > exiting the tunnel at Monaco) and also on turns (even high speed turns > where you normally wouldn't lift/brake) - all I have to do is nudge the > joystick off-center either direction. So I changed my steering control to > the kb and it does the exact same thing. > > If I want to move the car from inside to outside on a straight, for > instance, the car slows drastically until I let go of the joystick (or > kb). If I weave on the straight the car slows. When steering through a > high speed turn it slows all the way through the turn until I exit and/or > I let the joystick return to center (this isn't a joystick calibration > problem since the same thing happens when using kb to steer). > > Normally I use the joystick only for steering and the kb for everything > else. I've calibrated the joystick numerous times. Most difficulty > options are off except Braking Point Assistance, TC (and something else I > forget which). Except for the video and difficulty options I've left > pretty much everything else bone-stock as it came installed. The game is > practically unplayable like this. When the car slows I have to downshift > at least a couple gears - it's real bad. > > Thanks... > > Mike > -- > > > > ------------------------ > mhardy_mail@[email hidden] > > Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply. > > > > > > > > >

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:43:58 +0100, "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >I can't solve your problem, sorry, I'm just posting to suggest you could try >driving with no braking point assistance. It's more fun that way IMO. Brake point assistance *is* the problem. I just did a quick test, and with it set to high the brakes will engage with sharp steering angles. His copy of the game is functioning as designed. Jason ----- GPLRank 24.50 N2002Rank -12.995

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> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:43:58 +0100, "Jim Seamus" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >I can't solve your problem, sorry, I'm just posting to suggest you could try > >driving with no braking point assistance. It's more fun that way IMO. > > Brake point assistance *is* the problem. > > I just did a quick test, and with it set to high the brakes will > engage with sharp steering angles. His copy of the game is > functioning as designed. >

Piss-poor design then because it isn't "braking assistance" - it's "braking _point_ assistance." Big difference. None of the straights I'm experiencing this with having braking points. Turns you accelerate through do not have braking points. Yet these are exactly the kinds of places I'm seeing the car slow dramatically (or fail to accelerate). I'm curious if your definition of sharp steering angle includes casually moving the car from one side of a straight to another such as you might on the straight following Eau Rouge or the jog before the chicane leading to start/finish at San Marino or the decreasing radius turn in the tunnel at Monaco? (These are just a couple; there are many many other places the car should not be braking just because I'm turning). Tech support copped out by saying he believed (_after_ I described the problem; how lame) braking (point) assistance was initiated due to steering input. That's a load of horseshit unless someone's going to tell me that any time a driver turns the wheel he's trying to (dramatically) slow the car. Does anyone know if I was to mail a vcr file demonstrating this if I'd get anywhere w/EA? Do you know who I'd send it to (other than tech support drones)? Mike -- ------------------------ mhardy_mail@[email hidden] Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.

"mike hardy"

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> I'm curious if your definition of sharp steering angle includes casually > moving the car from one side of a straight to another such as you might on > the straight following Eau Rouge or the jog before the chicane leading to > start/finish at San Marino or the decreasing radius turn in the tunnel at > Monaco? (These are just a couple; there are many many other places the > car should not be braking just because I'm turning). > > Tech support copped out by saying he believed (_after_ I described the > problem; how lame) braking (point) assistance was initiated due to > steering input. That's a load of horseshit unless someone's going to tell > me that any time a driver turns the wheel he's trying to (dramatically) > slow the car. > > Does anyone know if I was to mail a vcr file demonstrating this if I'd get > anywhere w/EA? Do you know who I'd send it to (other than tech support > drones)? > > Mike

I really doubt you would get a fix made, I think they are done with F2k2.(emphasis on THINK not KNOW) However what you describe is similar to the old Papyrus braking assistance. The moment you got off line or out of the groove, the braking assistance would kick in because the computer would be seeing the ideal line and compare it to yours...which you are not on. Therefore, to brake safely, the computer would kick in and slow you down. Remember that is the Papyrus version, not EA. This also applied to exiting a corner, if you were offline because of pinching the apex or sliding wide, the braking assistance would drag through the turn and prevent you from accelerating away smartly. So IF this is happening as you describe in f2k2, it sounds like your only option would be to DISABLE the braking assistance. I have never seen a sim that turns assisted laps as fast as those who run without aids on. I'm pretty sure Papyrus intended drivers running with the driving aids on to turn slower laps and programed thier sims accordingly. I don't know ISI/EA philosophy on the matter though. As far as moving your gamepad, here I'm guessing you have a digital pad..where ANY movement equals 100% movement. So even a tiny twitch could be construed by the game to be a full blown crank of the wheel. If you have analog controllers, try tweeking the axis settings and steering lock in the setups. For a wheel I use 50% axis sensitivty, NO speed sensitivity, and a steering lock about one-half of what the defaults were{approximentally 12 degrees} This takes out the fast twitch feel to the steering and makes it easier to turn consistant laps...how that all applies to a gamepad tho is outside my experience. So looking at your problem, I see you driving what the game considers non-traditional lines and attempts to "HELP" you complete the turns by engaging the braking assistance. Your options are limited...either learn to drive within the computer's concept of perfect lines, or turn off the driving aids. good luck. dave henrie

mike hardy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> I called tech support twice, cruised EA's site and have been searching > around but am not finding anything. I have an Athlon 1.6G, 32M nvidia, > 512M RAM, Win98 SE and am using a plain-jane Gravis joystick. I didn't > have any problem at all like this w/F1 2001. > > The problem is that w/Braking Point Assistance set to "High" the car (on > test day, at any track) will slow substantially on some straights at all > circuits (like the straight following Eau Rouge at Spa or the straight > exiting the tunnel at Monaco) and also on turns (even high speed turns > where you normally wouldn't lift/brake) - all I have to do is nudge the > joystick off-center either direction. So I changed my steering control to > the kb and it does the exact same thing. > > If I want to move the car from inside to outside on a straight, for > instance, the car slows drastically until I let go of the joystick (or > kb). If I weave on the straight the car slows. When steering through a > high speed turn it slows all the way through the turn until I exit and/or > I let the joystick return to center (this isn't a joystick calibration > problem since the same thing happens when using kb to steer). > > Normally I use the joystick only for steering and the kb for everything > else. I've calibrated the joystick numerous times. Most difficulty > options are off except Braking Point Assistance, TC (and something else I > forget which). Except for the video and difficulty options I've left > pretty much everything else bone-stock as it came installed. The game is > practically unplayable like this. When the car slows I have to downshift > at least a couple gears - it's real bad. > > Thanks... > > Mike

F2002 is right for punishing you in this way, you should turn brake assistance off.

Nostradamus foretold that on Tue Sep 10 2002, mike hardy would write:

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> I called tech support twice, cruised EA's site and have been searching > around but am not finding anything. I have an Athlon 1.6G, 32M nvidia, > 512M RAM, Win98 SE and am using a plain-jane Gravis joystick. I didn't > have any problem at all like this w/F1 2001. > > The problem is that w/Braking Point Assistance set to "High" the car (on > test day, at any track) will slow substantially on some straights at all > circuits (like the straight following Eau Rouge at Spa or the straight > exiting the tunnel at Monaco) and also on turns (even high speed turns > where you normally wouldn't lift/brake) - all I have to do is nudge the > joystick off-center either direction. So I changed my steering control to > the kb and it does the exact same thing. > > If I want to move the car from inside to outside on a straight, for > instance, the car slows drastically until I let go of the joystick (or > kb). If I weave on the straight the car slows. When steering through a > high speed turn it slows all the way through the turn until I exit and/or > I let the joystick return to center (this isn't a joystick calibration > problem since the same thing happens when using kb to steer). > > Normally I use the joystick only for steering and the kb for everything > else. I've calibrated the joystick numerous times. Most difficulty > options are off except Braking Point Assistance, TC (and something else I > forget which). Except for the video and difficulty options I've left > pretty much everything else bone-stock as it came installed. The game is > practically unplayable like this. When the car slows I have to downshift > at least a couple gears - it's real bad. > > Thanks... > > Mike > -- >

I understand ppl thinking I should turn BPA off. I don't completely disagree. But that isn't the issue. The issue is a feature of the game and an entirely valid option which based on my experience w/the game does not work at all like anyone would expect (or tolerate). I was hoping some sim jock here knew tweaks that would alleviate (or remove) the problem so that I could continue using BPA and racing the way *I* feel like doing it (at the moment). That's all... Mike -- ------------------------ mhardy_mail@[email hidden] Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.