I give up on the N2002 Converter

I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres another way to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it, has anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seen guys suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually replied to anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information.

I've emailed David Noonan about 1 1/2 years ago when I needed to replace the original converter for GPL when I formated and just plain forgot to copy those files. David not only emailed me, but had the record of my purchase and emailed me the files again. As for an alternate way to purchase the converter, I don't think that Noonan offers it any other way. Joel Willstein -- "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner till the time you brake for the next turn , then you have enough horsepower." Mark Donohue "Skarekrow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oaJg9.13998$[email hidden]... > I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres another way > to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it, has > anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seen guys > suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually replied to > anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information. > > >

On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:23:10 -0400, "Skarekrow" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres another way >to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it, has >anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seen guys >suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually replied to >anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information. I had a very weird problem with some converted tracks (the cars were placed a couple of feet above the ground at the start, resulting in a very interesting start of the race) and with a couple of emails he figured out the problem for me. Andre

When the GPL-convertor came out, I couldn't get it either. What I did : I asked a GPL-buddy to mail it to me after I promised him to pay Mr. Noonan of course. He mailed the puppy to me, and I paid Mr. Noonan by means of a standard foreign transaction. He mailed me back a couple of days later to thank me for being so honest. Skarekrow <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws oaJg9.13998$[email hidden]... > I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres another way > to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it,has > anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seen guys > suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually replied to > anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information. > > >

I just wished David accepted Paypal payments. I would make it so easy for us here in the states to buy his converter "Skarekrow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oaJg9.13998$[email hidden]... > I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres another way > to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it,has > anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seen guys > suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually replied to > anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information. > > >

And it doesn't seem to be a secure site... That worries me too... Robert Jordan <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws nf1h9.11954$[email hidden]... > I just wished David accepted Paypal payments. I would make it so easy forus > here in the states to buy his converter > > > "Skarekrow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oaJg9.13998$[email hidden]... > > I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres anotherway > > to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it, > has > > anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seenguys > > suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually repliedto > > anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information. > > > > > > > >

I really wish I had someone to do this for me as well. I'm more than willing to pay for the converter just dont have a way to do it. Thats why I was asking if anyone had ever actually discussed alternate payment methods with Dave personally. Thanks for the replies all. "Silvia Twain" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:54_g9.118041$[email hidden]... > When the GPL-convertor came out, I couldn't get it either. > What I did : > I asked a GPL-buddy to mail it to me after I promised him to pay Mr.Noonan

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> of course. > He mailed the puppy to me, and I paid Mr. Noonan by means of a standard > foreign transaction. > He mailed me back a couple of days later to thank me for being so honest. > > > > > > Skarekrow <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > oaJg9.13998$[email hidden]... > > I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres another

way > > to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it, > has > > anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seenguys > > suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually repliedto > > anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information. > > > > > > > >

Skarekrow wrote: > > I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres another way > to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it, has > anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seen guys > suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually replied to > anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information. Why don't you just get a mate with a credit card to do it, and give him the cash? Gerry

"Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nf1h9.11954$[email hidden]... > I just wished David accepted Paypal payments. I would make it so easy forus > here in the states to buy his converter As easy as it is these days to get a credit card I just don't understand this pay pal obsession people seem to have. Hell even if your credit sucks you can get a pre paid card similar to a phone card. MadDAWG

I would prefer Kagi. I don't really trust PayPal... -Larry "Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nf1h9.11954$[email hidden]... > I just wished David accepted Paypal payments. I would make it so easy forus > here in the states to buy his converter > > > "Skarekrow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oaJg9.13998$[email hidden]... > > I've emailed Dave 3 times in the last 3 weeks asking if theres anotherway > > to purchase the N2002 converter. He has never replied. I give up on it, > has > > anyone been able to get an alternative method for buying ? I've seenguys > > suggest emailing Dave but was wondering has Dave ever actually repliedto > > anyone ? If so maybe they could share that Information. > > > > > > > >

Larry wrote: > > I would prefer Kagi. I don't really trust PayPal... On what grounds? I've use it for over a year without trouble. Is there something I should know? TIA Gerry

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>"Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:nf1h9.11954$[email hidden]... >> I just wished David accepted Paypal payments. I would make it so easy for >us >> here in the states to buy his converter > >As easy as it is these days to get a credit card I just don't understand >this pay pal obsession people seem to have. Hell even if your credit sucks >you can get a pre paid card similar to a phone card.

Some people don't WANT a credit card. I know *my* life would be a lot easier if I had never gotten one... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Some people don't WANT a credit card. I know *my* life would be a loteasier > if I had never gotten one... > > Eldred I'll give you the last part. However whats the differance between Pay Pal and say using a Visa card that draws off your checking account? The only way to keep your money is not to spend it, but were is the fun in that? :) MadDAWG

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>> Some people don't WANT a credit card. I know *my* life would be a lot >easier >> if I had never gotten one... >> >> Eldred > >I'll give you the last part. However whats the differance between Pay Pal >and say using a Visa card that draws off your checking account? >

If you pay of the CC in full every month, nothing. >The only way to keep your money is not to spend it, but were is the fun in >that? :) You're not spending your money when you use a CC. You're spending money you haven't EARNED yet... If you already had it, you wouldn't need the CC... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> Some people don't WANT a credit card. I know *my* life would be a lot > >easier > >> if I had never gotten one... > >> > >> Eldred > > > >I'll give you the last part. However whats the differance between Pay Pal > >and say using a Visa card that draws off your checking account? > > > > If you pay of the CC in full every month, nothing. > > >The only way to keep your money is not to spend it, but were is the fun

in > >that? :) > > You're not spending your money when you use a CC. You're spending moneyyou > haven't EARNED yet... If you already had it, you wouldn't need the CC...:-) > > Eldred Not quite. In 23+ years of uisng a CC I have only not paid the whole balance twice. But they are becoming more and more necessary for me. Because of my handicap it is often cheaper to buy off the web and pay the delivery charges then to pay for a taxi and buy it locally (and much less fuss and bother). Elrikk

Do a search on Google for "PayPal". I'll leave the rest to your interpretation. I've been using Kagi for something like 8 years. Never an issue, never a problem, never even heard of a problem. Of course it requires a credit card, but that's ok with me. -Larry "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: > > > > I would prefer Kagi. I don't really trust PayPal... > > On what grounds? I've use it for over a year without trouble. Is there > something I should know? > > TIA > > Gerry

That's hard to disagree with :) It made it WAY to easy to buy that Compaq IPAQ 3835 yesterday, but for $349 I couldn't pass it up. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:nf1h9.11954$[email hidden]... > >> I just wished David accepted Paypal payments. I would make it so easyfor > >us > >> here in the states to buy his converter > > > >As easy as it is these days to get a credit card I just don't understand > >this pay pal obsession people seem to have. Hell even if your creditsucks > >you can get a pre paid card similar to a phone card. > > Some people don't WANT a credit card. I know *my* life would be a loteasier

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> if I had never gotten one... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.03 > N2002 Rank:+20.124 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> You're not spending your money when you use a CC. You're spending moneyyou > haven't EARNED yet... If you already had it, you wouldn't need the CC...:-) To me, a credit card is just a pre-approved check without all the ID bullshit. They are very handy for parkades and things; it's easier than having a car full of change. As long as you're responsible, pay it off monthly, and never spend more than you can afford, a credit card is no worse than any other form of tender. Credit card companies win either way since they get a percentage every time a vendor accepts one. It's a good scam - wish I'd invented it!

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>> You're not spending your money when you use a CC. You're spending money >you >> haven't EARNED yet... If you already had it, you wouldn't need the CC... >:-) >> >> Eldred > >Not quite. In 23+ years of uisng a CC I have only not paid the whole >balance twice. > >But they are becoming more and more necessary for me. Because of my >handicap it is often cheaper to buy off the web and pay the delivery charges >then to pay for a taxi and buy it locally (and much less fuss and bother).

That's why I mentioned paying off the full balance every month. You're obviously the rare consumer - they don't make any money off you(unles they have yearly fees). Most of the rest of us are still paying interest on stupid stuff that we didn't need in the FIRST place... :-( I repeat - if I didn't have credit card bills, I wouldn't need the credit card... I could use cash, or a debit card, or solely use the CC for convenience as you do. Well, I can dream... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

- if I didn't have credit card bills, I wouldn't need the credit card... boy if that no shit! My original point was why not get a check card that works like CC instead of crying about not having Pay Pal as an option. MadDAWG

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> > In article <lWTh9.42254$[email hidden]>, "elrikk" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> You're not spending your money when you use a CC. You're spending money > >you > >> haven't EARNED yet... If you already had it, you wouldn't need the CC... > >:-) > >> > >> Eldred > > > >Not quite. In 23+ years of uisng a CC I have only not paid the whole > >balance twice. > > > >But they are becoming more and more necessary for me. Because of my > >handicap it is often cheaper to buy off the web and pay the delivery charges > >then to pay for a taxi and buy it locally (and much less fuss and bother). > > That's why I mentioned paying off the full balance every month. You're > obviously the rare consumer - they don't make any money off you(unles they have > yearly fees).

Indeed, and that's why I have a CC. > Most of the rest of us are still paying interest on stupid stuff > that we didn't need in the FIRST place... :-( > I repeat - if I didn't have credit card bills, I wouldn't need the credit > card... I could use cash, or a debit card, or solely use the CC for > convenience as you do. Well, I can dream... CC insurance is very handy for those internet purchases. In the UK the CC co. are as responsible for faulty goods as the supplier. I've got my money back through the CC co. on a couple of occasions. If i'd paid in any other way I'd have got nothing. I like my CC, it gives me interest free credit and free insurance cover. :) Cheers Gerry

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> > Do a search on Google for "PayPal". > > I'll leave the rest to your interpretation. > > I've been using Kagi for something like 8 years. Never an issue, never a > problem, never even heard of a problem. Of course it requires a credit > card, but that's ok with me.

Well I use a credit card for my paypal account, so i'm covered for fraud through them. Gerry

I'm with ya Eldred :) The Credit Card makes the use of the Credit Card mandatory! It's a rat-race, I tell ya! -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <lWTh9.42254$[email hidden]>, "elrikk" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> You're not spending your money when you use a CC. You're spendingmoney > >you > >> haven't EARNED yet... If you already had it, you wouldn't need theCC...

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> >:-) > >> > >> Eldred > > > >Not quite. In 23+ years of uisng a CC I have only not paid the whole > >balance twice. > > > >But they are becoming more and more necessary for me. Because of my > >handicap it is often cheaper to buy off the web and pay the delivery

charges > >then to pay for a taxi and buy it locally (and much less fuss andbother). > > That's why I mentioned paying off the full balance every month. You're > obviously the rare consumer - they don't make any money off you(unles theyhave > yearly fees). Most of the rest of us are still paying interest on stupidstuff

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> that we didn't need in the FIRST place... :-( > I repeat - if I didn't have credit card bills, I wouldn't need the credit > card... I could use cash, or a debit card, or solely use the CC for > convenience as you do. Well, I can dream... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.03 > N2002 Rank:+20.124 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Those things scare me... They tie DIRECTLY into my bank account. If something happens with a credit card, there's time to work it out. If something happens with one of those, you are shit out of luck until you prove your case. Not me, no way. My bank sent me one and I cut it up immediately. -Larry "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > - if I didn't have credit card bills, I wouldn't need the credit card... > > > boy if that no shit! > > My original point was why not get a check card that works like CC insteadof > crying about not having Pay Pal as an option. > > MadDAWG > >

In article <jL5i9.69222$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >I'm with ya Eldred :) > >The Credit Card makes the use of the Credit Card mandatory! > >It's a rat-race, I tell ya! > And the rats get faster every f'king year... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> writes: >- if I didn't have credit card bills, I wouldn't need the credit card... > > >boy if that no shit! >Not quite sure what you mean here, sorry... >My original point was why not get a check card that works like CC instead of >crying about not having Pay Pal as an option. That's one solution. As most newsgroup discussions go, this one drifted to other things...:-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <BM5i9.69224$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Those things scare me... They tie DIRECTLY into my bank account. > >If something happens with a credit card, there's time to work it out. > >If something happens with one of those, you are shit out of luck until you >prove your case. > >Not me, no way. > >My bank sent me one and I cut it up immediately.

Some banks give you the same protections as a CC. $50 limit to liability if stolen, ability to dispute charges, etc... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> You're not spending your money when you use a CC. You're spending money >you >> haven't EARNED yet... If you already had it, you wouldn't need the CC... >:-) > >To me, a credit card is just a pre-approved check without all the ID >bullshit. They are very handy for parkades and things; it's easier than >having a car full of change. As long as you're responsible, pay it off >monthly, and never spend more than you can afford, a credit card is no worse >than any other form of tender. >

True, but most people DON'T do that. They use CC's to buy things that they really can't afford. Hey, this couch costs $3000. I don't have it, but I can charge it, and only pay $40 per month. They don't factor the interest that may make that $3000 couch end up costing $3800. They also don't factor in the fact that if you make multiple purchases, that $40 per month for each purchase adds up... Can you tell that I learned this shit the HARD way...? :-( And if you are only going to use it as you've explained, a debit card does the same thing without the POSSIBILITY that you'll have to pay interest. >Credit card companies win either way since they get a percentage every time >a vendor accepts one. It's a good scam - wish I'd invented it! >You can still do it - new CC's pop up every week, seemingly. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> And if you are only going to use it as you've explained, a debit card doesthe > same thing without the POSSIBILITY that you'll have to pay interest. Debit cards don't work in parking garages, on-line, etc. That's all I use my credit card for.

> Debit cards don't work in parking garages, on-line, etc. That's all I usemy > credit card for. The woman's works any where a VISA card will. MadDAWG

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> > Those things scare me... They tie DIRECTLY into my bank account. > > If something happens with a credit card, there's time to work it out. > > If something happens with one of those, you are shit out of luck until you > prove your case. > > Not me, no way. > > My bank sent me one and I cut it up immediately.

I opened a second account for those type of cards, an account in which I have no money, then when I want to buy something I have to transfer the funds first This makes it perfectly safe for internet purchases and keeps me from impulse buying as I need to wait until the money is actually transferred before I can buy, well, I have a couple of CC's as well :-), but I only use them for car rental and emergency backup when I travel Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Yeah, but the money is _already gone_ and un-useable until you mill through the procedures. With a CC issue, I ain't wrote the check yet so THEY are floating it :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <BM5i9.69224$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Those things scare me... They tie DIRECTLY into my bank account. > > > >If something happens with a credit card, there's time to work it out. > > > >If something happens with one of those, you are shit out of luck until

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> >prove your case. > > > >Not me, no way. > > > >My bank sent me one and I cut it up immediately. > > Some banks give you the same protections as a CC. $50 limit to liability

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> stolen, ability to dispute charges, etc... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.03 > N2002 Rank:+20.124 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That's a pretty good idea. You must have online banking. -Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Larry wrote: > > > > Those things scare me... They tie DIRECTLY into my bank account. > > > > If something happens with a credit card, there's time to work it out. > > > > If something happens with one of those, you are shit out of luck until

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> > prove your case. > > > > Not me, no way. > > > > My bank sent me one and I cut it up immediately. > > I opened a second account for those type of cards, an account in which I > have no money, then when I want to buy something I have to transfer the > funds first > > This makes it perfectly safe for internet purchases and keeps me from > impulse buying as I need to wait until the money is actually transferred > before I can buy, well, I have a couple of CC's as well :-), but I only > use them for car rental and emergency backup when I travel > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

In article <pspi9.305$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Yeah, but the money is _already gone_ and un-useable until you mill through >the procedures. > >With a CC issue, I ain't wrote the check yet so THEY are floating it :) I know...just playin' with ya...<g> But other than that, they're probably equivalent... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I opened a second account for those type of cards, an account in which I >have no money, then when I want to buy something I have to transfer the >funds first > >This makes it perfectly safe for internet purchases and keeps me from >impulse buying as I need to wait until the money is actually transferred >before I can buy, well, I have a couple of CC's as well :-), but I only >use them for car rental and emergency backup when I travel

That's a good idea... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Larry wrote: > > That's a pretty good idea. > > You must have online banking. Of course, if for nothing else it saves me from having to deal directly with those pricks, bankers, lawyers and insurance people........ Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--