RASCAR: New Hampshire

Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at me for telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they are half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today???

"frederickson" wrote... > Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. > Simmons yells at me for telling people not to slam > on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get criticized > for not letting cars have their lap back even though > they are half a mile behind me. What the heck is going > on today??? You're cranky. <g> Jan. =---

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> Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at me for > telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get > criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they are > half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today??? > > >

Just one of those days Fred.. Things just never really settled down and it's a rough track for passing. I wasnt very lucky either but managed to hang in there, thanks in large part due to papy's dmg model :-) I wouldnt mind going back to single file restarts myself. It just makes it nasty for the top 2-5 when guys are ducking/darting for spots at the restart. Today clearly demonstrates this as we had somewhere near 5 cautions on restart laps.. Congrats Tim White. the dominator!!

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> frederickson wrote: > > <snip> > > > Just one of those days Fred.. Things just never really > settled down and it's a rough track for passing. I > wasnt very lucky either but managed to hang in there, > thanks in large part due to papy's dmg model :-) > > I wouldnt mind going back to single file restarts myself. > It just makes it nasty for the top 2-5 when guys are > ducking/darting for spots at the restart. Today clearly > demonstrates this as we had somewhere near 5 cautions on > restart laps.. > > Congrats Tim White. the dominator!!

Tim surely was the man to beat today... kudos. Disagree on the restart theory... I think lead lap cars need to show more solidarity and, instead of trying to capitalize on lap cars mixing it with the lead lap cars, try to keep the lap cars on the bottom until they're a) shuffled back sufficiently not to interfere with, say, the top6 and b) the field has settled enough for them to merge safely. Seeing the flag in Nascar races is all about driving with your brain and showing some give and take among the drivers. If it backfires in one race, there's always the opportunity to keep that in mind in future. What comes around, goes around. We understood eachother well (I think) this time. Larry didn't give me a hard time at a track he happens to be uncomfortable at... I'm sure he now expects the same of me. Jan. =---

On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:31:45 GMT, Mitch_A <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>frederickson wrote: >> Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at me for >> telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get >> criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they are >> half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today??? >> >> >> > > >Just one of those days Fred.. Things just never really settled down and >it's a rough track for passing. I wasnt very lucky either but managed >to hang in there, thanks in large part due to papy's dmg model :-) > >I wouldnt mind going back to single file restarts myself. It just makes >it nasty for the top 2-5 when guys are ducking/darting for spots at the >restart. Today clearly demonstrates this as we had somewhere near 5 >cautions on restart laps.. > >Congrats Tim White. the dominator!!

I disagree with the single file thing. New Hampshire is simply a bad track for restarts when you have slower cars to the inside. The problem is that you have to blast down the front straight and then slam on the brakes and everyone seemed to have different breaking points today. I was probably being over aggressive on restarts because when I was starting 3rd or 4th I kept running up on the cars in front of me, but I was really being pressured from behind. I will say this, lap down cars better make sure that they can hold a line going through the turn when you have lead lap cars on your outside. My apologies to John Simmons and whoever else I wrecked when I slammed on the brakes when the caution came out. Tim was trying to be a nice guy and give a lap back and by the time I realized what he was doing I had to swerve to avoid him and then I tried NOT to gain a "cheap position" and also give a lap back by slowing abuptly and ended up causing a big mess. Anyway, not one of my better days. Congrats to Tim... some day I'm gonna figure out how to beat this guy... I may just have to punt him on the last lap or something. :) Brian Oster

On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:31:45 GMT, Mitch_A <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>frederickson wrote: >> Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at me for >> telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get >> criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they are >> half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today??? >> >> >> > > >Just one of those days Fred.. Things just never really settled down and >it's a rough track for passing. I wasnt very lucky either but managed >to hang in there, thanks in large part due to papy's dmg model :-) > >I wouldnt mind going back to single file restarts myself. It just makes >it nasty for the top 2-5 when guys are ducking/darting for spots at the >restart. Today clearly demonstrates this as we had somewhere near 5 >cautions on restart laps.. > >Congrats Tim White. the dominator!!

I disagree with the single file thing. New Hampshire is simply a bad track for restarts when you have slower cars to the inside. The problem is that you have to blast down the front straight and then slam on the brakes and everyone seemed to have different breaking points today. I was probably being over aggressive on restarts because when I was starting 3rd or 4th I kept running up on the cars in front of me, but I was really being pressured from behind. I will say this, lap down cars better make sure that they can hold a line going through the turn when you have lead lap cars on your outside. My apologies to John Simmons and whoever else I wrecked when I slammed on the brakes when the caution came out. Tim was trying to be a nice guy and give a lap back and by the time I realized what he was doing I had to swerve to avoid him and then I tried NOT to gain a "cheap position" and also give a lap back by slowing abuptly and ended up causing a big mess. Anyway, not one of my better days. Congrats to Tim... some day I'm gonna figure out how to beat this guy... I may just have to punt him on the last lap or something. :) Brian Oster

What no one wants to understand is that you cant just give everyone their lap back at any yellow. The only reason you should give them a lap is if they are already behind or alongside you when the yellow comes out. Half the cars are still racing and then someone is going 30 MPH slower than everyone else, so that creates an accident. If you are halfway around the track from the leader dont expect to get your lap back, simple as that.

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> My apologies to John Simmons and whoever else I wrecked when I slammed > on the brakes when the caution came out. Tim was trying to be a nice > guy and give a lap back and by the time I realized what he was doing I > had to swerve to avoid him and then I tried NOT to gain a "cheap > position" and also give a lap back by slowing abuptly and ended up > causing a big mess. Anyway, not one of my better days. Congrats to > Tim... some day I'm gonna figure out how to beat this guy... I may > just have to punt him on the last lap or something. :) > > Brian Oster

It is definitely a judgement call on the leaders part. And really, no one should be flamed for not giving a lap back. Having said that, we are not racing for money or even for points so I believe we should give a lap back if possible. I have been *given* several laps back and I have reciprocated. Having raced with Tim several times now I know that he always tries to give people their laps back and that is probably why he called you out for not doing so when you were the leader. But in that particular case you probably would have had to almost stop to give the lap back so I don't think you did anything wrong, Tim just probably expected you to try. Brian Oster On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:52:35 -0400, "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What no one wants to understand is that you cant just give everyone their >lap back at any yellow. The only reason you should give them a lap is if >they are already behind or alongside you when the yellow comes out. Half the >cars are still racing and then someone is going 30 MPH slower than everyone >else, so that creates an accident. If you are halfway around the track from >the leader dont expect to get your lap back, simple as that. > > > > > >> My apologies to John Simmons and whoever else I wrecked when I slammed >> on the brakes when the caution came out. Tim was trying to be a nice >> guy and give a lap back and by the time I realized what he was doing I >> had to swerve to avoid him and then I tried NOT to gain a "cheap >> position" and also give a lap back by slowing abuptly and ended up >> causing a big mess. Anyway, not one of my better days. Congrats to >> Tim... some day I'm gonna figure out how to beat this guy... I may >> just have to punt him on the last lap or something. :) >> >> Brian Oster > >

NH is only a mile track... That would pretty much have put him on the backstretch :) For the record, John was nowhere near half a lap back. He was right behind me and I was almost right behind you. When I so parked the car in turn 4 to give him ample room I thought for sure you'd see it on your F2 screen or in your mirror and back off. So to be fair, it was me who made the 'mean' comment your referring to not John, sorry. You just caught me by surprise which is my excuse for the comment :) But I did try to make it up by trying to give the next caution back to John by pretty much taking out the whole field so don't feel too bad for my lack of track awareness. :) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1H5j9.142182$[email hidden]... Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at me for telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they are half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today???

Here's a reason to have double file restarts ... well two I can think of... When your able to get back on the lead lap under caution where you can then pit and have at least fresher tires than the leaders (if they don't pit) is just about the best feeling next to winning a race. I honestly do not understand why anyone would continue to race in any form if they were never able to get a lap back once they're down. And, most of us are here to learn. And learning track and situational awareness is in my opinion one of the most important aspects. Since we don't keep score, like a regular league, this is about the only place I know of that anyone can do that. I'd hate to see that go away. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lr6j9.5$[email hidden]... I wouldnt mind going back to single file restarts myself. It just makes it nasty for the top 2-5 when guys are ducking/darting for spots at the restart. Today clearly demonstrates this as we had somewhere near 5 cautions on restart laps..

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no it wasnt your comment i was talking about... there was a yellow flag where everyone just slowed down right after the line, and we who were in the back didnt know they were there, i slammed my brakes but couldnt stop in time and bumped jan in the back, the whole track was clogged. I then said "dont slam your brakes right after the finish line" and john told me to shut the fuck up "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w08j9.38235$[email hidden]... NH is only a mile track... That would pretty much have put him on the backstretch :) For the record, John was nowhere near half a lap back. He was right behind me and I was almost right behind you. When I so parked the car in turn 4 to give him ample room I thought for sure you'd see it on your F2 screen or in your mirror and back off. So to be fair, it was me who made the 'mean' comment your referring to not John, sorry. You just caught me by surprise which is my excuse for the comment :) But I did try to make it up by trying to give the next caution back to John by pretty much taking out the whole field so don't feel too bad for my lack of track awareness. :) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1H5j9.142182$[email hidden]... Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at me for telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they are half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today???

On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:19:40 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>NH is only a mile track... That would pretty much have put him on the backstretch :) > >For the record, John was nowhere near half a lap back. He was right behind me and I was almost right behind you. When I so parked the car in turn 4 to give him ample room I thought for sure you'd see it on your F2 screen or in your mirror and back off. > >So to be fair, it was me who made the 'mean' comment your referring to not John, sorry. You just caught me by surprise which is my excuse for the comment :) > >But I did try to make it up by trying to give the next caution back to John by pretty much taking out the whole field so don't feel too bad for my lack of track awareness. > >:)

Tim, I'm afraid I have to take credit for the last one. You did the right thing by slowing, if I was in the same position I would have done the same thing. If I would have been paying attention, I would have lifted the same time you did and not stopped at the s/f line in the middlfe of the track and blocked the entire track. I race with the F2 screen on all the time and usually I always have situation awareness at all times, but that caution caught me off guard. You were pretty close to the s/f line when the caution came out, but after I reviewed the replay, John could have safetly made up his lap if I hadn't blown it. My bad. Brian Oster

Again, as I have stated in this thread all ready the whole thing was my fault for not paying attention. I am sorry (and embarrassed) to have started this whole thing. I did effectively block the track so you are right, but John probably just felt bad that he ran into the back of me at the time (even though it really wasn't his fault) and is probably why he fired off the comment. Oh, apologies to Larry, I was wondering around aimlessly with my hood up over my roof and ran into larry... was not on purpose just was fumbling for the out of car camera view so I could make it back to the pits and park my destroyed hunk of shit. Brian Oster On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:17:27 -0400, "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>no it wasnt your comment i was talking about... there was a yellow flag >where everyone just slowed down right after the line, and we who were in the >back didnt know they were there, i slammed my brakes but couldnt stop in >time and bumped jan in the back, the whole track was clogged. I then said >"dont slam your brakes right after the finish line" and john told me to shut >the fuck up > > >"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:w08j9.38235$[email hidden]... >NH is only a mile track... That would pretty much have put him on the >backstretch :) > >For the record, John was nowhere near half a lap back. He was right behind >me and I was almost right behind you. When I so parked the car in turn 4 to >give him ample room I thought for sure you'd see it on your F2 screen or in >your mirror and back off. > >So to be fair, it was me who made the 'mean' comment your referring to not >John, sorry. You just caught me by surprise which is my excuse for the >comment :) > >But I did try to make it up by trying to give the next caution back to John >by pretty much taking out the whole field so don't feel too bad for my lack >of track awareness. > >:)

On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:28:32 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Here's a reason to have double file restarts ... well two I can think of... > >When your able to get back on the lead lap under caution where you can then pit and have at least fresher tires than the leaders (if they don't pit) is just about the best feeling next to winning a race. I honestly do not understand why anyone would continue to race in any form if they were never able to get a lap back once they're down. Agreed. At bristol I got a couple of laps down and I easily could have pitted and raced my way back on to the lead lap early in the race. With single file I spent the entire race trying to get back on the lead lap. Even though we had problems this week double file definitely needs to stay. With double file you still have hope if you go down a lap due to a bf or something. Brian Oster

frederickson wrote: > Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at me > for telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I > get criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they > are half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today??? First, you weren't up there with those guys to see what they did, and you didn't know why they did it. All you did was start bitching about people slamming on the brakes. Well, Tim decided he was gonna try to let me get a lap back and Brian didn't know he was gonna do it, and swerved to miss him, and I punted brian as a result because I saw what Tim was trying to do. Tim admitted it was a bad call. You shouldn't worry about not allowing me a lap back yourself because like you said, you were too far ahead to really do anything about it anyway without possibly loosing the lead (Ginger was right behind me anyway). However, I do have a bone to pick with Joon again, and for the same reason as last time. He was making a concerted effort to keep me from passing him even though I had the faster car, and even though I was MULITPLE laps down to his position. Once again, I think it was bad form because he was evidently trying to keep me between him and the car bhind me.

"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1H5j9.142182$[email hidden]... > Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at mefor > telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get > criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they are > half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today??? I missed the start due to the power going out, and was a lap down from the beginning. On lap 56 Ginger was in the lead with you behind him, and me third when he slowed down to let me get my lap back. You went by him and didn't let me get my lap either. Not sure if you just didn't realize what was going on or what. I'd been letting guys by the first 56 laps so as not to interfere too much in what was going on. On most any other track I'd just race hard in that situation to stay up front as I've done at other tracks to get laps back. That exchange kind of made me want to change my approach and only pick and choose who I made life easy for based on what they've done for me in the past. I'm guessing though you just didn't realize what Ginger was trying to do for me. No big deal actually. I wasn't enjoying that track at all anyway. What really bothered me was the attitude by what seemed like most everbody had towards a lapped car. I was getting dive bombed it seemed in a way that drivers on the lead lap weren't. Lucky for them I wasn't (a) trying to hold my position 100% (b) in a bad mood or I could have made sure they lost a lot of time. David G Fisher

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> On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:31:45 GMT, Mitch_A <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >>frederickson wrote: >>> Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at me >>> for telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I >>> get criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though they >>> are half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today??? >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>Just one of those days Fred.. Things just never really settled down and >>it's a rough track for passing. I wasnt very lucky either but managed >>to hang in there, thanks in large part due to papy's dmg model :-) >> >>I wouldnt mind going back to single file restarts myself. It just makes >>it nasty for the top 2-5 when guys are ducking/darting for spots at the >>restart. Today clearly demonstrates this as we had somewhere near 5 >>cautions on restart laps.. >> >>Congrats Tim White. the dominator!! > > I disagree with the single file thing.

Ditto. The lap cars problem was that the new guy wasn't proceeding briskly enough off the line and was really causing a mess with lapped cars that were much faster that had the bad luck of being behind him - the one instance that really sticks out is the restart where mack was followed by dave and then myself, and Dave had to check-up to keep from punting mack, and I had to check-up to keep from punting Dave (but that did not succeed). It didn't help either that cars on the lead lap were forcing a THREE-WIDE situation through turn 1 ( Brian :) ). > I will > say this, lap down cars better make sure that they can hold a line > going through the turn when you have lead lap cars on your outside. In dicey situations, I was downshifting to 3rd in the turns in order to maintain better control at the lower speeds. This helped to keep me from drifting up into outside cars. > My apologies to John Simmons No worries. :)

On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:26:57 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Ditto. The lap cars problem was that the new guy wasn't proceeding briskly >enough off the line and was really causing a mess with lapped cars that >were much faster that had the bad luck of being behind him - the one >instance that really sticks out is the restart where mack was followed by >dave and then myself, and Dave had to check-up to keep from punting mack, >and I had to check-up to keep from punting Dave (but that did not succeed). >It didn't help either that cars on the lead lap were forcing a THREE-WIDE >situation through turn 1 ( Brian :) ). >

Actually, I don't think I was the one who *forced* the 3-wide. I was in the middle which is one place I really try to avoid. As soon as I realized this I tried to lift off and maintain my line, but... I probably was guilty of being over aggessive on the restarts though. I had gained track postion on Tim by a pit strat move and I was determined to keep him behind me and make him pass me. Brian Oster

> However, I do have a bone to pick with Joon again, and for the same reason > as last time. He was making a concerted effort to keep me from passinghim > even though I had the faster car, and even though I was MULITPLE laps down > to his position. Once again, I think it was bad form because he was > evidently trying to keep me between him and the car bhind me. joon does that every week every lap

Yeah, I just pretty much entered the turns high and let anyone faster go on by. I reached my goal of staying on the lead lap so I'm happy :) -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CM6j9.127081$[email hidden]...

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> "Mitch_A" wrote... > > frederickson wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > > Just one of those days Fred.. Things just never really > > settled down and it's a rough track for passing. I > > wasnt very lucky either but managed to hang in there, > > thanks in large part due to papy's dmg model :-) > > > > I wouldnt mind going back to single file restarts myself. > > It just makes it nasty for the top 2-5 when guys are > > ducking/darting for spots at the restart. Today clearly > > demonstrates this as we had somewhere near 5 cautions on > > restart laps.. > > > > Congrats Tim White. the dominator!! > > Tim surely was the man to beat today... kudos. > > Disagree on the restart theory... I think lead lap cars need to show more > solidarity and, instead of trying to capitalize on lap cars mixing it with > the lead lap cars, try to keep the lap cars on the bottom until they're a) > shuffled back sufficiently not to interfere with, say, the top6 and b) the > field has settled enough for them to merge safely. Seeing the flag in

Nascar > races is all about driving with your brain and showing some give and take > among the drivers. If it backfires in one race, there's always the > opportunity to keep that in mind in future. What comes around, goesaround.

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> We understood eachother well (I think) this time. Larry didn't give me a > hard time at a track he happens to be uncomfortable at... I'm sure he now > expects the same of me. > > Jan. > =--- > >

Braking points are definitely an issue at this track. I felt like everyone could dive in deeper than I was, and I never figured out what I was doing wrong/different. So I just stayed the hell out of the way :) -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:31:45 GMT, Mitch_A <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >frederickson wrote: > >> Well during the race i got wrecked 2 times, and mr. Simmons yells at mefor > >> telling people not to slam on the brakes after a yellow flag. And I get > >> criticized for not letting cars have their lap back even though theyare

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> >> half a mile behind me. What the heck is going on today??? > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >Just one of those days Fred.. Things just never really settled down and > >it's a rough track for passing. I wasnt very lucky either but managed > >to hang in there, thanks in large part due to papy's dmg model :-) > > > >I wouldnt mind going back to single file restarts myself. It just makes > >it nasty for the top 2-5 when guys are ducking/darting for spots at the > >restart. Today clearly demonstrates this as we had somewhere near 5 > >cautions on restart laps.. > > > >Congrats Tim White. the dominator!! > > I disagree with the single file thing. New Hampshire is simply a bad > track for restarts when you have slower cars to the inside. The > problem is that you have to blast down the front straight and then > slam on the brakes and everyone seemed to have different breaking > points today. I was probably being over aggressive on restarts > because when I was starting 3rd or 4th I kept running up on the cars > in front of me, but I was really being pressured from behind. I will > say this, lap down cars better make sure that they can hold a line > going through the turn when you have lead lap cars on your outside. > > My apologies to John Simmons and whoever else I wrecked when I slammed > on the brakes when the caution came out. Tim was trying to be a nice > guy and give a lap back and by the time I realized what he was doing I > had to swerve to avoid him and then I tried NOT to gain a "cheap > position" and also give a lap back by slowing abuptly and ended up > causing a big mess. Anyway, not one of my better days. Congrats to > Tim... some day I'm gonna figure out how to beat this guy... I may > just have to punt him on the last lap or something. :) > > Brian Oster

I think Mack was trying to do the right thing during the race, but the problem was he was SO far off the pace, stuff was happening too quick. That's what happened when I got into Mitch early in the race. I came up on the green 150 (Mack) so damned fast that all I could do was go right and hope no one was there. My spotter hadn't been saying anything, but he was apparantly just above and behind me. Loudon isn't a place where you can slap on the brakes and swerve becuase you'll end up being a pinwheel taking half the field out. Rough place. I say dig it up :) -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Maj9.506568$[email hidden]... > Brian Oster wrote: > Ditto. The lap cars problem was that the new guy wasn't proceedingbriskly > enough off the line and was really causing a mess with lapped cars that > were much faster that had the bad luck of being behind him - the one > instance that really sticks out is the restart where mack was followed by > dave and then myself, and Dave had to check-up to keep from punting mack, > and I had to check-up to keep from punting Dave (but that did notsucceed). > It didn't help either that cars on the lead lap were forcing a THREE-WIDE > situation through turn 1 ( Brian :) ).

No biggie Brian :) -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Again, as I have stated in this thread all ready the whole thing was > my fault for not paying attention. I am sorry (and embarrassed) to > have started this whole thing. I did effectively block the track so > you are right, but John probably just felt bad that he ran into the > back of me at the time (even though it really wasn't his fault) and is > probably why he fired off the comment. Oh, apologies to Larry, I was > wondering around aimlessly with my hood up over my roof and ran into > larry... was not on purpose just was fumbling for the out of car > camera view so I could make it back to the pits and park my destroyed > hunk of shit. > > Brian Oster > > On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:17:27 -0400, "frederickson" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >no it wasnt your comment i was talking about... there was a yellow flag > >where everyone just slowed down right after the line, and we who were in

the > >back didnt know they were there, i slammed my brakes but couldnt stop in > >time and bumped jan in the back, the whole track was clogged. I then said > >"dont slam your brakes right after the finish line" and john told me toshut

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> >the fuck up > > > > > >"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:w08j9.38235$[email hidden]... > >NH is only a mile track... That would pretty much have put him on the > >backstretch :) > > > >For the record, John was nowhere near half a lap back. He was right

behind > >me and I was almost right behind you. When I so parked the car in turn 4to > >give him ample room I thought for sure you'd see it on your F2 screen orin > >your mirror and back off. > > > >So to be fair, it was me who made the 'mean' comment your referring tonot > >John, sorry. You just caught me by surprise which is my excuse for the > >comment :) > > > >But I did try to make it up by trying to give the next caution back toJohn > >by pretty much taking out the whole field so don't feel too bad for mylack > >of track awareness. > > > >:) >

"David G Fisher" wrote... > > <snip> > I missed the start due to the power going out, and was a > lap down from the beginning. Terrible luck David. > On lap 56 Ginger was in the lead with you behind him, and > me third when he slowed down to let me get my lap back. > You went by him and didn't let me get my lap either. Not > sure if you just didn't realize what was going on or what. Dave, when you reconnected your car appeared plain green with no numbers on it. I only knew it was you because you were the only one on the inside line on the first restart. Not saying this had anything to do with it, but your appearance in the race was quite different from your "signature" one and it might have added to Fred's confusion.

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> I'd been letting guys by the first 56 laps so as not to > interfere too much in what was going on. On most any other > track I'd just race hard in that situation to stay up > front as I've done at other tracks to get laps back. That > exchange kind of made me want to change my approach and > only pick and choose who I made life easy for based on what > they've done for me in the past. I'm guessing though you > just didn't realize what Ginger was trying to do for me. No > big deal actually. I wasn't enjoying that track at all > anyway.

Hehehe... sour grapes. ;-)) > What really bothered me was the attitude by what seemed > like most everbody had towards a lapped car. I was getting > dive bombed it seemed in a way that drivers on the lead > lap weren't. Lucky for them I wasn't (a) trying to hold > my position 100% (b) in a bad mood or I could have made > sure they lost a lot of time. I think there were a lot of different approaches to the turns being used last night. Which is cool, as long as people hold their lines. Jan. =---

Braking points are definitely an issue at this track. I felt like everyone could dive in deeper than I was, and I never figured out what I was doing wrong/different. So I just stayed the hell out of the way :) -Larry ------------------------------ During practice I followed Cole Trickle;-). He showed me that going with a high entry into the turns, I could then turn in and accelerate out faster. It took .3 off my lap times. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.46 MoGPL Rank + 349.43 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

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> >> However, I do have a bone to pick with Joon again, and for the same >> reason >> as last time. He was making a concerted effort to keep me from passing > him >> even though I had the faster car, and even though I was MULITPLE laps >> down >> to his position. Once again, I think it was bad form because he was >> evidently trying to keep me between him and the car bhind me. > > joon does that every week every lap

My wife was watching a little yesterday and even suggested that I do a bump-n-run on him... :) I just might next time...

better try and start in 1st or 2nd, next time <bg,d&r> Achim "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dq9j9.45870$ik2.7593@fe02... > I'm beginning to think it was good I blew 4th gear at the start. > ;-)

I saw that too, but couldn't quite do it without locking up-losing control. "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > During practice I followed Cole Trickle;-). He showed me that going with a > high entry into the turns, I could then turn in and accelerate out faster. > It took .3 off my lap times. > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7Daj9.506534$[email hidden]... > However, I do have a bone to pick with Joon again, and for the same reason > as last time. He was making a concerted effort to keep me from passinghim > even though I had the faster car, and even though I was MULITPLE laps down > to his position. Once again, I think it was bad form because he was > evidently trying to keep me between him and the car bhind me. > When was this? I thought I gave you a lap back? My goal at this track was to not do any stupid stuff and cause wrecks like I did last week at Dover. I think I was somewhat succesful, seeing as how I had only 1 incident where I was rear ended. Seems like I did force somebody into the wall one time, but not intentionally. Just overdrove the turn and couldn't hold it low. Could you tell me what lap so I can see what I did wrong?

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> frederickson wrote: > >> >>> However, I do have a bone to pick with Joon again, and for the same >>> reason >>> as last time. He was making a concerted effort to keep me from >>> passing him even though I had the faster car, and even though I was >>> MULITPLE laps down >>> to his position. Once again, I think it was bad form because he was >>> evidently trying to keep me between him and the car bhind me. >> >> joon does that every week every lap > > My wife was watching a little yesterday and even suggested that I do a > bump-n-run on him... :) > > I just might next time...

Wife suggests bump-n-run, hmmmm, you sure she was referring to the race? :) Don Burnette

"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XZbj9.261026$[email hidden]... > > joon does that every week every lap > You cut me deep, fredrickson, you cut me deep....

I agree. At first I thought, man who IS this idiot, somedody eject him before someone gets killed :) But after awhile I noticed he was consistant so it became clear he was not doing anything intentional just new at it. And yes, that was my biggest fear as well that coming up on him so fast I'd get hit. But he Was holding his line. The coolest part of racing with him was when it was over, after getting so waxed by everyone, and we all were in chat and he typed... "Man that was awesome! Thanks!!!" LOL :) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ioej9.13199$[email hidden]... I think Mack was trying to do the right thing during the race, but the problem was he was SO far off the pace, stuff was happening too quick. That's what happened when I got into Mitch early in the race. I came up on the green 150 (Mack) so damned fast that all I could do was go right and hope no one was there. My spotter hadn't been saying anything, but he was apparantly just above and behind me. Loudon isn't a place where you can slap on the brakes and swerve becuase you'll end up being a pinwheel taking half the field out. Rough place. I say dig it up :) -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Maj9.506568$[email hidden]... > Brian Oster wrote: > Ditto. The lap cars problem was that the new guy wasn't proceeding briskly > enough off the line and was really causing a mess with lapped cars that > were much faster that had the bad luck of being behind him - the one > instance that really sticks out is the restart where mack was followed by > dave and then myself, and Dave had to check-up to keep from punting mack, > and I had to check-up to keep from punting Dave (but that did not succeed). > It didn't help either that cars on the lead lap were forcing a THREE-WIDE > situation through turn 1 ( Brian :) ).

> > On lap 56 Ginger was in the lead with you behind him, and > > me third when he slowed down to let me get my lap back. > > You went by him and didn't let me get my lap either. Not > > sure if you just didn't realize what was going on or what. > > Dave, when you reconnected your car appeared plain green with no numberson > it. I only knew it was you because you were the only one on the insideline > on the first restart. Not saying this had anything to do with it, but your > appearance in the race was quite different from your "signature" one andit > might have added to Fred's confusion. Yea, when I saw Ginger slowing down, i didnt know what he was doing and went by him, then when i was nearing the line i saw dave coming and hit the brakes(since no one else was behind me), but it was too late.

I'm afraid I made a terrible impression last night. Altough I was able to hold a steady pace I made 4 stupid ass mistakes, and caused 1 yellow :-( -first mistake was when I was in the lead, I decided in the middle of T3 to give John a lap back when there was a yellow. I now realise I should've waited till the front-stretch before lifting, because I overdrove the turn and ended up in the wall. -Being in the lead again at a restart I overdrove T1 and stupidly downshifted to 3rd, causing a spin and a yellow . #24 hit me because of this (sorry about that frederickson) -When overtaken Mack on the back-stretch I returned to the groove way to early, cutting him off. Luckily we both were able to continue our ride. (sorry Mack) -Last one was when I went below the yellow line in T2, car went loose and I hit the inside wall. > And, most of us are here to learn. And learning track and situational > awareness is in my opinion one of the most important aspects. I'm glad this comment came up. Altough I drove my first-ever (not counting pick-up) race at RASCAR, and have learned a lot since, I realise every week there's still a lot to learn for me. cheers, jurjen (enjoying the great races we have)

Ditto... -Larry "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Cakj9.145865$[email hidden]... > I saw that too, but couldn't quite do it without locking up-losingcontrol. > > "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > During practice I > followed Cole Trickle;-). He showed me that going with a > > high entry into the turns, I could then turn in and accelerate outfaster.

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> > It took .3 off my lap times. > > > > -- > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > >