OT - Building new system this weekend...

Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP 1800+ system this weekend. It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line with AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's my first Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB of Corsair PC2700 RAM. Anyone built one of these yet ? -Larry

I had not heard of the IT7-Max2, until your message I was thinking of getting a BD7-II-Raid . . . I wondered why the priced dropped! Great now I am looking at this motherboard instead. From what I can tell the only difference between the IT7 and the IT7-Max2 is the Max2 has the Serial IDE capability. I am wondering if the motherboard will still be a good enough by the time this technology is cheep enough for me to buy? In-other-words -- I wonder if the $50 extra now is worth it, if the serial IDE hard disk won't be in full production by the end of this year. Because lets face it, I will prolly want to upgrade in two or so years and if by that time I have not purchased a serial IDE hard disk is it worth it? Sounds like a great system! SLG "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP 1800+ >system this weekend. > >It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line with >AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's my first >Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. > >I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB of Corsair >PC2700 RAM. > >Anyone built one of these yet ? > >-Larry > >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

You think about this stuff too hard :) My thinking was a lot simpler. I wanted to try a P4 this time since they re down to around $260 for the boxed version (I don't do OEM processors), and I just looked for the most feature-rich board I could find. With TEN USB 2.0 ports, THREE FireWire ports, PS/2 ports, SATA, RAID, etc... this just looked like the right one to me :) If it turns out to be a pain in the ass, then I'll just get the best Intel based board they sell. I'm not into overclocking, and demand stability. All these features are nice, but if they bring misery I'll pull it out and go with the simpler, but utterly reliable Intel board. Reviews are slim because it is literally just-released. It's hard to find, but www.spartantech.com has them, and I've ordered nearly all of my last 5 machines worth of goodies from them with perfect service. There was one review linked to by www.hardocp.com a day or so ago, and it compared the board against the ASUS. It indicated that the ASUS had a few benifits, but the ABIT IT7-Max2 was overwhelmingly chosen as the best board. I don't do VIA. The SIS648 is intruiging, but it's too new and the bugs aren't worked out yet. And that's how I ended up here :) -Larry "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I had not heard of the IT7-Max2, until your message I was thinking of > getting a BD7-II-Raid . . . I wondered why the priced dropped! Great > now I am looking at this motherboard instead. From what I can tell the > only difference between the IT7 and the IT7-Max2 is the Max2 has the > Serial IDE capability. I am wondering if the motherboard will still be > a good enough by the time this technology is cheep enough for me to > buy? In-other-words -- I wonder if the $50 extra now is worth it, if > the serial IDE hard disk won't be in full production by the end of > this year. Because lets face it, I will prolly want to upgrade in two > or so years and if by that time I have not purchased a serial IDE hard > disk is it worth it? Sounds like a great system! > > SLG > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP 1800+ > >system this weekend. > > > >It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line with > >AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's my

first > >Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. > > > >I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB ofCorsair

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> >PC2700 RAM. > > > >Anyone built one of these yet ? > > > >-Larry > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > due to too many English classes/teachers) > >

Spartan is a pretty god place to deal with. They are usally my second choice over newegg unless I need something fast. Being Spartan is just a state away I get stuff from them in a day or two with ground shipping. MadDAWG

If you want to be ahead of the curve look into the ASUS P4T533 and a P4 2.53. The 533 Front Side Bus takes full advantage of the P4 2.53 and up. This is one of the only Motherboards that currently have the 533 Front Side Bus/1066mhz Rambus Ram. The key to the speed. Combined with the 1066mhz Rambus Ram it has the biggest pipe going. I built one of these last week and it flies!!! 140fps sitting in the pits at Bristol in N2K2. My system: ASUS P4T533 MB Pent P4 2.53, OC'ed to 2.8 at the moment. (will go to 3.01 with no prob) FSB upped to 560mhz. 512mb of 32 bit 1066 Rambus Ram (Samsung) Ti4400, OC'ed to 308mhz core and 668mhz memory. SoundBlaster Audigy. Real Sweet!! :-) (note: the P4T533-C uses the 16bit rambus and not the 32bit) Larry wrote:

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> Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP 1800+ > system this weekend. > > It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line with > AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's my first > Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. > > I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB of Corsair > PC2700 RAM. > > Anyone built one of these yet ? > > -Larry

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

Warning Label: Taking motherboard advice from Ric Seyler is sort of like taking Etiquette advice from Randy Moss. <VBG> ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc

Who's Randy Moss, ya Kiddie!! LOL I'm trying to find info about OC'ing the AGP/PCI bus. It seems most of the overclocking pages are in a different language. Those Europeans must be Mad Overclockers. ;-) I think OC'ing the AGP/PCI separately must be a feature limited to this new board. I can't find any info about it...... "Scott B. Husted" wrote:

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> Warning Label: Taking motherboard advice from Ric Seyler is sort of like taking > Etiquette advice from Randy Moss. <VBG> ;) > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > > >

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

LOL =) I'm not the worlds biggest O/Cer Ric so I'm not of much help in that area. You might want to take a look in the forums at Anandtech and Mad Onion. You can usually find someone who is doing some kind of "unique" overclocking there. I've planned on O/Cing my AMD XP 2000+ and my MSI GF4 4600 (Very overclockable)... but I just haven't gotten around to it. -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Who's Randy Moss, ya Kiddie!! LOL I'm trying to find info about OC'ing the AGP/PCI bus. It seems most of the overclocking pages are in a different language. Those Europeans must be Mad Overclockers. ;-) I think OC'ing the AGP/PCI separately must be a feature limited to this new board. I can't find any info about it...... "Scott B. Husted" wrote: Warning Label: Taking motherboard advice from Ric Seyler is sort of like taking Etiquette advice from Randy Moss. <VBG> ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

I'm using the new Omega drivers. They will allow OC'ing the video card, plus it comes with Artifact2. A cool program that will test the speeds you selected. If artifacts are detected you just back down a notch. It lets you go to the limit without worrying about damaging your card. I have two full size fans blowing across both sides of the video card, so I can squeek a few more mhz out of it. :-) "Scott B. Husted" wrote:

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> LOL =) I'm not the worlds biggest O/Cer Ric so I'm not of much help in that > area. You might want to take a look in the forums at Anandtech and Mad Onion. You > can usually find someone who is doing some kind of "unique" overclocking > there. I've planned on O/Cing my AMD XP 2000+ and my MSI GF4 4600 (Very > overclockable)... but I just haven't gotten around to it. > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]...Who's Randy Moss, ya Kiddie!! LOL > > I'm trying to find info about OC'ing the > AGP/PCI bus. It seems most of the overclocking > pages are in a different language. Those Europeans > must be Mad Overclockers. ;-) > > I think OC'ing the AGP/PCI separately must be > a feature limited to this new board. I can't find any > info about it...... > > > > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > Warning Label: Taking motherboard advice from Ric Seyler is sort of > > like taking Etiquette advice from Randy Moss. <VBG> ;) > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > PA-Scott > > ICQ# 4395450 > > http://www.Husted.cc > > > > > > > -- > Ric Seyler > Online Racing: RicSeyler > GPL Handicap 7.01 > [email hidden] > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > -------------------------------------- > "Homer no function beer well without." > - H.J. Simpson > >

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

Larry, I ask your opinion only because I see what you like when you build systems, seems like good criteria, but I don't know... So here's maybe a dumb question, but is there a decent p4 motherboard for the >2 Ghz chips anyway, that still has at least on ISA slot on them? I know I should get a modem that goes into pci, but I didn't yet. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fmZk9.34163$[email hidden]... > Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP 1800+ > system this weekend. > > It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line with > AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's myfirst > Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. > > I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB ofCorsair

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> PC2700 RAM. > > Anyone built one of these yet ? > > -Larry > >

Spartan has also recently improved thier shipping charges. Considerably. My stuff came overnight fedex for $34, which is very reasonable. In the past, it would cost like $60 for the same shipment. I prefer Fedex, though. UPS did not disappoint and delivered the box all crunched up and absolutely soaking wet. Luckily, the items inside weren't touched. And for some bizarre reason, the UPS branch where I live does not allow same-night pickups at the branch. -Larry "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Spartan is a pretty god place to deal with. They are usally my secondchoice > over newegg unless I need something fast. Being Spartan is just a stateaway > I get stuff from them in a day or two with ground shipping. > > MadDAWG > >

Thanks, but I'll skip on the RAMBUS. It's a personal thing :) -Larry "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... If you want to be ahead of the curve look into the ASUS P4T533 and a P4 2.53. The 533 Front Side Bus takes full advantage of the P4 2.53 and up. This is one of the only Motherboards that currently have the 533 Front Side Bus/1066mhz Rambus Ram. The key to the speed. Combined with the 1066mhz Rambus Ram it has the biggest pipe going. I built one of these last week and it flies!!! 140fps sitting in the pits at Bristol in N2K2. My system: ASUS P4T533 MB Pent P4 2.53, OC'ed to 2.8 at the moment. (will go to 3.01 with no prob) FSB upped to 560mhz. 512mb of 32 bit 1066 Rambus Ram (Samsung) Ti4400, OC'ed to 308mhz core and 668mhz memory. SoundBlaster Audigy. Real Sweet!! :-) (note: the P4T533-C uses the 16bit rambus and not the 32bit) Larry wrote: Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP 1800+ system this weekend. It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line with AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's my first Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB of Corsair PC2700 RAM. Anyone built one of these yet ? -Larry -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

Hmmm.... Not sure. I don't look for ISA slots these days. I haven't seen one in a long time, especially for the P4 systems. I have to say, I wouldn't base a board decision on the ability to use an ISA based modem. I prefer external modems anyway. Most, if not all, internal modems these days are Winmodems which I despise greatly. Is there something special about this modem ? -Larry "Plowboy" <Plowboy'[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d94ced9$[email hidden]...

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> Larry, > > I ask your opinion only because I see what you like when you build > systems, seems like good criteria, but I don't know... > > So here's maybe a dumb question, but is there a decent p4 motherboard for > the >2 Ghz chips anyway, that still has at least on ISA slot on them? I > know I should get a modem that goes into pci, but I didn't yet. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fmZk9.34163$[email hidden]... > > Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP

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> > system this weekend. > > > > It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line with > > AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's my > first > > Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. > > > > I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB of > Corsair > > PC2700 RAM. > > > > Anyone built one of these yet ? > > > > -Larry > > > > > >

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> > Hmmm.... Not sure. I don't look for ISA slots these days. > > I haven't seen one in a long time, especially for the P4 systems. > > I have to say, I wouldn't base a board decision on the ability to use an ISA > based modem. I prefer external modems anyway. Most, if not all, internal > modems these days are Winmodems which I despise greatly. > > Is there something special about this modem ?

I believe the answer is in your own post actually :-), if it's and ISA based modem it's not a WinModem, at least I've never seen a ISA WinModem Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Agreed. But I wouldn't base such an important decision on an ISA slot, especially since they are all but gone these days. I think an external hardware modem is a better idea, along with the motherboard you _really_ want :) I prefer the USR Courier V.Everythings myself, but most can't stomach the price. -Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Larry wrote: > > > > Hmmm.... Not sure. I don't look for ISA slots these days. > > > > I haven't seen one in a long time, especially for the P4 systems. > > > > I have to say, I wouldn't base a board decision on the ability to use an

ISA > > based modem. I prefer external modems anyway. Most, if not all,internal

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> > modems these days are Winmodems which I despise greatly. > > > > Is there something special about this modem ? > > I believe the answer is in your own post actually :-), if it's and ISA > based modem it's not a WinModem, at least I've never seen a ISA WinModem > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

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> > Agreed. > > But I wouldn't base such an important decision on an ISA slot, especially > since they are all but gone these days. > > I think an external hardware modem is a better idea, along with the > motherboard you _really_ want :) > > I prefer the USR Courier V.Everythings myself, but most can't stomach the > price.

I totally agree, if you're going to upgrade, do it properly and don't cut important corners, unless of course you're on a *really* tight budget Having said that though, WinModems aren't half as bad as they used to be, the modems themselves had probably gotten better and our PC's have a "little" more power now than when they first came out, so while I still wouldn't get one if I had a choice I'm not sure how much it actually hurts your online gaming these days Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

A Ramsist huh?!? ;-) Larry wrote:

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> Thanks, but I'll skip on the RAMBUS. It's a personal thing :) -Larry > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]...If you want to be ahead of the > curve look into > the ASUS P4T533 and a P4 2.53. The 533 Front Side Bus > takes full advantage of the P4 2.53 and up. > This is one of the only Motherboards that currently have the > 533 Front Side Bus/1066mhz Rambus Ram. The key to the speed. > Combined with the 1066mhz Rambus Ram it has the biggest pipe going. > I built one of these last week and it flies!!! > 140fps sitting in the pits at Bristol in N2K2. > My system: > ASUS P4T533 MB > Pent P4 2.53, OC'ed to 2.8 at the moment. (will go to 3.01 with no prob) > FSB upped to 560mhz. > 512mb of 32 bit 1066 Rambus Ram (Samsung) > Ti4400, OC'ed to 308mhz core and 668mhz memory. > SoundBlaster Audigy. > > Real Sweet!! :-) > > (note: the P4T533-C uses the 16bit rambus and not the 32bit) > > Larry wrote: > > > Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP > > 1800+ > > system this weekend. > > > > It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line > > with > > AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's my > > first > > Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. > > > > I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB of > > Corsair > > PC2700 RAM. > > > > Anyone built one of these yet ? > > > > -Larry > > -- > Ric Seyler > Online Racing: RicSeyler > GPL Handicap 7.01 > [email hidden] > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > -------------------------------------- > "Homer no function beer well without." > - H.J. Simpson > >

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.02 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

How about "RAMBUSter?" ;0) -- Joe M. "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... A Ramsist huh?!? ;-) Larry wrote: Thanks, but I'll skip on the RAMBUS. It's a personal thing :) -Larry

Maybe Winmodems have improved... Nah, they all still suck and always will. Mfr's don't use them because they are good. They use them solely because they are cheap. -Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Larry wrote: > > > > Agreed. > > > > But I wouldn't base such an important decision on an ISA slot,

especially > > since they are all but gone these days. > > > > I think an external hardware modem is a better idea, along with the > > motherboard you _really_ want :) > > > > I prefer the USR Courier V.Everythings myself, but most can't stomachthe

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> > price. > > I totally agree, if you're going to upgrade, do it properly and don't > cut important corners, unless of course you're on a *really* tight > budget > > Having said that though, WinModems aren't half as bad as they used to > be, the modems themselves had probably gotten better and our PC's have a > "little" more power now than when they first came out, so while I still > wouldn't get one if I had a choice I'm not sure how much it actually > hurts your online gaming these days > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

Hehe "_ -Larry "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... A Ramsist huh?!? ;-) Larry wrote: Thanks, but I'll skip on the RAMBUS. It's a personal thing :) -Larry "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...If you want to be ahead of the curve look into the ASUS P4T533 and a P4 2.53. The 533 Front Side Bus takes full advantage of the P4 2.53 and up. This is one of the only Motherboards that currently have the 533 Front Side Bus/1066mhz Rambus Ram. The key to the speed. Combined with the 1066mhz Rambus Ram it has the biggest pipe going. I built one of these last week and it flies!!! 140fps sitting in the pits at Bristol in N2K2. My system: ASUS P4T533 MB Pent P4 2.53, OC'ed to 2.8 at the moment. (will go to 3.01 with no prob) FSB upped to 560mhz. 512mb of 32 bit 1066 Rambus Ram (Samsung) Ti4400, OC'ed to 308mhz core and 668mhz memory. SoundBlaster Audigy. Real Sweet!! :-) (note: the P4T533-C uses the 16bit rambus and not the 32bit) Larry wrote: Feeling the need for more speed, I'm upgrading my ABIT KG7/AthlonXP 1800+ system this weekend. It's been a while, and since the pricing is FINALLY getting in line with AMD, I've decided to build an Intel system this time around. It's my first Intel in a while, and it's my first P4 ever. I'm building an ABIT IT7-Max2 system with a 2.53Ghz P4 and 512MB of Corsair PC2700 RAM. Anyone built one of these yet ? -Larry -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.02 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

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> > Maybe Winmodems have improved... > > Nah, they all still suck and always will. > > Mfr's don't use them because they are good. They use them solely because > they are cheap.

Yes, that's why I use them......:-), people aren't willing to pay for quality so I sell them junk, simple as that Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--