slightly OT: USA F1 Race (no spoilers)

Hi all, For a change, the TV coverage on ITV was very good. Most incidents covered and some excellent in car footage. The bit with Panis behind the Toyota of Salo(I think) was brilliant. You could see how hard the Toyota was working to stay ahead. Also the footage included some excellent extra stats like the rev counter and some extra fuel load info. All in all, it kept the race interesting to watch. Won't comment further in case some of you are catching a delayed feed. Also, congrats to the winning Ryder Cup team. Won't mention more for same reason :) Regards all, istoff

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> Hi all, > > For a change, the TV coverage on ITV was very good. Most incidents > covered and some excellent in car footage. The bit with Panis behind > the Toyota of Salo(I think) was brilliant. You could see how hard the > Toyota was working to stay ahead. > > Also the footage included some excellent extra stats like the rev > counter and some extra fuel load info. >

They showed the digital master feed. Phil --- Race Sim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

Why am I paying �12 a race then if ITV get the digital feed now? Reasons apart from DH's ever more ridiculous hair style please! Iain "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:an7oqe$br970$[email hidden]...

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> "istoff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi all, > > > > For a change, the TV coverage on ITV was very good. Most incidents > > covered and some excellent in car footage. The bit with Panis behind > > the Toyota of Salo(I think) was brilliant. You could see how hard the > > Toyota was working to stay ahead. > > > > Also the footage included some excellent extra stats like the rev > > counter and some extra fuel load info. > > > > They showed the digital master feed. > > Phil > --- > Race Sim Central Administrator > http://www.racesimcentral.com > >

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>"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why am I paying �12 a race then if ITV get the digital feed now? You get more then a channel. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

No adverts, 8 channels to choose from and most importantly, NO JAMES ALLEN !! ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CgKl9.1943$[email hidden]... > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Why am I paying �12 a race then if ITV get the digital feed now? > > > You get more then a channel. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Why am I paying �12 a race then You're actually paying for the Digital feed.. Why? The rest of europe pays less than HALF what you've paid per race. You must LOVE being ripped off. I am ( that's slowly becoming past tense however) a huge F1 fan - but I would never pay 100% over the odd's to line the pockets of Murdoch and Ecclescake Especially when F1 of today is about as exciting as dental extraction. Doug

Good points guys! I take it all back, money well spent!!! "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:an7sr2$bvl$[email hidden]...

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> No adverts, 8 channels to choose from and most importantly, NO JAMES ALLEN > !! ;) > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CgKl9.1943$[email hidden]... > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Why am I paying �12 a race then if ITV get the digital feed now? > > > > > > You get more then a channel. > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > >

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ABC's coverage in the 'States had to be the hands down worst autoracing telecast ever. First they were losing the picture and audio periodically through the first half of the race, then the audio was out of sync during the driver interviews afterwards. They topped it off by cutting to commercial half-way through David Coulthard's comments and never got back to Barrichello. CFster

In article <[email hidden]>, istoff <[email hidden]> writes: > >For a change, the TV coverage on ITV was very good. Most incidents >covered and some excellent in car footage. The bit with Panis behind >the Toyota of Salo(I think) was brilliant. You could see how hard the >Toyota was working to stay ahead. > Glad your coverage was good, here in the States it was awfull. I found the announcers to be incomprehensible. When you see three drivers sitting in front of michrophones under bright lights with someone asking them questions, it's not necessary to have the host talking over them explaining that this is the post-race press conference. Then they switch away from the press conference halfway through to show a commercial we have already seen forty times during the race. Leave the racing coverage to Speed, the big three networks F it up every time. Don McCorkle

"CFster" <[email hidden]> writes: > ABC's coverage in the 'States had to be the hands down worst autoracing > telecast ever. First they were losing the picture and audio periodically > through the first half of the race, then the audio was out of sync during > the driver interviews afterwards. They topped it off by cutting to > commercial half-way through David Coulthard's comments and never got back to > Barrichello. Didn't ABC get the main feed from the digital coverage ? There were indeed problems with the feed in the first half, terrible at times, but usually, the digital coverage is king of motor racing covreage. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

Yep, complements to the US TV station responsible for the broadcast - this was excellent footage, lots of interesting info, none of the interesting things missing, yet not cluttered but fun to watch. F1 footage at its best :) BTW, I read Dan Gurney and Phil Hill are planning an all-american F1 team for next year. I always thought that's what Villeneuve's team is about? Oh yes, and Bernie seems to be thinking aloud about abolishing traction control, start control and a few other electronic driving aids because, as he says, F1 is not providing a good show. That might spread out the field considerably again in some teams. Achim "istoff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > For a change, the TV coverage on ITV was very good. Most incidents > covered and some excellent in car footage. The bit with Panis behind > the Toyota of Salo(I think) was brilliant. You could see how hard the > Toyota was working to stay ahead. > > Also the footage included some excellent extra stats like the rev > counter and some extra fuel load info. > > All in all, it kept the race interesting to watch. > > Won't comment further in case some of you are catching a delayed feed. > > Also, congrats to the winning Ryder Cup team. Won't mention more for > same reason :) > > > > Regards all, > istoff

> You must LOVE being ripped off. >Not really, there is no choice in the UK. If you want the digital 8-channel F1 experience, then it's �12 and that is that. It's your choice, if you don't want to pay Murdoch etc. then don't, but if you love F1, then the interactive F1 channel is excellent. In fact although it's �12 per race, they had a subscription offer of �50 for the last 7 races. > Especially when F1 of today is about as exciting as dental extraction. >Matter of opinion, really. Myself, I find it (US GP aside) interesting, always fascinating (if only sometimes for the politics) and sometimes exciting to watch. Mind you, I've been a BIG Schumi and Ferrari fan for years, so........ Iain -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > BTW, I read Dan Gurney and Phil Hill are planning an all-american F1 team > for next year. I always thought that's what Villeneuve's team is about? Villeneuve's team......you mean BAR, or British American Racing ? Current drivers - JV and Olivier Panis Current Head Honcho - Dave Richards Current Engine deal - Honda Based in......UK somewhere :-) Naa, I wouldn't call than an "All American" Team :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

In article <lpWl9.56832$[email hidden]>, "CFster" <[email hidden]> writes: >ABC's coverage in the 'States had to be the hands down worst autoracing >telecast ever. First they were losing the picture and audio periodically >through the first half of the race, then the audio was out of sync during >the driver interviews afterwards. They topped it off by cutting to >commercial half-way through David Coulthard's comments and never got back to >Barrichello. I've seen the audio out of sync several times this year, even on SpeedTV. But, cutting away from the interviews for a commercial was pretty damn stupid... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:an9bj8$ceqig$[email hidden]... > Yep, complements to the US TV station responsible for the broadcast Actually, it was Bernie's own crew this time. No local directors for his digital channels! I must say I liked it better too. Interesting to watch the rev counters. The rev band is much wider than I would have thought, from 10,000 - 18,000 rpm (Cosworth) to 13,000 - 19,000 in the Ilmor engine. The Cosworth seemed torquier too. Bye, Leo

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> > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:an9bj8$ceqig$[email hidden]... > >> Yep, complements to the US TV station responsible for the broadcast > > Actually, it was Bernie's own crew this time. No local directors for > his digital channels! I must say I liked it better too. Interesting to > watch the rev counters. The rev band is much wider than I would have > thought, from 10,000 - 18,000 rpm (Cosworth) to 13,000 - 19,000 in the > Ilmor engine. The Cosworth seemed torquier too. > > Bye, > Leo

Bernie said in the ITV interview that this would be the type of coverage for all of next year on ITV (and therefore I assume the other "world feed" channels). He also said the other teams have to improve their game to challenge Ferrari, that he would prefer to see a single standard tire for all teams, and that the cars should have no electronics and reduced aero. He pointed out that he personally, cannot do anything about these issues- the only man who can act in such a way would be Max Mosley through the safety agenda- everything else about the sport is down to the teams/manufacturers, and would require their complete consent. Of course, the usual muppets will still lay the blame for all F1s ills at his feet. cheers John

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> > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:an9bj8$ceqig$[email hidden]... > > > Yep, complements to the US TV station responsible for the broadcast > > Actually, it was Bernie's own crew this time. No local directors for his > digital channels! I must say I liked it better too. Interesting to watch

the > rev counters. The rev band is much wider than I would have thought, from > 10,000 - 18,000 rpm (Cosworth) to 13,000 - 19,000 in the Ilmor engine. The > Cosworth seemed torquier too. > > Bye, > Leo It's a good thing the Cosworth had all that torque..they needed it to get outta the way of the Ilmor/Daimler-Chrysler. And the Bmw...and the Ferrari...and the Honda.... :) dave henrie

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: > Interesting detail - I wondered whether it had been a TV crew linked to the > Indy circuit because although the fact that they were using Indy's own TV > installations as well (overhead and on-track cameras as well as a probably > perfect network of receivers for the in-car footage) certainly helped, but > the way they used their equipment somehow felt more like racefans doing the > job. There was more enthusiasm in the pictures that usually. The digital "bernievision" feed has always been like that the two years i've had it. The use approximately twice the number of cameras around the track than on the crap world feed. The editing is also a lot more fast paced. A friend of mine had done some student tv work and when he saw the F1 feed his jaw dropped. I think everyone will be getting this feed from now on, so for those of us who pay for the PPV coverage, the difference will be live practice and qual, and all the additional channels. Norwegian national tv still broadcast only one or two qual session a year, and all the races from the american continet are edited down to a 25 minute program.

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> Achim > > > "Leo Landman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:anakeh$gaa$[email hidden]... > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > > news:an9bj8$ceqig$[email hidden]... > > > > > Yep, complements to the US TV station responsible for the broadcast > > > > Actually, it was Bernie's own crew this time. No local directors for his > > digital channels! I must say I liked it better too. Interesting to watch > the > > rev counters. The rev band is much wider than I would have thought, from > > 10,000 - 18,000 rpm (Cosworth) to 13,000 - 19,000 in the Ilmor engine. The > > Cosworth seemed torquier too. > > > > Bye, > > Leo > > > > > >

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Interesting detail - I wondered whether it had been a TV crew linked to the Indy circuit because although the fact that they were using Indy's own TV installations as well (overhead and on-track cameras as well as a probably perfect network of receivers for the in-car footage) certainly helped, but the way they used their equipment somehow felt more like racefans doing the job. There was more enthusiasm in the pictures that usually. Achim "Leo Landman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anakeh$gaa$[email hidden]...

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> > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:an9bj8$ceqig$[email hidden]... > > > Yep, complements to the US TV station responsible for the broadcast > > Actually, it was Bernie's own crew this time. No local directors for his > digital channels! I must say I liked it better too. Interesting to watch

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> rev counters. The rev band is much wider than I would have thought, from > 10,000 - 18,000 rpm (Cosworth) to 13,000 - 19,000 in the Ilmor engine. The > Cosworth seemed torquier too. > > Bye, > Leo > >

Niki Lauda said on German TV that Jaguar had had probs getting the tires to work well under raceday temperatures, whereas they'd worked well in practice. Achim "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mL5m9.265357$Jo.117352@rwcrnsc53... ...

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> > It's a good thing the Cosworth had all that torque..they needed it > to get outta the way of the Ilmor/Daimler-Chrysler. And the Bmw...and the > Ferrari...and the Honda.... :) > > dave henrie > > >

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> > > Villeneuve's team......you mean BAR, or British American Racing ? > > Current drivers - JV and Olivier Panis > Current Head Honcho - Dave Richards > Current Engine deal - Honda > > Based in......UK somewhere :-)

Goes to show you don't play f1 2002 much... "designed in Brackley, England bla bla" ;-) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:17:12 +0200, Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > > > Villeneuve's team......you mean BAR, or British American Racing ? > > > > Current drivers - JV and Olivier Panis > > Current Head Honcho - Dave Richards > > Current Engine deal - Honda > > > > Based in......UK somewhere :-) > > Goes to show you don't play f1 2002 much... "designed in Brackley, > England bla bla" ;-)

Why on earth would I want to play an F1 game ? :-) AussieV8's!!! Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--