USGP question

McLaren was plastered with their West logos, so why weren't Ferrari and BAR covered with the usual tobacco marks?

Marlboro already advertises in the US with the Penske IRL team, so they can't advertise with the F1 cars. I assume that British American Racing's Tobacco money is also already tied up with a stateside sport.(are the BAR brands owned by Winston Salem?) And finally without any research, I would guess WEST brand has no other ties to US events and is therefore free to advertise here. If they had even some West sponsored rowboats here in the states, that might have precluded using their logos at the USGP. So I'm assuming they have no other presence commercially here. dave henrie "Brad Larocque" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > McLaren was plastered with their West logos, so why weren't Ferrari and > BAR covered with the usual tobacco marks? >

Because West is not marketed in the US "Brad Larocque" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > McLaren was plastered with their West logos, so why weren't Ferrari and > BAR covered with the usual tobacco marks? >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uVRl9.64416$wH.8832@sccrnsc01... > Marlboro already advertises in the US with the Penske IRL team, so they > can't advertise with the F1 cars. Why not? Doug

Dave Henrie wrote: > > Marlboro already advertises in the US with the Penske IRL team, so they > can't advertise with the F1 cars. I assume that British American Racing's > Tobacco money is also already tied up with a stateside sport.(are the BAR > brands owned by Winston Salem?) If you're right, it's pretty ironic that because Marlboro sponsors a team in the IRL which is built around the trademark which is Indy, other cars aren't allowed to fly the Marlboro logo when racing at said track I understand the intentions but it sure looks kinda stupid in this case Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uWTl9.11460$J47.998179@stones... > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uVRl9.64416$wH.8832@sccrnsc01... > > Marlboro already advertises in the US with the Penske IRL team, sothey

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> > can't advertise with the F1 cars. > > Why not? > > Doug > >IIRC, In the US the legislation governing advertising of tobacco products

allows each brand (or is it company?) to sponsor a team in only one raceing series. Since the biggest raceing event in the US is argueably the classic Indianapolis 500 in May (and therefore most attractive to advertisers) much of the tobacco industry is commited to the IRL. Tobacco money probably has a lot to do with the movement of several CART teams to the IRL in recent years. Marboro already sponsors the Penske IRL team, Winston-Salem is moving there with the new Micheal Andretti team, the British American tobacco company sponsors the Players team in CART, don't know about Benson &Hedges. West doesn't presently have any advertising presence in a USA raceing series so is free to run their livery on the McLaren - Mercedes. My best guess of the situation David

>IIRC, In the US the legislation governing advertising of tobacco products > allows each brand (or is it company?) to sponsor a team in only oneraceing > series. Wierd laws in the US Doug

> I understand the intentions but it sure looks kinda stupid in this case > Many more Americans are into the IRL than F1 therefore its a much better marketing choice. I think this is why a lot of the teams are going to the IRL over CART as well. MadDAWG

Same reason why Winston is having/had to pull out a drag racing. They could not sponsor two series so they sure were not going to drop Nascar. It is even tougher in Canada where Players has to get out all together although they are looking at creative ways of getting around that. If you noticed when Penske was in CART and went to race in Indy, they had to take Marlboro off of everything including the uniforms. -- Brian Tate Communications Officer CART Toyota Atlantic Championship http://www.toyotaatlantic.com http://www.cart.com "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > Marlboro already advertises in the US with the Penske IRL team, so they > > can't advertise with the F1 cars. I assume that British American Racing's > > Tobacco money is also already tied up with a stateside sport.(are the BAR > > brands owned by Winston Salem?) > > If you're right, it's pretty ironic that because Marlboro sponsors a > team in the IRL which is built around the trademark which is Indy, other > cars aren't allowed to fly the Marlboro logo when racing at said track > > I understand the intentions but it sure looks kinda stupid in this case > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:an95c7$bq4uj$[email hidden]... > >IIRC, In the US the legislation governing advertising of tobaccoproducts

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> > allows each brand (or is it company?) to sponsor a team in only one > raceing > > series. > > Wierd laws in the US > > Doug

We've got plenty more that make those seem sane. Basically a few years ago the Big Tabacco companies got caught lying to Congress. They ended up with a huge lawsuit from most of the individual States. To settle the suits, Tabacco agreed to limit it's exposure to one sporting series per year. That's why when Helio Castro-Neves won the Indy race two years ago, his Penske car was blank, because, at the time, Team Penske raced in the CART series not the IRL(which runs the Indy 500) This is also the same law that prompted Penske to switch from CART to the irl so that when Helio was given the race win through less than ethical rulings, his car could be seen with Marlboro splattered all over it. dave henrie

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> > > I understand the intentions but it sure looks kinda stupid in this case > > > > Many more Americans are into the IRL than F1 therefore its a much better > marketing choice. I think this is why a lot of the teams are going to the > IRL over CART as well.

Oh I understand Marlboro's choice in this case, doing anything else would be rather silly of them, it's just looks weird that because Marlboro is allowed to sponsor only one racing series in the US, currently the IRL, it means that when the international F1 circus arrives at what is the arguably one of the most famous racing tracks in the world and round which the IRL is built after all, the F1 cars can't display the Marlboro logo..... I guess it makes sense to those who wrote the law at least :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

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> > Same reason why Winston is having/had to pull out a drag racing. They could > not sponsor two series so they sure were not going to drop Nascar. It is > even tougher in Canada where Players has to get out all together although > they are looking at creative ways of getting around that. > > If you noticed when Penske was in CART and went to race in Indy, they had to > take Marlboro off of everything including the uniforms.

And who's fault is this ? Bet you were a beta tester for this law Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

> I guess it makes sense to those who wrote the law at least :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy I gave up trying to figure those losers out a long time ago. MadDAWG

that shouldn't seem like a bother to F1 teams though. The races in Britain and france have all the tobacco logos removed too. So its not like this is the only race where it happens Goy Larsen wrote:

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> > MadDAWG wrote: > >>>I understand the intentions but it sure looks kinda stupid in this case >>> >>> >>Many more Americans are into the IRL than F1 therefore its a much better >>marketing choice. I think this is why a lot of the teams are going to the >>IRL over CART as well. >> > > Oh I understand Marlboro's choice in this case, doing anything else > would be rather silly of them, it's just looks weird that because > Marlboro is allowed to sponsor only one racing series in the US, > currently the IRL, it means that when the international F1 circus > arrives at what is the arguably one of the most famous racing tracks in > the world and round which the IRL is built after all, the F1 cars can't > display the Marlboro logo..... > > I guess it makes sense to those who wrote the law at least :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx-- >

I thought that all West advertising had something to do with teddy bears not tobacco What Racing Legends has got to do with F1 I have no idea. You have to give it to those guys, getting Ron Dennis to support their vapourware! Cool eh. Andi. "Brad Larocque" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > McLaren was plastered with their West logos, so why weren't Ferrari and > BAR covered with the usual tobacco marks? >

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Brian Tate wrote: > > > > Same reason why Winston is having/had to pull out a drag racing. Theycould > > not sponsor two series so they sure were not going to drop Nascar. Itis > > even tougher in Canada where Players has to get out all togetheralthough > > they are looking at creative ways of getting around that. > > > > If you noticed when Penske was in CART and went to race in Indy, theyhad to

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> > take Marlboro off of everything including the uniforms. > > And who's fault is this ? > > Bet you were a beta tester for this law > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy >

The intent was to limit the exposure of a death industry. I beleive that after another year or two the lieing rat bastards will have to cease all sporting event advertising...so teams like Penske that swapped their entire operation over to the IRL to follow the cancer-cash will be out of $$ shortly. For a very cursory view of the story behind the Settlement, see Russel Crowe's movie: The Insider, with Al Pacino and Christopher Plummer. Mikey Andretti took the CART Team Kool Green to Indy(IRL) for next year and Kool just announced they are getting out of Racing advertising completely. Who's gonna foot Mikey's bills now?? Gotta buy new tubs, new engines, new drivers...Cool! dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zI5m9.469657$[email hidden]...

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Brian Tate wrote: > > > > > > Same reason why Winston is having/had to pull out a drag racing. They > could > > > not sponsor two series so they sure were not going to drop Nascar. It > is > > > even tougher in Canada where Players has to get out all together > although > > > they are looking at creative ways of getting around that. > > > > > > If you noticed when Penske was in CART and went to race in Indy, they > had to > > > take Marlboro off of everything including the uniforms. > > > > And who's fault is this ? > > > > Bet you were a beta tester for this law > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > The intent was to limit the exposure of a death industry. I beleive

that > after another year or two the lieing rat bastards will have to cease all > sporting event advertising...so teams like Penske that swapped theirentire > operation over to the IRL to follow the cancer-cash will be out of $$ > shortly. Something tells me, though, that Penske will have absolutely no trouble getting another sponsor. Didn't Paul Tracy run a Mobil1-sponsored Penske when he first ran with them in 1992? I wouldn't be surprised to see the Penskes running in blue-and-white again should the cancer-cash be pulled from racing... > Mikey Andretti took the CART Team Kool Green to Indy(IRL) for next > year and Kool just announced they are getting out of Racing advertising > completely. Who's gonna foot Mikey's bills now?? Gotta buy new tubs, new > engines, new drivers...Cool! > dave henrie Ouch. Sucks to be them. Milhouse

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > >I guess it makes sense to those who wrote the law at least :-) > >You're missing the point. Our lawmakers don't care a whit about making sense. It all has to do with lording their power over others. We're practically back to a ruling elite situation. The whole lot needs to go. Don McCorkle

Woodie 83 wrote: > > You're missing the point. Our lawmakers don't care a whit about making sense. > It all has to do with lording their power over others. We're practically back > to a ruling elite situation. The whole lot needs to go. Careful now Don, you might getting turned in to the feds for suspicious behavior by someone in the COPS system or whatever they're calling it, pay special attention to the mail carrier Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:26:33 +0100, Doug Ellison wrote: > > Wierd laws in the US > The interesting question is "what came first... the laws or the laywers"? ;-) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:09:03 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Mikey Andretti took the CART Team Kool Green to Indy(IRL) for next >year and Kool just announced they are getting out of Racing advertising >completely. Who's gonna foot Mikey's bills now?? Gotta buy new tubs, new >engines, new drivers...Cool! Honda (according to "AutoWeek"). A week ago they were saying that Toyota might pay $30 million for Newman-Haas to go to the IRL. The Andretti/Green - Honda deal should be similar (if not more, to pay for Michael's and Dario's salaries). Good thing we kept them furriners and the big-dollar motor manufacturer's out of the IRL, eh? :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:01:32 -0300, "Conga" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Because West is not marketed in the US Well, that makes sense... "We'll let you advertise it, but only if you don't sell any here." :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

"Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >I guess it makes sense to those who wrote the law at least :-) > > > > > You're missing the point. Our lawmakers don't care a whit about making

sense. > It all has to do with lording their power over others. We're practicallyback > to a ruling elite situation. The whole lot needs to go. > > > Don McCorkle > > I think you should reserve the word "elite" for those who truely are. :) To the favour of the tobacco companies though, in a world where it is common knowledge that it is horrendously bad for one's health, yet so many do it, it indicates how many idiots are around.

Byron Forbes wrote: > To the favour of the tobacco companies though, in a world where it is > common knowledge that it is horrendously bad for one's health, yet so many > do it, it indicates how many idiots are around. And also shows the "value" in manipulating the levels of addictive substances in their products. The whole lot of them should burn in hell (tobacco company execs). I quit in '94, after years of 3+ packs a day. :-/ -- Fester None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: >Careful now Don, you might getting turned in to the feds for suspicious >behavior by someone in the COPS system or whatever they're calling it, >pay special attention to the mail carrier > I'm sure I'm already under close scrutiny, especially by the mail carrier. Being an atheist libertarian NRA member with a poor ability to decide when it is best to just keep my mouth shut does not make for a low profile. MAJOR WOODIE

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:16:37 +1000, Byron Forbes wrote: > To the favour of the tobacco companies though, in a world where it is > common knowledge that it is horrendously bad for one's health, yet so many > do it, it indicates how many idiots are around. > > it also indicates how desolate the living conditions in our culture are that so many people take drugs in order to make it more bearable. A smoke or two every once in a while (at a party or whatever) is ok, but I'm really happy I managed to quit in 1994 after ten years of smoking. regards, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Careful now Don, you might getting turned in to the feds for suspicious > >behavior by someone in the COPS system or whatever they're calling it, > >pay special attention to the mail carrier > > > > I'm sure I'm already under close scrutiny, especially by the mail carrier. > Being an atheist libertarian NRA member with a poor ability to decide when

it > is best to just keep my mouth shut does not make for a low profile. > > > MAJOR WOODIE > I don't wanna get ya paranoid Woodie, but, you DO know there are several United States Postal Workers here in this newsgroup don't you? Heck I always figured my stance against kite-flying F-10 view, outside of the car-types has probably dinged the ol FBI mainframe a few times. After all, as a self described Cockpit Nazi, combining those two words in the same message must have triggered some snoop program. :) dave henrie USPS Letter Carrier (yes the walking kind) (yes I have bad feet) (yes I have been bitten) (yes I have lost somebody's welfare check) (yes I'm watching you....ALL of you!!!) lol!!!

"Uwe Schuerkamp" > A smoke or two every once in a while (at a party or whatever) > is ok, but I'm really happy I managed to quit in 1994 after ten > years of smoking. > > regards, uwe > Good for you Uwe. I gave up smoking almost right away... When I was about 4 I tried to smoke but gave up after the 3rd ciggarette when the brown part kept falling off the white part cuz I bit down too hard. Figured it was too technical a procedure for me and that-was-that. Back in the old Commodore C-64 days, I had a friend who had a golf-game.(it took longer to load the screens than to play the game) He was much better at it than I, but I usually won. Why? I wouldn't let him smoke til we were through and by the 15th hole he would be a shakey wreck. :) dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Byron Forbes wrote: > >> To the favour of the tobacco companies though, in a world where it is >> common knowledge that it is horrendously bad for one's health, yet so many >> do it, it indicates how many idiots are around. > > >And also shows the "value" in manipulating the levels of addictive >substances in their products. The whole lot of them should burn in hell >(tobacco company execs). I quit in '94, after years of 3+ packs a day. > :-/ >

I've never understood the willingness of people to inhale toxic smoke. :-( Addictions? That stuff can KILL... Why the hell would ANYONE smoke? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> writes:

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>On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:26:33 +0100, Doug Ellison wrote: >> >> Wierd laws in the US >> > >The interesting question is "what came first... the laws or the >laywers"? ;-) >

Enterprising individuals created a niche market that now makes them indispensable...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in > > I've never understood the willingness of people to inhale toxic smoke. > :-( Addictions? That stuff can KILL... Why the hell would ANYONE > smoke? > > Eldred Initially? Peer pressure maybe, most start while under voting age I'm sure. For the rest of their lives? Chemical addiction. cheers John

EldredP wrote: > > I've never understood the willingness of people to inhale toxic smoke. :-( > Addictions? That stuff can KILL... Why the hell would ANYONE smoke? I smoked for about 8 years myself, don't ask me why as I haven't got a clue..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

> I've never understood the willingness of people to inhale toxic smoke. :-( > ***ions? That stuff can KILL... Why the hell would ANYONE smoke? I smoked for about 8 years myself, don't ask me why as I haven't got a clue..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

EldredP wrote: > I've never understood the willingness of people to inhale toxic smoke. :-( > Addictions? That stuff can KILL... Why the hell would ANYONE smoke? Young children, looking to impress. By the time they've grasped the notion this stuff is for the birds, they're hooked both physically & mentally. Then you're in the same basic position as the coke and/or heroin junkie. Most will die before sucessfully kicking the habit. But not because they don't want to. (I've known plenty of them. :-/ ) -- Fester None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm

In article <PBCm9.9753$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > I don't wanna get ya paranoid Woodie, but, you DO know there are >several United States Postal Workers here in this newsgroup don't you? I didn't mean to suggest that postal workers were watching me or any other delusion. Hell, some of my best friends are letter carriers. :-) I just meant that he knows better than anyone how many "wacky" groups I belong to. My best friend works for the NSA, if I were a paranoid type, he would send me straight off. And just as a special hi for the carnivore system, I'd like to say ANTHRAX. Don McCorkle

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <" nbso"@nic.br> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> I've never understood the willingness of people to inhale toxic smoke. :-( >> Addictions? That stuff can KILL... Why the hell would ANYONE smoke? > >I smoked for about 8 years myself, don't ask me why as I haven't got a >clue.....

An honest man... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <" nbso"@nic.br> writes: > > >EldredP wrote: > >> > >> I've never understood the willingness of people to inhale toxic smoke. :-( > >> Addictions? That stuff can KILL... Why the hell would ANYONE smoke? > > > >I smoked for about 8 years myself, don't ask me why as I haven't got a > >clue..... > > An honest man... :-)

No, a clue less man :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 20:25:23 +0200, Goy Larsen wrote:

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> > > EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <" nbso"@nic.br> writes: >> >> >EldredP wrote: >> >> >> >> I've never understood the willingness of people to inhale toxic smoke. :-( >> >> Addictions? That stuff can KILL... Why the hell would ANYONE smoke? >> > >> >I smoked for about 8 years myself, don't ask me why as I haven't got a >> >clue..... >> >> An honest man... :-) > > No, a clue less man :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy

Well, if you stopped smoking that long ago try it for once again. Sometimes, when I've had a couple too much at a party or so, I have a fag. You relax. Your arms feel all funny, hanging down from your shoulders. You experience a strange feeling inside your nervous system. It's a drug, and I only came to realize this when I was off of it and experienced the effects first hand. Very strange! It's nice to have made the transition from an "addicted smoker" to "one that smokes at parties, maybe once a year" smoker. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> > Well, if you stopped smoking that long ago try it for once > again. Sometimes, when I've had a couple too much at a party or > so, I have a fag. > > You relax. Your arms feel all funny, hanging down from your > shoulders. You experience a strange feeling inside your nervous > system. > > It's a drug, and I only came to realize this when I was off of > it and experienced the effects first hand. Very strange! > > It's nice to have made the transition from an "addicted smoker" > to "one that smokes at parties, maybe once a year" smoker.

Well, I have had the odd smoke since so I know what you're talking about, but why I *started* to smoke in the first place is beyond me Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

10 years w/o cigarette after 15 years of smoking here. Feeling better now. Should now concentrate on cutting down on that bottle vodka for breakfast ;-) JensSchumi On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:29:36 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>> >A smoke or two every once in a while (at a party or whatever) >is ok, but I'm really happy I managed to quit in 1994 after ten >years of smoking. > >regards, uwe --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

"JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > 10 years w/o cigarette after 15 years of smoking here. > Feeling better now. > Should now concentrate on cutting down on that bottle vodka for breakfast;-) > > JensSchumi > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:29:36 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp<[email hidden]>

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> wrote: > > <snip>> > >A smoke or two every once in a while (at a party or whatever) > >is ok, but I'm really happy I managed to quit in 1994 after ten > >years of smoking. > > > >regards, uwe >

I smoked a pack a day for over 40 years and had absolutely no trouble quitting. Some say it's a matter of willpower but in my case all it took was getting lung cancer and having the better part of my right lung removed. ;o) Haven't had a smoke in 4.5 years. . . and counting. Elrikk

On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 01:10:40 GMT, JS wrote: > 10 years w/o cigarette after 15 years of smoking here. > Feeling better now. > Should now concentrate on cutting down on that bottle vodka for breakfast ;-) > as my grandpa used to say "Ein Laster braucht der Mensch" (before you pipe this phrase through google let me make it clear it's not about "trucks" ;-) I found it hardest not to smoke on parties, so I told myself to rather have another beer than touch a fag. That worked out pretty well, esp. without the nasty hangover the following morning ... ok, so now I'm addicted to beer, but that's far tastier and cheaper than smoking, and you can brew your own beer and impress your friends and so on... good recipe ;-) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

elrikk wrote: > > I smoked a pack a day for over 40 years and had absolutely no trouble > quitting. > > Some say it's a matter of willpower but in my case all it took was getting > lung cancer and having the better part of my right lung removed. ;o) Yeah, I can imagine that would be an incentive to quit smoking, good to hear you made it through AFAIK I have suffered no permanent damage from my stupidity, at least nothing noticeable, sometimes luck plays a big part and one day I just felt like quitting and did so > Haven't had a smoke in 4.5 years. . . and counting. Well, in light of the information you gave above, you ought to be committed to some kind of institution to be protected from yourself if you ever started smoking again :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--