Re: sims (was Re: Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2)

"Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > NFS is more sim than "fun" (action) and Grand Prix is MORE of a sim, yes,but there are degrees to EVERYTHING. Yes, and let's continue to discuss these nuances ad infinitum, ad nauseaum, thereby wasting far more space than posting the "wrong" thing here to begin with.

Actually, I HAVE played ALL of the NFS games (except HP2, of course), but I don't remember any helicopters at all, let alone chasing me. <shrug> Anyway, Hard Truck 2 has helicopter chasing (and even road mines) but it's still a truck sim. gamer wrote:

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> You don't get chased and shot at by helicopters in auto simulation games. > You are trying to correct me, but I have played the game. You have NOT. > > "Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > So what? The helicopter is a sim too. Just because NFS has some arcady > elements (and I use the term loosely) to it doesn't mean it's more of an > action game (which typically involves shooting and violence) than a sim game > (which typically tries to recreate reality in the most non-violent, > realistically immersive way). > > > > gamer wrote: > > > > > It is most definitely NOT a sim. I've played a demo of the game and I was > > > being chased by a helicopter. > > > > > > "Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Nah, it's a sim; the NFS series have ALWAYS been sims.

>"Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote... >Actually, I HAVE played ALL of the NFS games (except HP2, of course), but Idon't remember >any helicopters at all, let alone chasing me. <shrug> > > Anyway, Hard Truck 2 has helicopter chasing (and even road mines) but it'sstill a truck sim. ... and here have Eep, cross-posting and finally giving r.a.s. some quality laughs. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Actually, I HAVE played ALL of the NFS games (except HP2, of course), butI don't remember any helicopters at all, let alone chasing me. <shrug> > There is a helicopter in NFS PU (Alps), but it doesn't seem to chase anything. You can hear it, but you might have to leave the road a bit to have a good look at it. Jone.

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> > "Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Actually, I HAVE played ALL of the NFS games (except HP2, of course), but > I don't remember any helicopters at all, let alone chasing me. <shrug> > > > > There is a helicopter in NFS PU (Alps), but it doesn't seem to chase > anything. > You can hear it, but you might have to leave the road a bit to have a good > look at it.

I seem to remember one in NFS4 (Road Challenge) or whatever it was called. Can't temember which track, but mountains again. -- AG Remove removes from address to remove anti-spam measures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Gauton E-Mail agauton @ postmaster.co.uk Never for me the lowered banner, never the last endeavour! (Damon Hill - 16th June 1999)

<shrug> I don't agree. Yes, the TD and NFS series are more "arcadey" (whatever that means since there are other sims in arcades that are MORE realistic, but still sims. Does Pole Position count as a sim? I say yes. Of course, compared to Grand Prix it's pure shit but still no less of a sim, just less "simulistic" than the GP et al series. ymenard wrote:

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> >"Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Nah, it's a sim; the NFS series have ALWAYS been sims. > > This coming from a r.a.s. citizen, I say that Eep you are absolutely wrong. > Only in it's recent NFS: Porsche Unleashed has EA given us a little hint of > any kind of realistic physics or game engine modeling. The series has > always and only been, an good or excellent arcade racer. > > Trust me, we don't talk about them on r.a.s. because they aren't sims. We > could (as the charter accepts some form of semi-serious simulations), but we > don't care much about the series (except NFS:PU, which barely made some wind > in the newsgroup). > > IIRC, NFS:HP2 has a completely different and more arcadish game engine then > the last release, therefore it will be just an arcade racer. > > And FYI, the Test Drive series are even more arcade then the Need for Speed > series.

And of course, we're talking about HP2... the one you haven't played "Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Actually, I HAVE played ALL of the NFS games (except HP2, of course), butI don't remember any helicopters at all, let alone chasing me. <shrug>

"Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > <shrug> I don't agree. Yes, the TD and NFS series are more "arcadey"(whatever that means since there are other sims in arcades that are MORE realistic, but still sims. Does Pole Position count as a sim? I say yes. Of course, compared to Grand Prix it's pure shit but still no less of a sim, just less "simulistic" than the GP et al series. > NFS isn't aiming at a hardcore audience, I guess that's why it isn't considered a sim. It's aimed for a wider audience. Hardcore racing sims are for the people that drop 200 dollars for a racing wheel. Mainstream racing games seem to feature "real" street cars, and the sims are more about racing. Of course, with flight sims you have less complex sims and survey sims and they are still considered "sims". ATF, Janes WWII fighters, Comanche 4, Jetfighter, Eurofighter Typhoon, etc. They are characterized by simplified avionics and weapons systems and forgiving flight models. Why there's a different standard for driving games, who knows? That's just the way it is. You bring up an interesting point about Pole Position. Back then, the hardware was a big limitation, so it would be hard to distinguish between realistic sim and arcade game. Even with Need For Speed 4, how much of the limitations are because the physics model was designed to run on a slow CPU, and how much is intentional? It's only relatively recently with the faster CPU's that flight sims have gotten to the point where they can fudge certain things less (stalls have become more realistic, for instance, there are more "6 degrees of freedom" flight models), and you get much more realistic flight behavior. Just look at GTA 3, it's got much more realistic physics than even the earlier Need For Speeds. > ymenard wrote: > > > >"Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Nah, it's a sim; the NFS series have ALWAYS been sims. > > > > This coming from a r.a.s. citizen, I say that Eep you are absolutelywrong. > > Only in it's recent NFS: Porsche Unleashed has EA given us a little hintof > > any kind of realistic physics or game engine modeling. The series has > > always and only been, an good or excellent arcade racer. > > > > Trust me, we don't talk about them on r.a.s. because they aren't sims.We > > could (as the charter accepts some form of semi-serious simulations),but we > > don't care much about the series (except NFS:PU, which barely made somewind > > in the newsgroup). > > > > IIRC, NFS:HP2 has a completely different and more arcadish game enginethen > > the last release, therefore it will be just an arcade racer. > > > > And FYI, the Test Drive series are even more arcade then the Need forSpeed > > series. >

Golly, and how have you played the game if it hasn't been released yet, hmm? <snicker> Regardless, it simply doesn't matter; NFS series is still a sim...just not as MUCH a sim as some other series. <shrug> Get the fuck over it, sim fanboy. gamer wrote: > And of course, we're talking about HP2... the one you haven't played > > "Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Actually, I HAVE played ALL of the NFS games (except HP2, of course), but > I don't remember any helicopters at all, let alone chasing me. <shrug>

>"Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote > <shrug> I don't agree. Yes, the TD and NFS series are more "arcadey"(whatever that means > since there are other sims in arcades that are MORE realistic, but stillsims Sorry, but that's just not true. Trust me, we know more about this on r.a.s. then anybody else. > Does Pole Position count as a sim? I say yes. No. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Golly, and how have you played the game if it hasn't been released yet, hmm? <snicker> Regardless, it simply doesn't matter; NFS series is still a sim...just not as MUCH a sim as some other series. <shrug> Get the fuck over it, sim fanboy. gamer wrote: > And of course, we're talking about HP2... the one you haven't played > > "Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Actually, I HAVE played ALL of the NFS games (except HP2, of course), but > I don't remember any helicopters at all, let alone chasing me. <shrug>

Actually I played it several weeks ago - demo. I've been playing the final PS2 version for the last couple hours. And for the fanboy record, I don't like sims. This, however, is awesome. You shouldn't be so quick to kill this thread. If it keeps going long enough someone's sure to agree with you. Brent "Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Golly, and how have you played the game if it hasn't been released yet,hmm? <snicker> > > Regardless, it simply doesn't matter; NFS series is still a sim...just notas MUCH a sim as some other series. <shrug> Get the fuck over it, sim fanboy.

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> > gamer wrote: > > > And of course, we're talking about HP2... the one you haven't played > > > > "Eep�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Actually, I HAVE played ALL of the NFS games (except HP2, of course),

but > > I don't remember any helicopters at all, let alone chasing me. <shrug> >

"Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anh234$e6m0p$[email hidden]... > There is a helicopter in NFS PU (Alps), but it doesn't seem to chase > anything. > You can hear it, but you might have to leave the road a bit to have agood > look at it. Hah, it is a joke. Once I saw it fly right into and THROUGH a mountain! --KC