What is your GPL2 Dream?

If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish you could see in this title? - Dave

'80's turbo era or possibly late 70's with the advent of ground effects Dave Cook wrote:

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> If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish you > could see in this title? > > - Dave > > >

My dream is that people stop talking about what their GPL2 dream is. Some of these posts, these "what's the best... what is your..." just plain have me rolling on the floor. Is it just that the poster has nothing interesting to add or is it that the poster simply likes starting a thread that may have many followers? Alanb "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aikn9.8462$[email hidden]... > If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wishyou > could see in this title? > > - Dave > >

"Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> writes: > If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish you > could see in this title? > Not that I know enough F1 history to find a ultimate year, I've always fancied the 82 cars a bit. That big Parmalat Brabham thing, with tons of horesepower amongst others. But choosing 67 in the first place was very wise because of the change in motor racing paradigm. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3Uon9.41761$DN4.7127@sccrnsc01...

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> My dream is that people stop talking about what their GPL2 dream is. > > Some of these posts, these "what's the best... what is your..." just plain > have me rolling on the floor. > > Is it just that the poster has nothing interesting to add or is it that the > poster simply likes starting a thread that may have many followers? > > Alanb

Lighten up Alan. There was conversation this morning that Dave Kaemmer may be working behind the scenes on GPL2 on his own time. That's the first thing I've heard that sounded positive. FWIW Here's what I would like to see: * Weather - I remember seeing adjustable weather effects in the early GPL screenshots. * Downforce - Talk of 1972-73 winged cars would address this. * Better graphics - Increased poly count for cars and cockpit views. I'd like to see better than NR2002. * Improved Damage - Not just visual, but internal as well * Improved Sound - Dolby 5.1 Surround and a higher sampling rate (correct me if I'm wrong) would increase clarity * Integrated multiplayer with record keeping ala NR2002. * Mod'ability - our community has proven that it can step up to the plate and create some top notch add-ons. * Built in support for the GPL Shifter. * Improved collision detection. What else? - Dave

Dave Cook wrote: > > If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish you > could see in this title? Australian built 4 door saloons with big wings and V8's Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

> If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish you > could see in this title? Australian built 4 door saloons with big wings and V8's Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > My dream is that people stop talking about what their GPL2 dream is. <yawn> Alan going at it again! My dream is that you once realise the nature of Usenet, the sociological aspect of it and the nostalgia often associated to it's nature. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

i'd just like to see the ability to make a pit stop for minor repairs in PRO mode... so a serious problem could not be fixed (shift-R) but a bent susp member could. or the ONnline prediction factor be more like OFFline, so taps wouldnt send a car into orbit... but i like the 67 cars. and improved damage graphics and tire modeling and brake wear and weather, would be fine without getting away from the original reason for GPL'67 that being the last year before they became airplanes~ bo On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:11:41 GMT, Goy Larsen <" nbso"@nic.br> wrote:

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> > >Dave Cook wrote: >> >> If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish you >> could see in this title? > >Australian built 4 door saloons with big wings and V8's > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >http://www.theuspits.com > >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" >--Groucho Marx--

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ooqn9.33$[email hidden]...

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> >"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > > My dream is that people stop talking about what their GPL2 dream is. > > > <yawn> Alan going at it again! > > > My dream is that you once realise the nature of Usenet, the sociological > aspect of it and the nostalgia often associated to it's nature.

Fran�ois, do you know where I can find those early GPL beta screenshots that showed adjustable weather effects? I think they were on a German site initially. That's nostalgia... - Dave

Obviously from a physics point of view the Turbo cars are interesting as they created significant challenges for drivers as they had to time the boost lag passing and going around the track. However this story of DK working on a sequel is bull. Dave is the genius behind the physics models, he would not start with a "year" like 1972. He builds the model then would go from there. Pointing to the fact that he had picked a year discredits the claim IMO.

> If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wishyou > could see in this title? I'd like to see it based on an era that I can relate to - I wasn't born in the '60s! Something like 1989 would do nicely! ; )

"Conga" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DVsn9.109495$[email hidden]...

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> Obviously from a physics point of view the Turbo cars are interesting as > they created significant challenges for drivers as they had to time the > boost lag passing and going around the track. > > However this story of DK working on a sequel is bull. Dave is the genius > behind the physics models, he would not start with a "year" like 1972. He > builds the model then would go from there. Pointing to the fact that he

had > picked a year discredits the claim IMO. > Not necessarily Conga. Because of the huge changes in F1 over the years, you can't just create a model and plug in the correct numbers. There were Turbos, non-turbos, ground effects, electronic suspensions... IF you are going to design a historic F1 sim, then right off you had better pick an era so you can limit your workload. Otherwise you'll be stuck coding High wings and low wings and no wings and flat bottoms and GE bottoms etc etc. Personally I've started pestering the F1 2002 modders for a High Winged Can Am mod...maybe somebody can send DK the Cutout poster of the Chapparal 2E... dave henrie

>"Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote > Fran�ois, do you know where I can find those early GPL beta screenshotsthat > showed adjustable weather effects? I think they were on a German site > initially. That's nostalgia... Wow good question. Those early screenshots, yeah they showed a different menu system (with an AI slider per example). I can't remember where to find them. They were at the old gp-legend.com website, but it went offline a long time ago. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Conga" <[email hidden]> wrote > However this story of DK working on a sequel is bull. Considering he's not even a member of Papyrus anymore (except as an advisor for NR2003), I doubt it even more. Again, it's a ghost house at Papyrus, they have downsized incredibly (relocating to small office per example).... :( -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:33:58 GMT, "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish you >could see in this title? I think i posted this before, but... Technology wise, I'd like to see the upcoming N2003 model which apparently features debris and high frequency bump modelling. In addition, I'd want a better brake model (temperature/wear). Also, I'd want the option of DNQ's and the 107% rule. Time period wise, there are so many years I'd love. 1958, with the introduction of the rear engined Cooper. 1967 redone with more detail. 1968 with the primitive wing cars. 1988 with the great Senna/Prost battle and the last of the turbos plus a few normally aspirated cars. 1980ish (1979-1982) just so we'd have a game with Jacques Villeneuve in it, even if the turbo Ferrari had the worst lag of any F1 car. My favorite by far, however, is 1976. Witness: Cars/Drivers: Ferrari 312T2 - Niki Lauda, Clay Regazzoni McLaren M23 - James Hunt, Jochen Mass Tyrrell P34 - Jody Scheckter, Patrick Depailler Lotus 77 - Mario Andretti, Gunnar Nilsson (Andretti also drove the Parnelli VPJ4B for 2 races) Ligier JS5 - Jacques Lafitte Penske PC4 - John Watson March 761 - Ronnie Peterson, Vittorio Brambilla Shadow DN8 - Tom Pryce, Jean Pierre Jarier Brabham BT45 - Carlos Reutemann, Carlos Pace Surtees TS19 - Alan Jones, Noritake Takahara Williams FW05 - Jacky Ickx, Hans Binder Fittipaldi FD04 - Emerson Fittipaldi, Ingo Hoffman Hesketh 308D - Harald Ertl Kojima KE007 - Masahiro Hasemi Maki F102A - Tony Trimmer BRM P201 - Ian Ashley Ensign N174 - Chris Amon Tracks: Interlagos Kyalami Long Beach Jarama Zolder Monte Carlo Anderstorp Paul Ricard Brands Hatch Nurburgring Osterreichring Zandvoort Monza Mosport Watkins Glen Fuji Jason

I think you meant Jacque's father, Gilles Villeneuve. I'd like to see it more open architecture, so that different car types can be added, sort of like plug-ins. If it was structured well, you could have a huge database of tracks (as GPL now has), and allocate each of them to a given years calendar, along with the car types appropriate to that year. We could then race pretty much whatever season we wanted, even 1967, but with better modelling in all aspects. Alternatively, we could race whatever cars we wanted on any choice of tracks, like an F2002 Ferrari at Bremgarten, etc. However, this may not be easy! Dreams, dreams, dreams, Andrew. "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:33:58 GMT, "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do youwish you

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> >could see in this title? > > I think i posted this before, but... > > Technology wise, I'd like to see the upcoming N2003 model which > apparently features debris and high frequency bump modelling. In > addition, I'd want a better brake model (temperature/wear). Also, I'd > want the option of DNQ's and the 107% rule. > > Time period wise, there are so many years I'd love. 1958, with the > introduction of the rear engined Cooper. 1967 redone with more > detail. 1968 with the primitive wing cars. 1988 with the great > Senna/Prost battle and the last of the turbos plus a few normally > aspirated cars. 1980ish (1979-1982) just so we'd have a game with > Jacques Villeneuve in it, even if the turbo Ferrari had the worst lag > of any F1 car. > > My favorite by far, however, is 1976. Witness: > > Cars/Drivers: > > Ferrari 312T2 - Niki Lauda, Clay Regazzoni > McLaren M23 - James Hunt, Jochen Mass > Tyrrell P34 - Jody Scheckter, Patrick Depailler > Lotus 77 - Mario Andretti, Gunnar Nilsson (Andretti also drove the > Parnelli VPJ4B for 2 races) > Ligier JS5 - Jacques Lafitte > Penske PC4 - John Watson > March 761 - Ronnie Peterson, Vittorio Brambilla > Shadow DN8 - Tom Pryce, Jean Pierre Jarier > Brabham BT45 - Carlos Reutemann, Carlos Pace > Surtees TS19 - Alan Jones, Noritake Takahara > Williams FW05 - Jacky Ickx, Hans Binder > Fittipaldi FD04 - Emerson Fittipaldi, Ingo Hoffman > Hesketh 308D - Harald Ertl > Kojima KE007 - Masahiro Hasemi > Maki F102A - Tony Trimmer > BRM P201 - Ian Ashley > Ensign N174 - Chris Amon > > Tracks: > > Interlagos > Kyalami > Long Beach > Jarama > Zolder > Monte Carlo > Anderstorp > Paul Ricard > Brands Hatch > Nurburgring > Osterreichring > Zandvoort > Monza > Mosport > Watkins Glen > Fuji > > Jason

Hey Jason, quick question. Wasn't Gunnar Nilsson a motorcycle hot shot (motocross) before turning to F1? It seems as though the old memory is up to its old tricks once again so I'm not too sure... -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:33:58 GMT, "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish you > >could see in this title? > > I think i posted this before, but... > > Technology wise, I'd like to see the upcoming N2003 model which > apparently features debris and high frequency bump modelling. In > addition, I'd want a better brake model (temperature/wear). Also, I'd > want the option of DNQ's and the 107% rule. > > Time period wise, there are so many years I'd love. 1958, with the > introduction of the rear engined Cooper. 1967 redone with more > detail. 1968 with the primitive wing cars. 1988 with the great > Senna/Prost battle and the last of the turbos plus a few normally > aspirated cars. 1980ish (1979-1982) just so we'd have a game with > Jacques Villeneuve in it, even if the turbo Ferrari had the worst lag > of any F1 car. > > My favorite by far, however, is 1976. Witness: > > Cars/Drivers: > > Ferrari 312T2 - Niki Lauda, Clay Regazzoni > McLaren M23 - James Hunt, Jochen Mass > Tyrrell P34 - Jody Scheckter, Patrick Depailler > Lotus 77 - Mario Andretti, Gunnar Nilsson (Andretti also drove the > Parnelli VPJ4B for 2 races) > Ligier JS5 - Jacques Lafitte > Penske PC4 - John Watson > March 761 - Ronnie Peterson, Vittorio Brambilla > Shadow DN8 - Tom Pryce, Jean Pierre Jarier > Brabham BT45 - Carlos Reutemann, Carlos Pace > Surtees TS19 - Alan Jones, Noritake Takahara > Williams FW05 - Jacky Ickx, Hans Binder > Fittipaldi FD04 - Emerson Fittipaldi, Ingo Hoffman > Hesketh 308D - Harald Ertl > Kojima KE007 - Masahiro Hasemi > Maki F102A - Tony Trimmer > BRM P201 - Ian Ashley > Ensign N174 - Chris Amon > > Tracks: > > Interlagos > Kyalami > Long Beach > Jarama > Zolder > Monte Carlo > Anderstorp > Paul Ricard > Brands Hatch > Nurburgring > Osterreichring > Zandvoort > Monza > Mosport > Watkins Glen > Fuji > > Jason >

"Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote on 04 Oct 2002: > If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do > you wish you could see in this title? A big sign in Woolworths saying "GPL2 available now". -- The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard Bits'n'Bob-stones: http://www.geocities.com/daveb75 (Inc. "Frithaes! An Introduction to Colloquial Lapine". Yes, really.)

After watching a vintage Trans-AM race on Speed, I'd really like to have a 1970's T/A sim. Big cars, skinny tires, no brakes and close competition. -- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anln73$fhek3$[email hidden]... > > If indeed DK is going to surprise us someday with a GPL2, what do you wish > you > > could see in this title? > > I'd like to see it based on an era that I can relate to - I wasn't born in > the '60s! Something like 1989 would do nicely! ; ) > >

On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:04:38 +0100, "Andrew Hollom" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I think you meant Jacque's father, Gilles Villeneuve. Doh. =) Jason

On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:39:05 -0400, "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote: >After watching a vintage Trans-AM race on Speed, I'd really like to have a >1970's T/A sim. Big cars, skinny tires, no brakes and close competition. Too bad they apparently stopped working on that Trans-Am mod for F1 2001... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4pun9.745$[email hidden]...

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> >"Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Fran�ois, do you know where I can find those early GPL beta screenshots > that > > showed adjustable weather effects? I think they were on a German site > > initially. That's nostalgia... > > Wow good question. Those early screenshots, yeah they showed a different > menu system (with an AI slider per example). I can't remember where to

find > them. They were at the old gp-legend.com website, but it went offline along > time ago. DoktorB lives! GPL history can be found at http://doktorB.fateback.com There's the first known published screenshot from Sierra's Interact Magazine, and some rare screenshots of an pre-release version of GPL with different menus. There's also a special screenshot on the 2nd page which I'm surprised I've never seen mentioned before on RAS. "Graham Hill was the coolest driver. He won all the races and his hair never moved" !!!! Was some Papy employee drunk one night when they made that page- most of the sentences don't make sense, but when they do, they'll make you chuckle :o) doktorB

"doktorB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NyQp9.57722$[email hidden]...

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> DoktorB lives! > GPL history can be found at > http://doktorB.fateback.com > > There's the first known published screenshot from Sierra's Interact > Magazine, and some rare screenshots of an pre-release version of GPL with > different menus.

Thanks Dok!