NASCAR NASCAR NASCAR: What were you thinking with those 13 Gallons Gas Tanks.!!! hehe

Obvisouly no one at NASCAR ever took a lap in PAPYRUS N2002 at Taladega! The idea that this 13 gallon tank would spread the pack is pure folly! We race Taladega ever day here. What happends when the race starts. The pack is spread from the start, but because of the effects in the game of draft everyone in the back come to the front, so a pack is reformed. The only exception to pack reform is if the gaps in the field over 1.7 seconds to prevent drafting. The draft is about 11 mph faster than non draft in the game and about the same in real life maybe little less. So what happen after the first stop, they all separated alittle and than all recollected. Still no solution.. But a Friend of mine called me on the phone and gave me the solution. Maybe this is rumor or fact. .hehe.. He says take away all the air guns from the pit crews!! Give them 1 LUGWRENCH and than if the the single tire dont get tired out. These cars can pit in about 2 minutes.. hehe I thought it was funny!! That will spread the pack! -- Donald Wilshe 888 588-9207 Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog Library www.martelbros.com Other Interest: www.ivga.com www.games-advertising.com www.whra.com

Of course they haven't, didn't you see - they use NT2003... :) Don Burnette Don Wilshe wrote: > Obvisouly no one at NASCAR ever took a lap in PAPYRUS N2002 at > Taladega! >snip

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Of course they haven't, didn't you see - they use NT2003... > :) > > Don Burnette > >Since NT2003 is soooo "realistic", maybe Nascar should make them drive with game controllers instead of steering wheels :-))

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> "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Of course they haven't, didn't you see - they use NT2003... >> :) >> >> Don Burnette >> >> > Since NT2003 is soooo "realistic", maybe Nascar should make them > drive with game controllers instead of steering wheels :-))

LOL, I am sure that is what it is mainly programmed for... Don Burnette

I don't know, but I was bored to death today. I fell asleep for the middle 2 hours of the race. -Larry "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ab%n9.55267$[email hidden]... > Obvisouly no one at NASCAR ever took a lap in PAPYRUS N2002 at Taladega! > > The idea that this 13 gallon tank would spread the pack is pure folly! > > We race Taladega ever day here. What happends when the > race starts. The pack is spread from the start, but because of theeffects

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> in the > game of draft everyone in the back come to the front, so a pack is > reformed. > > The only exception to pack reform is if the gaps in the field over 1.7 > seconds to > prevent drafting. > > The draft is about 11 mph faster than non draft in the game and about the > same > in real life maybe little less. So what happen after the first stop,

they > all separated > alittle and than all recollected. > > Still no solution.. But a Friend of mine called me on the phone and gaveme

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> the solution. > > Maybe this is rumor or fact. .hehe.. > > He says take away all the air guns from the pit crews!! Give them 1 > LUGWRENCH and than > if the the single tire dont get tired out. These cars can pit in about 2 > minutes.. hehe I thought > it was funny!! That will spread the pack! > > > -- > Donald Wilshe > 888 588-9207 > Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog > Library > www.martelbros.com > Other Interest: > www.ivga.com > www.games-advertising.com > www.whra.com > > >

Seems to me it worked fine. Sure the packs reformed, but the point is - no yellows, and the only incident that occured was on the pace lap. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ab%n9.55267$[email hidden]... > Obvisouly no one at NASCAR ever took a lap in PAPYRUS N2002 atTaladega! > > The idea that this 13 gallon tank would spread the pack is pure folly! >

Did you catch the blurb from one of the announcers? "We have to run restrictor plates here or the cars would be running 230." Here's a news flash. The cars SHOULD be running 230. If the current crop of million dollar spoon fed prima donnas don't want to drive Tally at 230 put drivers in the cars who do. I think the late Dale Earnhardt spelled out my views on restrictor plate racing best. "This is not racing". GJ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/03/2002

"George Jetson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anqum7$bcv$[email hidden]...

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> Did you catch the blurb from one of the announcers? "We have to run > restrictor plates here or the cars would be running 230." Here's a news > flash. The cars SHOULD be running 230. If the current crop of million > dollar spoon fed prima donnas don't want to drive Tally at 230 put > drivers in the cars who do. > > I think the late Dale Earnhardt spelled out my views on restrictor > plate racing best. > > "This is not racing". > > GJ >

While the drivers should have a say in thier own safety, I think you will find the track owners, league officials and, most importantly, the Insurers will have final say in SS speeds. Remember cars were LEAVING the speedway in the old days. Until the tracks can be made safer, the cars must be held back. In that vein, would just FLATTENING the two tracks fix everything? if the banking was single digit like Loudon or Indy, wouldn't that remove any problem with the cars going tooooooo fast? dave henrie

> In that vein, would just FLATTENING the two tracks fix > everything? if the banking was single digit like Loudon or Indy, wouldn't > that remove any problem with the cars going tooooooo fast? > dave henrie Yeah, but then ISC would have to spend a few mil of their BILLIONS of dollars, and oh no, the Frances can't afford that! Then they can't get that new Ferrari!

That would be a great comment if you posted this before the race! -Tim "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ab%n9.55267$[email hidden]... > Obvisouly no one at NASCAR ever took a lap in PAPYRUS N2002 at Taladega! > > The idea that this 13 gallon tank would spread the pack is pure folly! > > We race Taladega ever day here. What happends when the > race starts. The pack is spread from the start, but because of theeffects

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> in the > game of draft everyone in the back come to the front, so a pack is > reformed. > > The only exception to pack reform is if the gaps in the field over 1.7 > seconds to > prevent drafting. > > The draft is about 11 mph faster than non draft in the game and about the > same > in real life maybe little less. So what happen after the first stop,

they > all separated > alittle and than all recollected.

One of the best things I like about Nascar is the variety in the races from track to track. A couple road race courses, restictor plate super speadways, short tracks, hi-banked, flat, Pocono, and the good ol cookie cutter 1 1/2 mile tri-oval! Watching the pack races 4 times a year is perfect and is just as important as road courses and short tracks. Now all they need is a couple dirt tracks thrown into the mix and rain tires! -Tim "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sc7o9.62146$[email hidden]...

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> > "George Jetson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:anqum7$bcv$[email hidden]... > > Did you catch the blurb from one of the announcers? "We have to run > > restrictor plates here or the cars would be running 230." Here's a news > > flash. The cars SHOULD be running 230. If the current crop of million > > dollar spoon fed prima donnas don't want to drive Tally at 230 put > > drivers in the cars who do. > > > > I think the late Dale Earnhardt spelled out my views on restrictor > > plate racing best. > > > > "This is not racing". > > > > GJ > > > While the drivers should have a say in thier own safety, I think you

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> the old days. Until the tracks can be made safer, the cars must be held > back. > In that vein, would just FLATTENING the two tracks fix > everything? if the banking was single digit like Loudon or Indy, wouldn't > that remove any problem with the cars going tooooooo fast? > dave henrie > > >

"George Jetson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anqum7$bcv$[email hidden]...

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> Did you catch the blurb from one of the announcers? "We have to run > restrictor plates here or the cars would be running 230." Here's a news > flash. The cars SHOULD be running 230. If the current crop of million > dollar spoon fed prima donnas don't want to drive Tally at 230 put > drivers in the cars who do. > > I think the late Dale Earnhardt spelled out my views on restrictor > plate racing best. > > "This is not racing". >

I'm with him, but uncapping the cars and letting them run 230 is a bad idea. Something needs to be done that allows them to hold the speeds down but also allows a car on its own to run nearly as fast as a car in the draft. Maybe skinnier or harder tires? Power reduction isn't the way, and I don't think aero is either, because adding drag just makes the cars even better as a draft. Maybe a maximum rollout? One that would allow, say, 205mph laps at the typical near-valvefloat RPMs of an unrestricted engine? Allow teams to run shorter ratios if they want, but nothing taller... Just ideas. Milhouse

I think the way to solve the "pack" problem is to first realize why the cars run in packs. The problem is that all of the cars can run Daytona and 'Dega all out on the entire track because of the high banking. Since they never have to lift their foot off the pedal, it comes down to which cars are faster, but with the restictor plates making all things being equal nobody can pull away and the aero draft is just a byproduct of this. Since the cars are always going all out, handling tightness or looseness or tire wear is not as important at these tracks so those element is out of the equation. The key to breaking up the packs is to make it to where the driver has to lift in the corners. This could be done by removing the high banking from the track (not likely to happen), letting the cars go faster by removing the plates, (also not likely to happen), or going to a different tire with less grip that would cause the drivers to have to slow down around the corners or any major adjustment in the cars' handling characteristics that would force the drivers to slow down in the corners. Once you enter a little more driver skill into the equation, the better drivers/teams can start to pull away from the not so good driver/teams. -Tim Just for the record, I'm all for keeping the way it is and having pack races 4 times a year. Is the current "pack" racing really broken? "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anr8is$205$[email hidden]...

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> > "George Jetson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:anqum7$bcv$[email hidden]... > > Did you catch the blurb from one of the announcers? "We have to run > > restrictor plates here or the cars would be running 230." Here's a news > > flash. The cars SHOULD be running 230. If the current crop of million > > dollar spoon fed prima donnas don't want to drive Tally at 230 put > > drivers in the cars who do. > > > > I think the late Dale Earnhardt spelled out my views on restrictor > > plate racing best. > > > > "This is not racing". > > > > I'm with him, but uncapping the cars and letting them run 230 is a bad

idea. > Something needs to be done that allows them to hold the speeds down butalso > allows a car on its own to run nearly as fast as a car in the draft.Maybe > skinnier or harder tires? Power reduction isn't the way, and I don'tthink > aero is either, because adding drag just makes the cars even better as a > draft. > > Maybe a maximum rollout? One that would allow, say, 205mph laps at the > typical near-valvefloat RPMs of an unrestricted engine? Allow teams torun

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> shorter ratios if they want, but nothing taller... > > Just ideas. > > Milhouse > >

I think Winston Cup restrictor plate racing is broken. For starters the WC cars are currently running 3 to 5 mph slower than the Busch series cars, and slower than even the ARCA cars. It doesn't seem to make much sense to put your most experienced drivers in your slowest speedway series but the current mentality of governing the top speeds seems to do just that. IMO, they are just putting on a show rather than conducting a race. Electronic speed govenors would be just as effective as the current restrictor plates. The Tally track was designed specifically for 200+ speeds. After Bill Elliot qualified at, what 212?, rather than going back to the shop and working on thier cars to be competitive, the teams and drivers simply whined to the officials to lower the speeds of the top cars and voila we have restrictor plate racing where everyone can run with the lead pack. For those who actually saw Daytona and Tally before restrictor plates, I can only hope someday someone will realize that watching a pack of cars drive around at 183 on a track designed for 200+ is just damn boring and I might actually watch an exciting speedway race again. Personally I prefer watching the Bush and ARCa series at Tally and Daytona. When the WC series runs there, I usually catch a good nap. GJ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/03/2002

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> I think Winston Cup restrictor plate racing is broken. For starters > the WC cars are currently running 3 to 5 mph slower than the Busch > series cars, and slower than even the ARCA cars. It doesn't seem to make > much sense to put your most experienced drivers in your slowest speedway > series but the current mentality of governing the top speeds seems to do > just that. IMO, they are just putting on a show rather than conducting a > race. Electronic speed govenors would be just as effective as the > current restrictor plates. > > The Tally track was designed specifically for 200+ speeds. After Bill > Elliot qualified at, what 212?, rather than going back to the shop and > working on thier cars to be competitive, the teams and drivers simply > whined to the officials to lower the speeds of the top cars and voila we > have restrictor plate racing where everyone can run with the lead pack. > > For those who actually saw Daytona and Tally before restrictor > plates, I can only hope someday someone will realize that watching a > pack of cars drive around at 183 on a track designed for 200+ is just > damn boring and I might actually watch an exciting speedway race again. > > Personally I prefer watching the Bush and ARCa series at Tally and > Daytona. When the WC series runs there, I usually catch a good nap. > > GJ >

From the standpoint of a speed demon, I agree, but spectator and driver safety has to be the main concern here. They could raise the height of the outside retaining walls, but the spectators would likely raise a hue and cry about that. If N2002 is an accurate simulation, you will note that the cars can get a LOT of air when they end up spinning or wrecking while running at 230+. I'd love to see unrestricted racing, but I seriously doubt that we will. :-( John DiFool -- ======================================================== Last broken flash of love Still in the camera ========================================================

On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 03:29:28 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > In that vein, would just FLATTENING the two tracks fix >everything? if the banking was single digit like Loudon or Indy, wouldn't >that remove any problem with the cars going tooooooo fast? Has it been that long since NASCAR ran restrictor plates at Loudon, or are you just short of memory today Mr Henrie? Also, you should be working on GPL instead of posting sir. I'm now a full 2 seconds ahead of you at Zandy and I suck. Jason

Then it wouldn't be super-speedway racing. It would be overgrown Loudon racing, and I hate Loudon enough already without making a bigger one :) -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sc7o9.62146$[email hidden]...

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> > "George Jetson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:anqum7$bcv$[email hidden]... > > Did you catch the blurb from one of the announcers? "We have to run > > restrictor plates here or the cars would be running 230." Here's a news > > flash. The cars SHOULD be running 230. If the current crop of million > > dollar spoon fed prima donnas don't want to drive Tally at 230 put > > drivers in the cars who do. > > > > I think the late Dale Earnhardt spelled out my views on restrictor > > plate racing best. > > > > "This is not racing". > > > > GJ > > > While the drivers should have a say in thier own safety, I think you

will > find the track owners, league officials and, most importantly, theInsurers > will have final say in SS speeds. Remember cars were LEAVING the speedwayin

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> the old days. Until the tracks can be made safer, the cars must be held > back. > In that vein, would just FLATTENING the two tracks fix > everything? if the banking was single digit like Loudon or Indy, wouldn't > that remove any problem with the cars going tooooooo fast? > dave henrie > > >

They only did it once that I know of as an experiment. -Larry "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 03:29:28 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > Has it been that long since NASCAR ran restrictor plates at Loudon, or > are you just short of memory today Mr Henrie? > > Also, you should be working on GPL instead of posting sir. I'm now a > full 2 seconds ahead of you at Zandy and I suck. > > Jason

Maybe add a Tri-Oval on the backstraight, and tighten them both up a bit so a slight speed reduction is required ? -Larry "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anr8is$205$[email hidden]...

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> > "George Jetson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:anqum7$bcv$[email hidden]... > > Did you catch the blurb from one of the announcers? "We have to run > > restrictor plates here or the cars would be running 230." Here's a news > > flash. The cars SHOULD be running 230. If the current crop of million > > dollar spoon fed prima donnas don't want to drive Tally at 230 put > > drivers in the cars who do. > > > > I think the late Dale Earnhardt spelled out my views on restrictor > > plate racing best. > > > > "This is not racing". > > > > I'm with him, but uncapping the cars and letting them run 230 is a bad

idea. > Something needs to be done that allows them to hold the speeds down butalso > allows a car on its own to run nearly as fast as a car in the draft.Maybe > skinnier or harder tires? Power reduction isn't the way, and I don'tthink > aero is either, because adding drag just makes the cars even better as a > draft. > > Maybe a maximum rollout? One that would allow, say, 205mph laps at the > typical near-valvefloat RPMs of an unrestricted engine? Allow teams torun

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> shorter ratios if they want, but nothing taller... > > Just ideas. > > Milhouse > >

"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 03:29:28 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > In that vein, would just FLATTENING the two tracks fix > >everything? if the banking was single digit like Loudon or Indy,wouldn't

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> >that remove any problem with the cars going tooooooo fast? > > Has it been that long since NASCAR ran restrictor plates at Loudon, or > are you just short of memory today Mr Henrie? > > Also, you should be working on GPL instead of posting sir. I'm now a > full 2 seconds ahead of you at Zandy and I suck. > > Jason

But I HAVE worked on Zandy today even. I dloaded that dammmmmmmned GPL.Glance program and made myself sick just before leaving for work. Had a MISREABLE day thankyouverymuch! Glad to hear you have improved so much...where would you be without my ... my...uh...my....inspiration? :) dave henrie

>Seems to me it worked fine. Sure the packs reformed, but the point is - >no yellows, and the only incident that occured was on the pace lap. Yeah, and at the expense of ANYTHING resembling exciting racing as the race drew on. ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Webmaster, http://simcrash.fameflame.dk

On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:59:56 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >They only did it once that I know of as an experiment. Right, I was just attempting to point out that lowering the banking at Daytona/Tally to that of Loudon is probably a bad example since 3 drivers just died there in one year. Jason

In article <ansbt1$bhd$[email hidden]>, "George Jetson" <[email hidden]> writes: > The Tally track was designed specifically for 200+ speeds. After Bill >Elliot qualified at, what 212?, rather than going back to the shop and >working on thier cars to be competitive, the teams and drivers simply >whined to the officials to lower the speeds of the top cars and voila we >have restrictor plate racing where everyone can run with the lead pack. > Talladega was built in 1969. While they may have hoped the cars would eventually get to 200+mph, I'm not sure the track was specifically DESIGNED for that... > For those who actually saw Daytona and Tally before restrictor >plates, I can only hope someday someone will realize that watching a >pack of cars drive around at 183 on a track designed for 200+ is just >damn boring and I might actually watch an exciting speedway race again. > I was watching the Talladega race on TV when Bobby Allison cut a tire and *nearly* flew into the grandstands. That fence probably saved the lives of hundreds of people, and it was lucky that the car didn't hit a fraction differently. While I'd *love* to see how fast the cars could actually go, I understand why they can never let them get that fast again. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 02:11:16 GMT, Larry wrote: > I don't know, but I was bored to death today. I fell asleep for the middle > 2 hours of the race. > Just what happens to me these days watching F1 on a lazy sunday afternoon... there simply is no better cure for insomnia ;-) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> In article <ansbt1$bhd$[email hidden]>, "George Jetson" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > The Tally track was designed specifically for 200+ speeds. After Bill > >Elliot qualified at, what 212?, rather than going back to the shop and > >working on thier cars to be competitive, the teams and drivers simply > >whined to the officials to lower the speeds of the top cars and voila we > >have restrictor plate racing where everyone can run with the lead pack. > > > > Talladega was built in 1969. While they may have hoped the cars would > eventually get to 200+mph, I'm not sure the track was specifically

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> that... > > > For those who actually saw Daytona and Tally before restrictor > >plates, I can only hope someday someone will realize that watching a > >pack of cars drive around at 183 on a track designed for 200+ is just > >damn boring and I might actually watch an exciting speedway race again. > > > > I was watching the Talladega race on TV when Bobby Allison cut a tire and > *nearly* flew into the grandstands. That fence probably saved the lives

of > hundreds of people, and it was lucky that the car didn't hit a fraction > differently. While I'd *love* to see how fast the cars could actually go,I

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> understand why they can never let them get that fast again. > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.03 > N2002 Rank:+20.124 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. Do like Earnhardt said; move the stands back. Never happen I know; makes to much sense. John

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8fpo9.91311$[email hidden]... > Maybe add a Tri-Oval on the backstraight, and tighten them both up a bitso > a slight speed reduction is required ? > > -Larry > > >What about adding a dogleg on the backstretch, like they did at Watkins Glen. Could you picture that ?

On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:24:42 -0600, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats >you >> with experience... They could just stop admitting spectators! Jason

Well, as far as I'm concerned, exciting racing doesn't happen on superspeedways anyway. "Dan Belcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Yeah, and at the expense of ANYTHING resembling exciting racing as therace > drew on. > > ----------------------------------------- > Dan Belcher > Webmaster, > http://simcrash.fameflame.dk

I'm certainly bored with it on Sierra... Since practicing with the AI is generally useless here, I decided to go online and run some open races at Dega (with my alternate screen name, of course. No more open with my main screen name). It was bloody dreadful. It was the same every single race. The flag would drop, every peckerhead up front would drop to the low line, and just run around in circles with the left tires on the line the entire way around the entire race. There was no racing. You basically finished where you qualed unless you got lucky or someone ahead of you crashed out. If you _did_ try to go high and pass, the car behind you would just slip underneath and steal your spot instead of going with you and trying to get somewhere. B o r i n g :( Man, I don't know what started this mentality, but it's not racing. It's ring-around-the-rosie. I now understand whey there are so many incidents in open races. People are losing their damned minds and adopting "Block me and you pay" attitudes. Ugly stuff... All the SS races I need are here on Rascar from now on. -Larry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anvqp2$heh88$[email hidden]...

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> Well, as far as I'm concerned, exciting racing doesn't happen on > superspeedways anyway. > > "Dan Belcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Yeah, and at the expense of ANYTHING resembling exciting racing as the > race > > drew on. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Dan Belcher > > Webmaster, > > http://simcrash.fameflame.dk >

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> > >I'm certainly bored with it on Sierra... > >Since practicing with the AI is generally useless here, I decided to go >online and run some open races at Dega (with my alternate screen name, of >course. No more open with my main screen name). It was bloody dreadful. > >It was the same every single race. The flag would drop, every peckerhead up >front would drop to the low line, and just run around in circles with the >left tires on the line the entire way around the entire race. > >There was no racing. You basically finished where you qualed unless you got >lucky or someone ahead of you crashed out. > >If you _did_ try to go high and pass, the car behind you would just slip >underneath and steal your spot instead of going with you and trying to get >somewhere. > >B o r i n g :( > >Man, I don't know what started this mentality, but it's not racing. It's >ring-around-the-rosie. > >I now understand whey there are so many incidents in open races. People are >losing their damned minds and adopting "Block me and you pay" attitudes. > >Ugly stuff... > >All the SS races I need are here on Rascar from now on. > > >-Larry

Amazingly, I've yet to be in a pickup race at a plate track where everyone hugged the low line. If I did go high, someone went with me. Unfortunately, there's always an opening laps crash, terrible start that makes me lose the draft, or something stupid like that. ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Webmaster, http://simcrash.fameflame.dk

Consider yourself lucky :) -Larry "Dan Belcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Amazingly, I've yet to be in a pickup race at a plate track where everyone > hugged the low line. If I did go high, someone went with me.Unfortunately, > there's always an opening laps crash, terrible start that makes me losethe > draft, or something stupid like that. > > ----------------------------------------- > Dan Belcher > Webmaster, > http://simcrash.fameflame.dk