WinXP Upgrade = GPLStatic and NR2002 Hiss

No hardware changes whatsoever. Upgraded from Win98SE to XP Pro. Relatively uneventful except that the OEM SB Audigy card gave me a bunch of problems. Card remained uninstalled after upgrade, so I reinstalled from original CD. The install went ahead "automatically" but then resulted in lots of audio problems. I then realised that the CD had no XP drivers on it...the 2000 drivers were being used. Also had the annoying volume resetting to full after every re-boot, which I had initially in 98SE. Cured it back then by installing the latest drivers from Creative (when the eventually came out). Downloaded the latest drivers for XP and tried installing...total mayhem. Fiddled around for a few hours and then just thought it isn't worth it. I got a burn of a current Audigy OEM installation CD from my vendor. Installed it and everything was perfects and back to stable--except for a slight case of static "sparkles" in GPL and pronounced hiss in NR2002 where there used to be no static and a nice wind noise. Upgraded drivers to the latest from the Creative site (which worked perfectly this time), but no effect on the static and hiss. No other game so far has an audio problem. Tried several video drivers--no effect. Tried backing down hardware acceleration--actually makes the problem worse. Tried using lower quality sampling--no effect. The only difference, besides the obvious drivers, is that the IRQ's are now being assigned by ACPI (higher numbers) instead of the old fashioned way. According to the BIOS and the old Win98, I have no shared IRQ's. There are no overlapping numbers under XP, of course. Any ideas? Marc -- **************************************************************************** Marc Collins [email hidden] Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? ****************************************************************************

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v8Mo9.23405$[email hidden]... > No hardware changes whatsoever. Upgraded from Win98SE to XP Pro. > Relatively uneventful except that the OEM SB Audigy card gave me a bunchof > problems. Card remained uninstalled after upgrade, so I reinstalled from > original CD. The install went ahead "automatically" but then resulted in > lots of audio problems. I then realised that the CD had no XP drivers on > it...the 2000 drivers were being used. > > Also had the annoying volume resetting to full after every re-boot, whichI > had initially in 98SE. Cured it back then by installing the latestdrivers > from Creative (when the eventually came out). Downloaded the latestdrivers > for XP and tried installing...total mayhem. > > Fiddled around for a few hours and then just thought it isn't worth it. I > got a burn of a current Audigy OEM installation CD from my vendor. > Installed it and everything was perfects and back to stable--except for a > slight case of static "sparkles" in GPL and pronounced hiss in NR2002where

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> there used to be no static and a nice wind noise. > > Upgraded drivers to the latest from the Creative site (which worked > perfectly this time), but no effect on the static and hiss. No other game > so far has an audio problem. > > Tried several video drivers--no effect. Tried backing down hardware > acceleration--actually makes the problem worse. Tried using lower quality > sampling--no effect. > > The only difference, besides the obvious drivers, is that the IRQ's are

now > being assigned by ACPI (higher numbers) instead of the old fashioned way. > According to the BIOS and the old Win98, I have no shared IRQ's. Thereare > no overlapping numbers under XP, of course. > > Any ideas? > > Marc You've already covered most of the bases...other than trying to physically move the sound card to another slot...preferably far away from the vid card...I don't have any other ideas. Good Luck..let us know if you find a cure. dave henrie > > -- >**************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > [email hidden] > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? >**************************************************************************** > >

You might want to have a look at the newsgroup Products.Sound_Blaster.Audigy on news.creative.com There were quite a few threads about acoustic disturbances under WinXP, sometimes referred to as 'snap, crackle and pop'. There were also many suggestions for solutions posted over the time, which usually didn't work for all, but for some. Seems to be a little different on each machine. Achim

Thanks...I already exhausted that group before coming here. As far as I can tell, the only 2 apps I have a problem with are my dearest Papy sims. Everything else works perfectly. That's why I thought someone here might have run into the same scenario. Marc "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ao0do1$id2rk$[email hidden]... > You might want to have a look at the newsgroupProducts.Sound_Blaster.Audigy

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> on news.creative.com > > There were quite a few threads about acoustic disturbances under WinXP, > sometimes referred to as 'snap, crackle and pop'. There were also many > suggestions for solutions posted over the time, which usually didn't work > for all, but for some. Seems to be a little different on each machine. > > Achim > > > >

I did that the first time around...and it worked well under Win98. No shared IRQ's as I said. Are you saying the ACPI assignment of IRQ's could now be causing a problem between the video and sound? (And by the way, the sparkly static in GPL seems like a video-related sound problem...but the hiss in NR2002 does not!?!?!?!). Marc "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mENo9.16098$hb4.5117@sccrnsc02...

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> > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:v8Mo9.23405$[email hidden]... > > No hardware changes whatsoever. Upgraded from Win98SE to XP Pro. > > Relatively uneventful except that the OEM SB Audigy card gave me a bunch > of > > problems. Card remained uninstalled after upgrade, so I reinstalled

from > > original CD. The install went ahead "automatically" but then resultedin > > lots of audio problems. I then realised that the CD had no XP driverson > > it...the 2000 drivers were being used. > > > > Also had the annoying volume resetting to full after every re-boot,which

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> I > > had initially in 98SE. Cured it back then by installing the latest > drivers > > from Creative (when the eventually came out). Downloaded the latest > drivers > > for XP and tried installing...total mayhem. > > > > Fiddled around for a few hours and then just thought it isn't worth it.

I > > got a burn of a current Audigy OEM installation CD from my vendor. > > Installed it and everything was perfects and back to stable--except fora > > slight case of static "sparkles" in GPL and pronounced hiss in NR2002 > where > > there used to be no static and a nice wind noise. > > > > Upgraded drivers to the latest from the Creative site (which worked > > perfectly this time), but no effect on the static and hiss. No othergame > > so far has an audio problem. > > > > Tried several video drivers--no effect. Tried backing down hardware > > acceleration--actually makes the problem worse. Tried using lowerquality > > sampling--no effect. > > > > The only difference, besides the obvious drivers, is that the IRQ's are > now > > being assigned by ACPI (higher numbers) instead of the old fashionedway.

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> > According to the BIOS and the old Win98, I have no shared IRQ's. There > are > > no overlapping numbers under XP, of course. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Marc > > You've already covered most of the bases...other than trying to > physically move the sound card to another slot...preferably far away from > the vid card...I don't have any other ideas. > Good Luck..let us know if you find a cure. > dave henrie > > > > -- > > >

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> > Marc Collins > > [email hidden] > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > > to take effect. Reboot now? > > >

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Don't know if this will help or not...I had a similar problem in win2k...somebody told me to turn the volumn down in windows and use the volumn control on the speakers...it didn't cmpletely solve the problem but it did make a noticable improvement....good luck..... **** Eat well, stay fit, die anyway......

I didn't see it but do you have a Nvidia video card? Both Nvidia and Creative drivers go out and try and grab as much of the PCI bus as they can. I wouldn't be surprised if this a big cause of the downgrade of pnline play with a modem now that most new modems are PCI based instead of ISA. I had a major problems racing online with a new system in N4 when I didn't with my old system one. I was getting the 10035 error which is "Network device not availible" alot. After switching to an external modem to get the modem off the PCI bus. (old system was an ISA modem) all was well again. I'm not trying to be a smart ass but the best cure for your problem is a Turtle Beach card. Creative products are not what the use to be, and it really shows in Papy games. Back when N4 was out I dumped my SB Live card and went to a Philips AE and gained 15fps! Now that I write this I wonder how a PCI based modem would work now. MadDAWG

Yes, I do have an nVIDIA card... Would adjusting the PCI latency help in this situation? Marc "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I didn't see it but do you have a Nvidia video card? Both Nvidia and > Creative drivers go out and try and grab as much of the PCI bus as theycan. > I wouldn't be surprised if this a big cause of the downgrade of pnlineplay > with a modem now that most new modems are PCI based instead of ISA. I hada

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> major problems racing online with a new system in N4 when I didn't with my > old system one. I was getting the 10035 error which is "Network device not > availible" alot. After switching to an external modem to get the modem off > the PCI bus. (old system was an ISA modem) all was well again. > > I'm not trying to be a smart ass but the best cure for your problem is a > Turtle Beach card. Creative products are not what the use to be, and it > really shows in Papy games. Back when N4 was out I dumped my SB Live card > and went to a Philips AE and gained 15fps! Now that I write this I wonder > how a PCI based modem would work now. > > > MadDAWG > >

Creative issues with snap, crackle, pop have been plaguing people for years. Especially since Win2K came out. Their cards just don't play nice on the PCI bus, or so I'm told. I left all that behind about 2 years ago when I switched to Turtle Beach Santa Cruz cards. No slot dependance, no buss saturation, no problems at all. -Larry "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ao0do1$id2rk$[email hidden]... > You might want to have a look at the newsgroupProducts.Sound_Blaster.Audigy

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> on news.creative.com > > There were quite a few threads about acoustic disturbances under WinXP, > sometimes referred to as 'snap, crackle and pop'. There were also many > suggestions for solutions posted over the time, which usually didn't work > for all, but for some. Seems to be a little different on each machine. > > Achim > > > >

100% agreement on the TBSC card. One of the most trouble-free pieces of computer equipment I've ever owned. -Larry "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I didn't see it but do you have a Nvidia video card? Both Nvidia and > Creative drivers go out and try and grab as much of the PCI bus as theycan. > I wouldn't be surprised if this a big cause of the downgrade of pnlineplay > with a modem now that most new modems are PCI based instead of ISA. I hada

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> major problems racing online with a new system in N4 when I didn't with my > old system one. I was getting the 10035 error which is "Network device not > availible" alot. After switching to an external modem to get the modem off > the PCI bus. (old system was an ISA modem) all was well again. > > I'm not trying to be a smart ass but the best cure for your problem is a > Turtle Beach card. Creative products are not what the use to be, and it > really shows in Papy games. Back when N4 was out I dumped my SB Live card > and went to a Philips AE and gained 15fps! Now that I write this I wonder > how a PCI based modem would work now. > > > MadDAWG > >

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Kq5p9.18124$[email hidden]... > Yes, I do have an nVIDIA card... Would adjusting the PCI latency help in > this situation? > > Marc Wouldn't hurt to try, but I really have no idea if it would work or not. MadDAWG

Is there a model or any card in particular I should look at? Unfortunately, I haven't seen them available ANYWHERE here (Toronto). Marc "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Dp6p9.94444$[email hidden]...

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> 100% agreement on the TBSC card. One of the most trouble-free pieces of > computer equipment I've ever owned. > > -Larry > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I didn't see it but do you have a Nvidia video card? Both Nvidia and > > Creative drivers go out and try and grab as much of the PCI bus as they > can. > > I wouldn't be surprised if this a big cause of the downgrade of pnline > play > > with a modem now that most new modems are PCI based instead of ISA. I

had > a > > major problems racing online with a new system in N4 when I didn't withmy > > old system one. I was getting the 10035 error which is "Network devicenot > > availible" alot. After switching to an external modem to get the modemoff > > the PCI bus. (old system was an ISA modem) all was well again. > > > > I'm not trying to be a smart ass but the best cure for your problem is a > > Turtle Beach card. Creative products are not what the use to be, and it > > really shows in Papy games. Back when N4 was out I dumped my SB Livecard > > and went to a Philips AE and gained 15fps! Now that I write this Iwonder

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> > how a PCI based modem would work now. > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > >

Turtle Beach Santa Cruz is the only way to go IMO. They are about $80 USD at CompUSA. Then all you'll need is a god set of 5.1 speakers if you don't all ready have some. MadDAWG

I just saw em at Fry's for $59.. Do a price match.. "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Turtle Beach Santa Cruz is the only way to go IMO. They are about $80 USDat > CompUSA. Then all you'll need is a god set of 5.1 speakers if you don'tall > ready have some. > > MadDAWG > >

> I just saw em at Fry's for $59.. Do a price match.. Is that a Canadian store? He did say he was in Toronto, and I'd doubt the have a CompUSA there (USA being the key part) MadDAWG

The problem is Turtle Beach apparently has a very limited distribution in Canada as a whole. Creative cards are everywhere. My supplier is trying to locate one and a price, but as I said, I have never seen them for sale and I'm in the IT business. Marc "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > I just saw em at Fry's for $59.. Do a price match.. > > Is that a Canadian store? He did say he was in Toronto, and I'd doubt the > have a CompUSA there (USA being the key part) > > MadDAWG > >

Try EB thats where I got mine. I'm a hundred miles east of you. :-) Pete "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RTnp9.28911$[email hidden]... > The problem is Turtle Beach apparently has a very limited distribution in > Canada as a whole. Creative cards are everywhere. My supplier is tryingto > locate one and a price, but as I said, I have never seen them for sale and > I'm in the IT business. > > Marc

There's really only one. It's called the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz. You can look it up at www.turtlebeach.com. I see them all over the place here in the US. -Larry "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iCfp9.23097$[email hidden]... > Is there a model or any card in particular I should look at?Unfortunately,

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> I haven't seen them available ANYWHERE here (Toronto). > > Marc > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Dp6p9.94444$[email hidden]... > > 100% agreement on the TBSC card. One of the most trouble-free pieces of > > computer equipment I've ever owned. > > > > -Larry > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I didn't see it but do you have a Nvidia video card? Both Nvidia and > > > Creative drivers go out and try and grab as much of the PCI bus as

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> > can. > > > I wouldn't be surprised if this a big cause of the downgrade of pnline > > play > > > with a modem now that most new modems are PCI based instead of ISA. I > had > > a > > > major problems racing online with a new system in N4 when I didn't

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> my > > > old system one. I was getting the 10035 error which is "Network device > not > > > availible" alot. After switching to an external modem to get the modem > off > > > the PCI bus. (old system was an ISA modem) all was well again. > > > > > > I'm not trying to be a smart ass but the best cure for your problem is

a > > > Turtle Beach card. Creative products are not what the use to be, andit

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> > > really shows in Papy games. Back when N4 was out I dumped my SB Live > card > > > and went to a Philips AE and gained 15fps! Now that I write this I > wonder > > > how a PCI based modem would work now. > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > > > > > > >

Try Mail Order ? Web Order? The cards are definitely out there. -Larry "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RTnp9.28911$[email hidden]... > The problem is Turtle Beach apparently has a very limited distribution in > Canada as a whole. Creative cards are everywhere. My supplier is tryingto

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> locate one and a price, but as I said, I have never seen them for sale and > I'm in the IT business. > > Marc > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > I just saw em at Fry's for $59.. Do a price match.. > > > > Is that a Canadian store? He did say he was in Toronto, and I'd doubt

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> > have a CompUSA there (USA being the key part) > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > >

Hey folks, I hope this thread is about noise in GPL. I recently tried the OpenGL patch and it's very nice but I get terrible static out of the speakers. I even d/l the Carsound patch. It's a bit better but still lots of crackling and breaking up of sound. Using a SB Live Gamer. Is there a fix for this? All other games are good, LFS, N2K2. I have no idea what to do now. Don't want to go back to D3D. That means switching video mode for each game. Sorry if that sounds lame but GPL always has been fun and I'd like to be able to jump back into it with OpenGL. Thank you: LeftyX (Jordan) "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:keOp9.20432$[email hidden]...

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> Try EB thats where I got mine. I'm a hundred miles east of you. :-) > > Pete > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RTnp9.28911$[email hidden]... > > The problem is Turtle Beach apparently has a very limited distribution

in > > Canada as a whole. Creative cards are everywhere. My supplier istrying > to > > locate one and a price, but as I said, I have never seen them for saleand > > I'm in the IT business. > > > > Marc > >