OT: My 9-point plan to F1

Hi Guys, I have been seeing F1 since the 70' when Emmo got his first title. Since then, there were years were a team had clearly dominated the field the way Ferrari is doing today. The biggest difference then was that, F1 was not tied to manufacturers the way they are today. There is just a lot of interests on the table. But, some stuff can be done to even the things. 1. Enforce teams with more than one car, and they can have as many as they want, to have totally different sponsors, two cars, two sponsors, one for each. Lets see the team explain to "Marlboro", why the other car, let's say "West", has been given the order to win the race, exchanging positions (suppose "Marlboro was first). They can easily lose a sponsor if they start using Team Orders. 2. Manual gear, lets make these guys work a little bit more. It is harder to do curves with just one hand on the wheel and this is also another point of failure. 3. Points to more than the top 6 drivers. This way, even if it is going to cost a lap, if you can fix a car, do it, you can gain points to the championship. Lets say, top 10. 4. No more carbon brakes, lets go back to steel. It is going to be less efficient and they will need to break earlier. Overtake on curves is again possible. Maybe standard brakes, so FIA can control its efficiency. 5. I read somewhere else a good one. Lets rule that all bodywork be brought in-board of the inside edge of the tyres. That would reduce downforce a lot. 6. The qualification time is for the car/driver. If they wanna race a spare one, start last or train with both, each one with it's own time of course. 7. The engine rule, one per GP is a good one, don't think it is possible to have it last longer while keeping a good show. 8. Why the small teams can't buy chassis from the big ones? They will spent less money and will have a good car. 9. As soon a race starts, no more electronics communications between the car and the box, only allow radio communication with the driver. If the car is not good, let the driver figure it out, and try to keep it running. The team can't try to fix it remotely as today. I think this is a better 9-point plan. What do you think? Regards, Roberto Brazil

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> Hi Guys, > > I have been seeing F1 since the 70' when Emmo got his first title. Since > then, there were years were a team had clearly dominated the field the way > Ferrari is doing today. The biggest difference then was that, F1 was not > tied to manufacturers the way they are today. There is just a lot of > interests on the table. But, some stuff can be done to even the things. > > 1. Enforce teams with more than one car, and they can have as many as they > want, to have totally different sponsors, two cars, two sponsors, one for > each. Lets see the team explain to "Marlboro", why the other car, let's

say > "West", has been given the order to win the race, exchanging positions > (suppose "Marlboro was first). They can easily lose a sponsor if theystart > using Team Orders. > > 2. Manual gear, lets make these guys work a little bit more. It is harderto > do curves with just one hand on the wheel and this is also another pointof

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> failure. > > 3. Points to more than the top 6 drivers. This way, even if it is going to > cost a lap, if you can fix a car, do it, you can gain points to the > championship. Lets say, top 10. > > 4. No more carbon brakes, lets go back to steel. It is going to be less > efficient and they will need to break earlier. Overtake on curves is again > possible. Maybe standard brakes, so FIA can control its efficiency. > > 5. I read somewhere else a good one. Lets rule that all bodywork be

brought > in-board of the inside edge of the tyres. That would reduce downforce alot. > > 6. The qualification time is for the car/driver. If they wanna race aspare > one, start last or train with both, each one with it's own time of course. > > 7. The engine rule, one per GP is a good one, don't think it is possibleto > have it last longer while keeping a good show. > > 8. Why the small teams can't buy chassis from the big ones? They willspent > less money and will have a good car. > > 9. As soon a race starts, no more electronics communications between thecar > and the box, only allow radio communication with the driver. If the car is > not good, let the driver figure it out, and try to keep it running. Theteam

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> can't try to fix it remotely as today. > > I think this is a better 9-point plan. What do you think? > > Regards, > > Roberto > Brazil > >

Roberto wrote: > > Hi Guys, Well, it's a whole lot better than what the FIA came up with, that's for sure, if you ever want to challenge old Max you can count on my support :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

I like them all. We have to get some real passing back into F1. Not the parade that it has sadly become. -- Sincerely, GLC Controls Inc. Lee Whittles Director, Sales & Marketing Telephone [250] 562-4343 FAX [250] 562-4348 [email hidden] "Aydee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ao4qp2$1bs$[email hidden]... > Do you take sugar in coffee..? > > AD > "Roberto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ao4php$jiknd$[email hidden]... > > Hi Guys, > > > > I have been seeing F1 since the 70' when Emmo got his first title. Since > > then, there were years were a team had clearly dominated the field the way > > Ferrari is doing today. The biggest difference then was that, F1 was not > > tied to manufacturers the way they are today. There is just a lot of > > interests on the table. But, some stuff can be done to even the things. > > > > 1. Enforce teams with more than one car, and they can have as many as they > > want, to have totally different sponsors, two cars, two sponsors, one for > > each. Lets see the team explain to "Marlboro", why the other car, let's > say > > "West", has been given the order to win the race, exchanging positions > > (suppose "Marlboro was first). They can easily lose a sponsor if they > start > > using Team Orders. > > > > 2. Manual gear, lets make these guys work a little bit more. It is harder > to > > do curves with just one hand on the wheel and this is also another point > of > > failure. > > > > 3. Points to more than the top 6 drivers. This way, even if it is going to > > cost a lap, if you can fix a car, do it, you can gain points to the > > championship. Lets say, top 10. > > > > 4. No more carbon brakes, lets go back to steel. It is going to be less > > efficient and they will need to break earlier. Overtake on curves is again > > possible. Maybe standard brakes, so FIA can control its efficiency. > > > > 5. I read somewhere else a good one. Lets rule that all bodywork be > brought > > in-board of the inside edge of the tyres. That would reduce downforce a > lot. > > > > 6. The qualification time is for the car/driver. If they wanna race a > spare > > one, start last or train with both, each one with it's own time of course. > > > > 7. The engine rule, one per GP is a good one, don't think it is possible > to > > have it last longer while keeping a good show. > > > > 8. Why the small teams can't buy chassis from the big ones? They will > spent > > less money and will have a good car. > > > > 9. As soon a race starts, no more electronics communications between the > car > > and the box, only allow radio communication with the driver. If the car is > > not good, let the driver figure it out, and try to keep it running. The > team > > can't try to fix it remotely as today. > > > > I think this is a better 9-point plan. What do you think? > > > > Regards, > > > > Roberto > > Brazil > > > > > >

"Lee Whittles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3da6000b$[email hidden]... > I like them all. We have to get some real passing back into F1. Not the > parade that it has sadly become. > He pretty much described CART. go figure. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sEqp9.48153$hb4.11731@sccrnsc02...

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> > "Lee Whittles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3da6000b$[email hidden]... > > I like them all. We have to get some real passing back into F1. Not the > > parade that it has sadly become. > > > He pretty much described CART. go figure. > dave henrie

Isn't formula one supposed to be about technically superior equipment (hence the name formula one)? I understand that people want a good show, but the only reason the FIA should step in is if the cars become unreasonably unsafe. I think people have very short memories, can't they remember all the passing and side by side racing that occurred at Germany? There was a fair amount at Melbourne to if I remember correctly. I think what people want is to stop the dominance of Ferrari, but a single engine/car rule doesn't really make much difference (e.g. Australian touring cars are very similar, but still dominated by one teams), and adding weight to a winning driver is just ridiculous, and against the spirit of fair competition. David Corless

Formula One is a formula for the most technically advanced cars on the planet. It's a championship for engineers, as well as drivers. All these suggestions kinda go against that idea completely. Nobody says that because Arsenal are beating anything that moves in the English Premiership, that we should change the rules, so why F1? I rememeber at Austria, Villeneuve passsed (IIRC) 11 cars for position - that doesn't include first lap passes or pitlane passes. Some of the most exciting racing has been from the Sauber boys (until they dropped Massa), even at places like Imola (where ITV said what a boring race it was). I suggest you get the Sky F1 Digital thing and watch all the quality racing going on down in the midfield. Then you will realise that F1 is actually very exciting to watch, unless you just look at P1 all the time. Just my $0.02

> > > > 1. Enforce teams with more than one car, and they can have as many asthey > > want, to have totally different sponsors, two cars, two sponsors, onefor > > each. Lets see the team explain to "Marlboro", why the other car, let's > say > > "West", has been given the order to win the race, exchanging positions > > (suppose "Marlboro was first). They can easily lose a sponsor if they > start > > using Team Orders. good thing, also trying to get more but smaller sponsors is better than one big one, I guess > > > > 2. Manual gear, lets make these guys work a little bit more. It isharder > to > > do curves with just one hand on the wheel and this is also another point > of > > failure. automatic gearboxes (and semi's also) are for wussies anyway - my opinion > > > > 3. Points to more than the top 6 drivers. This way, even if it is goingto > > cost a lap, if you can fix a car, do it, you can gain points to the > > championship. Lets say, top 10. give EVERYBODY points .. (NASCAR style) .. why not rewarding your position ? in stead of rewarding the fact you are not lapped > > > > 4. No more carbon brakes, lets go back to steel. It is going to be less > > efficient and they will need to break earlier. Overtake on curves isagain > > possible. Maybe standard brakes, so FIA can control its efficiency. good idea, the technology will advance anyway, so > > > > 5. I read somewhere else a good one. Lets rule that all bodywork be > brought > > in-board of the inside edge of the tyres. That would reduce downforce a > lot. any way to reduce downforce is a good idea > > > > 6. The qualification time is for the car/driver. If they wanna race a > spare > > one, start last or train with both, each one with it's own time ofcourse. dont understand this one > > > > 7. The engine rule, one per GP is a good one, don't think it is possible > to > > have it last longer while keeping a good show. hmm, engines DO break, so if you break one in practice, end of GP ? not a good idea I guess > > > > 8. Why the small teams can't buy chassis from the big ones? They will > spent > > less money and will have a good car. Even better idea is to have an independant company, sell chassis .. like in Indy > > > > 9. As soon a race starts, no more electronics communications between the > car > > and the box, only allow radio communication with the driver. If the caris > > not good, let the driver figure it out, and try to keep it running. The > team > > can't try to fix it remotely as today. > > VERY good idea > > > > other good ideas (?) : - allowing more than 2 car per team - more qualifying - weight handicap for winning points (hehe) - any idea to make tracks more 'overtaking' power - pacecars when 'piece of paper is on the road and needs to be removed' .. meaning: faster than now is the case, using the pacecar (Indycar stylee) - allowing larger fueltanks (any size they need to get it 300 km), in fact, anything to get rid of those boring pitstops, and the even boring 'passing during pitstop', which seems to be the only way to pass a car these days

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> > > > > > 6. The qualification time is for the car/driver. If they wanna race a > > spare > > > one, start last or train with both, each one with it's own time of > course. > > dont understand this one

It's to prevent Schumacher from running his primary car in the recon laps, then jumping into the T-car then jumping back into the primary, then back to the T-car until he's decided which one feels better. If the primary fails in warmup, you take out the T-car, BUT you start in the back. > > > > > > > 7. The engine rule, one per GP is a good one, don't think it ispossible > > to > > > have it last longer while keeping a good show. > > hmm, engines DO break, so if you break one in practice, end of GP ? not > a good idea I guess Nascar has been running the 1 engine rule for most of this season. If your engine fails you swap it out, but then you start in the back. At least twice this year in Nascar races, teams have replaced engines after practice/qualifying because they felt the engine was either slow or soon to fail. The drivers started at the back of the pack and won the race. (that sounds like only two did it all year, more have but those two drove from the back to win) (snip) dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<Ds2s9.3837$qM2.1344@sccrnsc02>... > It's to prevent Schumacher from running his primary car in the recon > laps, then jumping into the T-car then jumping back into the primary, then > back to the T-car until he's decided which one feels better. If the primary > fails in warmup, you take out the T-car, BUT you start in the back. I think you will find that they are not allowed to use the T-car until warmup, so whoever the T-car is set up for has to take it out for some recon to check all the systems are working correctly. Otherwise if there is a pileup at the start, they would all jump in T-cars which didn't actually work :-) He is not checking to see if the T-car is better - remember that all his setup work has been carried out on his race car, that's 2 hours on Friday and 1.5 hours on Saturday (the Saturday session is usually more useful for qualifying). Every single team on the grid does this, not just Ferrari. There is a suggestion that a team's third driver could take the T-car out during Friday/Saturday practice in seasons to come, so with 12 teams there would be 36 cars on track instead of 24. The actual mechanics of this rule have yet to be clarified - what happens if a third driver is faster than one of the regular drivers? Do they take the 2nd drive for the weekend? But anyway, don't jump to 'MS is cheating again' conclusions if you don't know how it all works. Just my $0.02, Nick.

Nick wrote: > > But anyway, don't jump to 'MS is cheating again' conclusions if you > don't know how it all works. Actually, I have a feeling you're the one jumping to conclusions here :-), Dave probably used MS's name to illustrate a point Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

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> > > Nick wrote: > > > > But anyway, don't jump to 'MS is cheating again' conclusions if you > > don't know how it all works. > > Actually, I have a feeling you're the one jumping to conclusions here > :-), Dave probably used MS's name to illustrate a point >

Yes I wasn't condeming Schu personally, but at least for our American broadcasts, the announcers have spoken like he was the only guy who regularly does this. And, I had thought, that on at least one occaision this year he did start & race with the t-car when the primary was still fully functional. dave henrie

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> > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Nick wrote: > > > > > > But anyway, don't jump to 'MS is cheating again' conclusions if you > > > don't know how it all works. > > > > Actually, I have a feeling you're the one jumping to conclusions here > > :-), Dave probably used MS's name to illustrate a point > > > > Yes I wasn't condeming Schu personally, but at least for our American > broadcasts, the announcers have spoken like he was the only guy who > regularly does this. And, I had thought, that on at least one occaision > this year he did start & race with the t-car when the primary was still > fully functional. > dave henrie

Well, he does have the luxury of choosing between 2 cars at just about every race as the T-car is always set up for him, there were a couple of race where his CC was in the bag and RB's 2nd place was still up in the air where the T-car was se up for RB If my info is correct, for the other teams it's usually every other race or something like that, or they change it overnight to be the T-car for whoever is fastest in Qual, stuff like that Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

R Barrichello has had the T Car for all the races since France IIRC. He has been the one car hopping ;) J Villeneuve always has the T Car set up for him, it's in his contract the commentary team say. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Goy Larsen" wrote > Well, he does have the luxury of choosing between 2 cars at just about > every race as the T-car is always set up for him, there were a couple of > race where his CC was in the bag and RB's 2nd place was still up in the > air where the T-car was se up for RB > > If my info is correct, for the other teams it's usually every other race > or something like that, or they change it overnight to be the T-car for > whoever is fastest in Qual, stuff like that > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

Ian P wrote: > > R Barrichello has had the T Car for all the races since France IIRC. He has > been the one car hopping ;) > J Villeneuve always has the T Car set up for him, it's in his contract the > commentary team say. Sounds about right, now that you mention it I seem to remember something like that about JV, and since he's right there at the pointy end of the field I can understand why BAR and Olivier Panis agrees to this.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--