OT: F1's new proposals

http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 (just click register later) :-O Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 (just click register later) :-O Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

Ashley McConnell wrote: > Utterly ridiculous, but I expected no better from FIA, as usual they show a complete lack of understanding of what F1 racing is about, it's not a bloody IROC race It's man and machine against the track and other men and machines, the driver/team who does best wins, Ferrari/MS has clearly bean the best combo these past couple of seasons and it's up to the other teams to make sure this doesn't continue What FIA should concentrate on is making it easier to race close together on the track so that overtaking is actually possible It's not FIA's responsibility to level the field performance wise, that is a natural cycle that has been going on as long as F1 has existed, it IS however their responsibility to improve the racing so that an F1 race could be considered more than a chess match once you have cars that are somewhat equal in performance, these days the only way to beat a similar performing car is to beat them on strategy as overtaking is neigh on impossible, yet I see nothing in this proposal that will seriously cut into the Aerodynamic performance of the cars even though everyone agrees that this is the reason why overtaking is so difficult Bernie is a business man, he will understand eventually when his income drops off as more and more people can't be bothered to watch the race on Sundays, Max on the other hand is probably too thick, how that man has managed to be in the position he has all these years is beyond me Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Max on the other hand is probably too thick, how that man has > managed to be in the position he has all these years is beyond me > > Maybe because he was the lawyer of......BERNIE !!!

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> > Max on the other hand is probably too thick, how that man has > > managed to be in the position he has all these years is beyond me > > > > > > Maybe because he was the lawyer of......BERNIE !!!

Maybe, but Bernie doesn't have all that much power outside of F1 I think, in F1 you can almost see his ghost in every nook and cranny, but outside of F1....? So why the other parts of FIA is happy to have Max in place is beyond me, it's starting to remind me of the Ballestre days Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Haha the "drivers swapping cars every race" thing is funny :0) Someone on some forum somewhere suggested that all bodywork be brought in-board of the inside edge of the tyres. That would limit wing widths and reduce downforce without having to get too technical, seemed like a good idea to me. "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ao3il4$o18$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 > > (just click register later) > > :-O > > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > >

... What the fuck are they thinking?!?!?!? I can understand 1-3, 5, and the computer issue in 9 - they could remove traction control and automatics again that way...6 is stupid, 8 is worse, 7 is worse still...and finally...number four.... SUCCESS BALLAST?!?!? Milhouse "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ao3il4$o18$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 > > (just click register later) > > :-O > > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > >

"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote on 10 Oct 2002: > http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 > > (just click register later) > >:-O Reduce the downforce, increase the grip and get rid of traction control etc. Like everyone keeps saying. Everyone except the people who have the power to do something about it, that is... -- The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard Bits'n'Bob-stones: http://www.geocities.com/daveb75 See also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/watershipdown

Err yet another reason not to watch F1... I would goto any F1 race to watch, to see the cars and hear them, but to watch on tv is not so exciting because of the passing... but it is the premier class in motor racing. Let me pull their thing apart: 1 Driver swapping drivers race every car on the grid during the course of a season. WHAT?? Why have teams? That bad for any type of racing, even one make series! 4 Success ballast a penalty of 1kg in ballast weight per point scored during 2003. So at the end of the year the cars will weigh 1500kg? Once again this is the permier class which means highest technology, not that shit 6 Aerodynamic freeze from 2003 only two sets of bodywork can be homologated at the start of the season. As i said above.... This isnt CART or IRL, they are prototype cars that are under constant improvement 7 Long-life engines one engine per weekend in 2003, one engine per four races in 2004, and one engine per eight in 2005. This isnt so bad but it will tone the engines down, but that makes a bit of sence 9 Standardised parts all teams would have to use standardised electronics, ECUs, brakes and fixed ballast. Have i mentioned that this is the permier motorsport class that should have the highest technology? :) What i say to do is: (So you better listen bernie ;) ) Bring back active suspension etc! Brink back slicks Bring back any high technology, automatics, abs, traction control, whatever.. its sposed to be high tech :) Reduce the downforce Basically reduce aerodynamic grip and increase the "physical" grip, and bring back the technology Cool Hand Luke -=87=- Also might i add that if this goes through i can see the manufactures pulling out like in World Superbikes.. wouldnt that be grand "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ao3il4$o18$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 > > (just click register later) > > :-O > > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > >

> Maybe, but Bernie doesn't have all that much power outside of F1 I > think, in F1 you can almost see his ghost in every nook and cranny, but > outside of F1....? Well he made Max only in F1, first he was Bernie's Lawyer, then FIA's lawyer, and when they got rid of Balestre he was made FIA's boss, in fact he's Bernie's best ally, they probably have a 50-50 deal for the rights, and so FIA sells the TV right to...Bernie, without any other company in concurrency, for the ridiculous sum of 100 million $ for 99 years, yes 100 MILLION, in 2000 alone he got more than 600 million out of it...

you want passing in races, make it so that they HAVE to pass, and how do you do that ? VERY easy, you forbid the overtaking in the pits !!! as simple as that. And how do you do that ? Well you have 2 ways : 1) You forbid the pits during the race, or you make the change so long that you don't WANT to go there (maybe 5 screws per wheel and only 1 mechanic) unbless you have a puncture, fuel supply are FORBIDDEN. 2) You keep the same circus as now, but you time the cars at the ENTRANCE of the pits and ALL the cars have to spend a minimum time of say 30 seconds in the pits, so EVERYBODY spends the same time in the pits and nobody passes nobody. Of course option 1 would be more interesting because it would add an idea of "keeping your car in good shape" to finish the race properly, a bit like bike races where if you xill your tires at the beggining of the race you are in the shit at the end of the race... -- The first ever pinball ezboard !! http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: ao3il4$o18$[email hidden]... > http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 > > (just click register later) > > :-O > > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > >

In the long and sordid history of the FIA, this has to rank as the single most ludicrous load of old codswallops ever proposed. When I got the Autosport email and went to the site, I thought it might have been an April Fool's joke. Then I remembered it was October. If Max Moseley is trying to out-stupid his father, he's definitely going about it the right way. Hell, why not save a TON of expense, and put all the drivers in Formula 440 cars on a kart track? Oh... I forgot: CART already has THAT idea locked up. This would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic. BB Ashley McConnell wrote:

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> > http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 > > (just click register later) > > :-O > > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com

-- "I will not gamble one American life..." George W. Bush, October 7, 2002

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> > In the long and sordid history of the FIA, this has to rank as the > single most ludicrous load of old codswallops ever proposed. When I got > the Autosport email and went to the site, I thought it might have been > an April Fool's joke. Then I remembered it was October. If Max Moseley > is trying to out-stupid his father, he's definitely going about it the > right way. Hell, why not save a TON of expense, and put all the drivers > in Formula 440 cars on a kart track? Oh... I forgot: CART already has > THAT idea locked up. > > This would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic.

"codswallops" ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

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> > > Bart Brown wrote: > > > > In the long and sordid history of the FIA, this has to rank as the > > single most ludicrous load of old codswallops ever proposed. When I got > > the Autosport email and went to the site, I thought it might have been > > an April Fool's joke. Then I remembered it was October. If Max Moseley > > is trying to out-stupid his father, he's definitely going about it the > > right way. Hell, why not save a TON of expense, and put all the drivers > > in Formula 440 cars on a kart track? Oh... I forgot: CART already has > > THAT idea locked up. > > > > This would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic. > > "codswallops" ? >

codswallop = rubbish Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

Ashley McConnell wrote: > > codswallop = rubbish Okay, I kinda figured that was the general meaning :-), but is that an actual term that describes something specific and then got "translated" over to meaning rubbish, like "bullshit" ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Ashley McConnell wrote: >> >> codswallop = rubbish > Okay, I kinda figured that was the general meaning :-), but is that an > actual term that describes something specific and then got "translated" > over to meaning rubbish, like "bullshit" ?

(it's friday afternoon!) http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwordorigins/codswallop What is the origin of the word 'codswallop'? The story goes that a gentleman by the name of Hiram Codd patented a bottle for fizzy drinks with a marble in the neck, which kept the bottle shut by pressure of the gas until it was pressed inwards. Wallop was a slang term for beer, and Codd's wallop came to be used by beer drinkers as a derogatory term for weak or gassy beer, or for soft drinks. This theory has appeared in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, but there are problems with it. Codswallop is not recorded until the mid-20th century, rather a long time after Codd's invention, and there are no examples of the spelling Codd's wallop, which might be expected as an early form. These are not conclusive disproof of the theory - it is conceivable that the term circulated by word of mouth, like many slang terms, and that the connection with Codd's bottle had been forgotten by the time that the term was written down - but they do shed doubt on the tale. anyway, it's a word that i haven't used/heard in ages. no doubt this weekend it'll be in frequent use. dr martin.

"Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message news:3da68bd5$0$238$[email hidden]... > you want passing in races, make it so that they HAVE to pass, and how doyou

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> do that ? > > VERY easy, you forbid the overtaking in the pits !!! as simple as that. > > And how do you do that ? > > Well you have 2 ways : > > 1) You forbid the pits during the race, or you make the change so long

that > you don't WANT to go there (maybe 5 screws per wheel and only 1 mechanic) > unbless you have a puncture, fuel supply are FORBIDDEN. > 2) You keep the same circus as now, but you time the cars at the ENTRANCEof > the pits and ALL the cars have to spend a minimum time of say 30 secondsin > the pits, so EVERYBODY spends the same time in the pits and nobody passes > nobody. Option two is no good for Williams. Those BMW engines can't sit still for more than a few seconds before they begin to terminally cook. dave henrie > > Of course option 1 would be more interesting because it would add an ideaof > "keeping your car in good shape" to finish the race properly, a bit like > bike races where if you xill your tires at the beggining of the race youare

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> in the shit at the end of the race... > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de > news: ao3il4$o18$[email hidden]... > > http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20922&s=5 > > > > (just click register later) > > > > :-O > > > > Ash > > http://www.siroccoracing.com > > > > > >

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> > (it's friday afternoon!) > http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwordorigins/codswallop > > What is the origin of the word 'codswallop'? > > The story goes that a gentleman by the name of Hiram Codd patented a > bottle for fizzy drinks with a marble in the neck, which kept the > bottle shut by pressure of the gas until it was pressed > inwards. Wallop was a slang term for beer, and Codd's wallop came to > be used by beer drinkers as a derogatory term for weak or gassy beer, > or for soft drinks. > > This theory has appeared in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, > but there are problems with it. Codswallop is not recorded until the > mid-20th century, rather a long time after Codd's invention, and there > are no examples of the spelling Codd's wallop, which might be expected > as an early form. These are not conclusive disproof of the theory - > it is conceivable that the term circulated by word of mouth, like many > slang terms, and that the connection with Codd's bottle had been > forgotten by the time that the term was written down - but they do > shed doubt on the tale. > > anyway, it's a word that i haven't used/heard in ages. no doubt this > weekend it'll be in frequent use.

LOL, great That's what I love about this place, there's always *someone* who knows the answer :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen"

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> LOL, great > > That's what I love about this place, there's always *someone* who knows > the answer :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy

yeah but what about the times when EVERYONE knows about a subject but you or me? dave henrie

Dave Henrie wrote: > > yeah but what about the times when EVERYONE knows about a subject > but you or me? Since you and I are the two most knowledgeable people in this group I highly doubt we'll ever see that day Dave Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <ao4g5f$8i7$[email hidden]>, "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> writes: >What the fuck are they thinking?!?!?!? I can understand 1-3, 5, and the >computer issue in 9 - they could remove traction control and automatics >again that way...6 is stupid, 8 is worse, 7 is worse still...and >finally...number four.... > >SUCCESS BALLAST?!?!? You actually agree with 1, but DON'T like 4? Don't the touring cars use ballast to good effect now? I can't believe you'd want the drivers to swap cars. Sure, it might answer some hypothetical questions we've had(Would MS still win driving the Sauber?), but I think it's just a stupid idea... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.