Please forgive the perocial nature of this post.
Peter Brock was my one and only sporting hero since I was a child. I watched
him win the Bathurst 1000 as a kid in his '05 Torana, and later dominate
Australian motor racing in his HSV Holden Commodore.
Brocky was quite simply a legend. He was the sole reason for my own entry
into motorsport. I had the chance to meet Peter on several occasions, on
each of which he was a totally down to earth, nice guy.
I am a rationalist atheist, but Peter Perfect as he was known was the one
guy I was convinced was immortal as far as motorsport was concerned. In his
long and distinguished career, he never sufferered anything worse than a
sore neck in any of his 'offs' - at least until Today.
What a tragedy that the 9 times Bathursr (Mt Panorama) champion was killed
in an insignificant rally driving what was little more than an un-sorted kit
car. Thankfully his end was quick, as he took the full force of a sideways
slide into a tree.
At least he died doing what he loved. The first person to the scene reported
that his right hand was still firmly gripped to the wheel, even after he had
passed away.
Brocky was and will always be a hero to my generation of Aussies. Though he
retired from full time racing many years ago, he couldn't keep away from his
passion. I don't think he ever wanted to grow really old, and now he has
gone out doing what he loved.
What a bloody tragic week for Australian heros...
Tim
Flame warTribute to Peter Brock after his death
Tim Epstein paid tribute to Australian touring car legend Peter Brock, his lifelong hero, after his death in a rally accident. Others shared memories, but a dispute over whether sportsmen can be heroes turned abusive.
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> What a bloody tragic week for Australian heros...
>
>
> Tim
Heros? No.
"Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Please forgive the perocial nature of this post.
>
> Peter Brock was my one and only sporting hero since I was a child. Iwatched
his
> long and distinguished career, he never sufferered anything worse than a
> sore neck in any of his 'offs' - at least until Today.
>
> What a tragedy that the 9 times Bathursr (Mt Panorama) champion was killed
> in an insignificant rally driving what was little more than an un-sortedkit
> car. Thankfully his end was quick, as he took the full force of a sideways
> slide into a tree.
>
> At least he died doing what he loved. The first person to the scenereported
> that his right hand was still firmly gripped to the wheel, even after hehad
> passed away.
>
> Brocky was and will always be a hero to my generation of Aussies. Thoughhe
> retired from full time racing many years ago, he couldn't keep away fromhis
That's a damn shame. First Steve Irwin and now Peter Brock. I used to have a
video of 10 years at Bathurst and I remember Brock featuring heavily in it.
Wish I hadn't cleared it out now.
Bad week for Oz.
A
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> him win the Bathurst 1000 as a kid in his '05 Torana, and later dominate > Australian motor racing in his HSV Holden Commodore. > > Brocky was quite simply a legend. He was the sole reason for my own entry > into motorsport. I had the chance to meet Peter on several occasions, on > each of which he was a totally down to earth, nice guy. > > I am a rationalist atheist, but Peter Perfect as he was known was the one > guy I was convinced was immortal as far as motorsport was concerned. InQuoted text (8 lines)
> passion. I don't think he ever wanted to grow really old, and now he has > gone out doing what he loved. > > What a bloody tragic week for Australian heros... > > > Tim >
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Hear hear.
Even as a Ford man, it is easy to appreciate what Pete did. His drive in
that 05 XU1 is one of my earliest and greatest memories of motorsport - the
polarizer idea one of the oddest - LOL
He's probably giving the man upstairs some driving tips as we type! :)
Farewell Pete.
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> Please forgive the perocial nature of this post. > > Peter Brock was my one and only sporting hero since I was a child. I > watched him win the Bathurst 1000 as a kid in his '05 Torana, and later > dominate Australian motor racing in his HSV Holden Commodore. > > Brocky was quite simply a legend. He was the sole reason for my own entry > into motorsport. I had the chance to meet Peter on several occasions, on > each of which he was a totally down to earth, nice guy. > > I am a rationalist atheist, but Peter Perfect as he was known was the one > guy I was convinced was immortal as far as motorsport was concerned. In > his long and distinguished career, he never sufferered anything worse than > a sore neck in any of his 'offs' - at least until Today. > > What a tragedy that the 9 times Bathursr (Mt Panorama) champion was killed > in an insignificant rally driving what was little more than an un-sorted > kit car. Thankfully his end was quick, as he took the full force of a > sideways slide into a tree. > > At least he died doing what he loved. The first person to the scene > reported that his right hand was still firmly gripped to the wheel, even > after he had passed away. > > Brocky was and will always be a hero to my generation of Aussies. Though > he retired from full time racing many years ago, he couldn't keep away > from his passion. I don't think he ever wanted to grow really old, and now > he has gone out doing what he loved. > > What a bloody tragic week for Australian heros... > > > Tim >corey
Your a bloody idiot
MILO
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>> What a bloody tragic week for Australian heros...
>>
>>
>> Tim
>
> Heros? No.
"Milo Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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i think he was raising the fact he made a spelling mistake,i hope.
heroes you mean?
Tangy
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> corey > Your a bloody idiot > MILO > "COREY" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:65lMg.24014$[email hidden]... >>> What a bloody tragic week for Australian heros... >>> >>> >>> Tim >> >> Heros? No. > >Corey
If it was about a spelling mistake I apologize but that is still stupid as
I'm quite sure we all got the meaning of the post.
MILO
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> "Milo Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> corey >> Your a bloody idiot >> MILO >> "COREY" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:65lMg.24014$[email hidden]... >>>> What a bloody tragic week for Australian heros... >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim >>> >>> Heros? No. >> >> > i think he was raising the fact he made a spelling mistake,i hope. > heroes you mean? > TangyMilo Johnson wrote:
No. I was pointing out the fact that Steve Irwin is not a hero.
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> Corey > If it was about a spelling mistake I apologize but that is still stupid as > I'm quite sure we all got the meaning of the post. > > MILO > "Tango" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> "Milo Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in >> news:[email hidden]: >> >>> corey >>> Your a bloody idiot >>> MILO >>> "COREY" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:65lMg.24014$[email hidden]... >>>>> What a bloody tragic week for Australian heros... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>> Heros? No. >>> >> i think he was raising the fact he made a spelling mistake,i hope. >> heroes you mean? >> Tangy > >
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> No. I was pointing out the fact that Steve Irwin is not a hero.
Tell that too the worlds wildlife you witless cunt!
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> >"COREY" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:4cFOg.58523$[email hidden]... >> >> No. I was pointing out the fact that Steve Irwin is not a hero. > > Tell that too the worlds wildlife you witless cunt! >PAPADOC wrote:
> Sorry but when my favorite F1 driver was killed I didn't call Senna a Hero.
> Being a hero has nothing to do with sports. My opinion. Heroes are Firemen who
> race into buildings when everyone else races out, police officers who face those
> others turn away from, and soldiers who stand on the edges of civilization
> making sure my family and I sleep safe. Sports greats are wonderful but not
> heroes.
Heroes are defined as people who perform acts of bravery or achieve
great things. I appreciate your point of view, but to many racing
drivers are their heroes. Out of respect for the title of this thread I
personally think we should leave it there and not get dragged into a
troll post.
Cheers
Tony
Absolutely sorry to appear troll like.
Pierre
My Blog all about politics and the terror war.
www.papadoc.net/PinkFlamingoBar.html
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>Heroes are defined as people who perform acts of bravery or achieve >great things. I appreciate your point of view, but to many racing >drivers are their heroes. Out of respect for the title of this thread I >personally think we should leave it there and not get dragged into a >troll post. > >Cheers >Tony
"PAPADOC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well here's another definition of hero - someone who kills off dopey
cunts like you.
I've seen some self righteous fuckwits in my time in their own little
worlds - you're up there with the best of them dickhead!
Pathetic.
PS - you should change "blog" to "bog" in that sig.
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> > >>"COREY" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:4cFOg.58523$[email hidden]... >>> >>> No. I was pointing out the fact that Steve Irwin is not a hero. >> >> Tell that too the worlds wildlife you witless cunt! >> > > hehe..You talk to animals? Neat trick. > > Sorry but when my favorite F1 driver was killed I didn't call Senna a > Hero. > Being a hero has nothing to do with sports. My opinion. Heroes are Firemen > who > race into buildings when everyone else races out, police officers who face > those > others turn away from, and soldiers who stand on the edges of civilization > making sure my family and I sleep safe. Sports greats are wonderful but > not > heroes. > > Pierre PAPADOC Legrand > My Blog all about politics and the terror war. > www.papadoc.net/PinkFlamingoBar.htmlByron Forbes wrote:
> He's probably giving the man upstairs some driving tips as we type! :)
There is no fucken man upstairs.
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> Byron Forbes wrote:
>
>> He's probably giving the man upstairs some driving tips as we type! :)
>
> There is no fucken man upstairs.
>
How dare you.
[email hidden] (Byron Forbes) wrote:
> Well here's another definition of hero - someone who kills off
> dopey cunts like you.
Well, that's raised the tone of the debate nicely!
I've disagreed with Pierre over many things, but I do think that while
sportsmen can be useful role models (examples of dedication achieving
something after years of hard work), they can't ever be heroes. Their
field of "heroic" pursuit doesn't advance or protect humanity in any
way, it's just entertainment (and advertisement these days). However in
modern times the term "hero" has become rather diluted, so maybe I'm
just out of touch.
A man died doing something he loved. We should be so lucky.
Andrew McP
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He may not be fucking, but he sure as hell makes a racket thumping around
with those size 14 feet of his and keeping me awake!
Next time I get the apartment on the top floor!
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> Byron Forbes wrote: > >> He's probably giving the man upstairs some driving tips as we type! >> :) > > There is no fucken man upstairs. >
"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm sorry Tony, but this is only partially true.
While we may think of the classical designation of "hero" to be those who
have committed feats of bravery, the definition of the word doesn't only
encompass these people. People who have shown nobility of purpose or are
noted for special achievement in a particular field, are also classified as
"heroes" (thanks American Heritage Dictionary), so, Steve Irwin and Peter
Brock, could quite correctly be called "heroes" in their particular fields.
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> Heroes are defined as people who perform acts of bravery or achieve great > things. I appreciate your point of view, but to many racing drivers are > their heroes. Out of respect for the title of this thread I personally > think we should leave it there and not get dragged into a troll post. > > Cheers > Tony
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Got bad news for you there - or maybe good - depends on your
perspective.
How about "fuckwit" upstairs? Or do you insist we are all alone in the
big bad universe?
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> Byron Forbes wrote: > >> He's probably giving the man upstairs some driving tips as we type! >> :) > > There is no fucken man upstairs. >
"Someone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Very well put.
But the main point here is how much of a pig ignorant cunt you'd have to
be to be pedantic about this crap considering the subject matter.
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> > "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vQXOg.20113$> >> Heroes are defined as people who perform acts of bravery or achieve great >> things. I appreciate your point of view, but to many racing drivers are >> their heroes. Out of respect for the title of this thread I personally >> think we should leave it there and not get dragged into a troll post. >> >> Cheers >> Tony > > > I'm sorry Tony, but this is only partially true. > > While we may think of the classical designation of "hero" to be those who > have committed feats of bravery, the definition of the word doesn't only > encompass these people. People who have shown nobility of purpose or are > noted for special achievement in a particular field, are also classified > as "heroes" (thanks American Heritage Dictionary), so, Steve Irwin and > Peter Brock, could quite correctly be called "heroes" in their particular > fields. >
"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> But the main point here is how much of a pig ignorant cunt you'd have
> to be to be pedantic about this crap considering the subject matter.
>
Why don't you tell us?
Someone wrote:
Isn't that what I said?
"or achieve great things"
"to many racing drivers are their heroes"
I think we are making the same point, it is not solely to describe feats
of bravery
Cheers
Tony
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> "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vQXOg.20113$> >> Heroes are defined as people who perform acts of bravery or achieve great >> things. I appreciate your point of view, but to many racing drivers are >> their heroes. Out of respect for the title of this thread I personally >> think we should leave it there and not get dragged into a troll post. >> >> Cheers >> Tony > > > I'm sorry Tony, but this is only partially true. > > While we may think of the classical designation of "hero" to be those who > have committed feats of bravery, the definition of the word doesn't only > encompass these people. People who have shown nobility of purpose or are > noted for special achievement in a particular field, are also classified as > "heroes" (thanks American Heritage Dictionary), so, Steve Irwin and Peter > Brock, could quite correctly be called "heroes" in their particular fields.Oh, maybe :) Well, in that case, I support your point of view totally, even
if I'm too lazy to comprehend it fully. :)
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> Someone wrote: >> "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:vQXOg.20113$> >>> Heroes are defined as people who perform acts of bravery or achieve >>> great things. I appreciate your point of view, but to many racing >>> drivers are their heroes. Out of respect for the title of this thread I >>> personally think we should leave it there and not get dragged into a >>> troll post. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Tony >> >> >> I'm sorry Tony, but this is only partially true. >> >> While we may think of the classical designation of "hero" to be those who >> have committed feats of bravery, the definition of the word doesn't only >> encompass these people. People who have shown nobility of purpose or are >> noted for special achievement in a particular field, are also classified >> as "heroes" (thanks American Heritage Dictionary), so, Steve Irwin and >> Peter Brock, could quite correctly be called "heroes" in their particular >> fields. > > Isn't that what I said? > > "or achieve great things" > > "to many racing drivers are their heroes" > > I think we are making the same point, it is not solely to describe feats > of bravery > > Cheers > Tony
Awww gee you don't like me. Does this mean that the date this Sunday afternoon
is off?
> Well here's another definition of hero - someone who kills off dopey
>cunts like you.
Awww gee does this mean I need to be frightened? Ooh big scary man...making
threats. Careful bitch you never know who you are threatening...some people
might take it seriously.
> I've seen some self righteous fuckwits in my time in their own little
>worlds - you're up there with the best of them dickhead!
Self righteous for saying that some guy who has some talent at throwing a car
around a track does not equal the hero status of a person who runs into a
burning building to save dumbasses like you? Self righteous for saying that a
person who held his months old child over some dangerous animals as a
promotional stunt does not occupy the same stratus of heroism as a young Captain
leading his men up the stairs of a strange house to kill people planning on
blowing up vacation spots. Fuckwit? for saying that neither Senna nor Brock's
actions come close to matching the heroism of a young Sgt throwing his body on a
grenade to save his friends.
And you are calling me names...? I had backed away from this conversation with
an apology on Tony's suggestion. Consider that courtesy fucked.
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
>
> Pathetic.
>
>PS - you should change "blog" to "bog" in that sig.
>
My Blog all about politics and the terror war.
www.papadoc.net/PinkFlamingoBar.html
"PAPADOC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I don't think those firemen were heroes anyway. Look at who they were
saving - a bunch of fuckwits just like yourself. I'd say they were pretty
stupid to risk their neck for the bunch of monopoly playing pissants in that
building anyway. Idiots - not heroes. Akin to Stevos moment of madness I
guess.
Good fun dwelling on the negative in the wake of someone's death, isn't
it?
> And you are calling me names...? I had backed away from this conversation
> with
> an apology on Tony's suggestion. Consider that courtesy fucked.
>
And right back at you - lets piss all over each others parade fuckwit.
Your turn papapoodle you silly little french bitch. Why don't you go and
polish the Statue of liberty that the french are so well represented by
sweety?
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> > Awww gee you don't like me. Does this mean that the date this Sunday > afternoon > is off? > >> Well here's another definition of hero - someone who kills off dopey >>cunts like you. > > Awww gee does this mean I need to be frightened? Ooh big scary > man...making > threats. Careful bitch you never know who you are threatening...some > people > might take it seriously. > >> I've seen some self righteous fuckwits in my time in their own little >>worlds - you're up there with the best of them dickhead! > > Self righteous for saying that some guy who has some talent at throwing a > car > around a track does not equal the hero status of a person who runs into a > burning building to save dumbasses like you? Self righteous for saying > that a > person who held his months old child over some dangerous animals as a > promotional stunt does not occupy the same stratus of heroism as a young > Captain > leading his men up the stairs of a strange house to kill people planning > on > blowing up vacation spots. Fuckwit? for saying that neither Senna nor > Brock's > actions come close to matching the heroism of a young Sgt throwing his > body on a > grenade to save his friends. >I'm still stuck on the rational atheist part. Seems like an oxymoron.
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> Oh, maybe :) Well, in that case, I support your point of view totally, > even if I'm too lazy to comprehend it fully. :) > > > > "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eeDPg.21172$[email hidden]... >> Someone wrote: >>> "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:vQXOg.20113$> >>>> Heroes are defined as people who perform acts of bravery or achieve >>>> great things. I appreciate your point of view, but to many racing >>>> drivers are their heroes. Out of respect for the title of this thread I >>>> personally think we should leave it there and not get dragged into a >>>> troll post. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Tony >>> >>> >>> I'm sorry Tony, but this is only partially true. >>> >>> While we may think of the classical designation of "hero" to be those >>> who have committed feats of bravery, the definition of the word doesn't >>> only encompass these people. People who have shown nobility of purpose >>> or are noted for special achievement in a particular field, are also >>> classified as "heroes" (thanks American Heritage Dictionary), so, Steve >>> Irwin and Peter Brock, could quite correctly be called "heroes" in their >>> particular fields. >> >> Isn't that what I said? >> >> "or achieve great things" >> >> "to many racing drivers are their heroes" >> >> I think we are making the same point, it is not solely to describe feats >> of bravery >> >> Cheers >> Tony > >You must be a rational atheist too.
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