PS2 Racing Sims Versus PC

I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have been racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula 2 and NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how is the racing wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, but Leary of the quality versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my priorities. Thank you Rick

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> I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have been > racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula 2 > and > NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how is the > racing > wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, but Leary > of the quality > versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > priorities.

Rick - My boys had to have a PS2 so I got em one. I also bought the Logitech Driving Force wheel since my frakenstien Momo won't work with TSW pedals on the PS2. I've tried most of the racing titles and I have to say, they don't touch the PC versions. Nascar Heat, WRC, GT3, and the new NFS:HP2 are all fun - but not like similar titles on the PC. The wheel is good, but force feedback is nowhere near GPL, NR2002 or even Rally Trophy for that matter. More like vibrations than force feedback. I am however, waiting anxiously for the new iteration of Tomb Raider. I played TR2 on my PC all the way through, but I think I'll dedicate this one to the PS2 just for simplicty. It's awful easy to grab the dual shock controller and fire up the console. I would give my left nut to have your 57" HDTV - well maybe not ;) - Dave

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>I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have been >racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula 2 >and >NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how is the >racing >wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, but Leary >of the quality >versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my >priorities. > >Thank you >Rick > > >

Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit is getting rave reviews. It's in my top force of all-time. Other great games are Gran Turismo 3, Ferrari F355 Challenge. All three support force feedback with the Logitech wheel. F1 2002 is pretty good, but can't compare to the PC version. -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

Have you tried the Formula Racing II on the PS2? "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3Qlq9.30220$[email hidden]... > "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gylq9.20188$[email hidden]... > > I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I havebeen > > racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula2 > > and > > NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how isthe > > racing > > wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, butLeary

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> > of the quality > > versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > > priorities. > > Rick - > > My boys had to have a PS2 so I got em one. I also bought the Logitech

Driving > Force wheel since my frakenstien Momo won't work with TSW pedals on thePS2. > I've tried most of the racing titles and I have to say, they don't touchthe PC > versions. Nascar Heat, WRC, GT3, and the new NFS:HP2 are all fun - butnot like > similar titles on the PC. The wheel is good, but force feedback isnowhere near > GPL, NR2002 or even Rally Trophy for that matter. More like vibrationsthan > force feedback. > > I am however, waiting anxiously for the new iteration of Tomb Raider. Iplayed > TR2 on my PC all the way through, but I think I'll dedicate this one tothe PS2 > just for simplicty. It's awful easy to grab the dual shock controller andfire > up the console. I would give my left nut to have your 57" HDTV - wellmaybe not > ;) > > - Dave > >

Rick, I just got through writing a story for Motor Trend (Feb. issue) on console racing games. The Xbox's biggest advantage: 720p and 1020i HDTV support (not to mention Dolby 5.1). The PS2 trumps with Gran Turismo 3, a fabulous game...and it supports both a wide variety of FF wheels (incl. PC wheels from Logi & TM) *and* 720p. Unfortunately, you need to have the hard-to-find "component" TV connector cable (5-wire: 3 vid, 2 aud). It's actually easier to find the $60 Monster Cable version than Sony's own $30 cable. As to the s/w, I liked EA's NASCAR Thunder, but if you're into realism, World of Outlaws: Sprint Cars' physics model is a *lot* closer to the real thing. I didn't know Sony made HDTV sets as early as 57. --Steve Smith "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gylq9.20188$[email hidden]... > I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I havebeen > racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula 2 > and > NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how isthe > racing > wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, butLeary

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> of the quality > versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > priorities. > > Thank you > Rick > > > >

Yea, I am using the Monstor Component cable. I had a harder time finding a component switch box, but finally found one. I have been playing Final Fantasy and it really looks good, as well as Maddon 2003. Is the PS2 running 1080i? I do not think the Sony supports 720p. I went back to the future to find the Sony 57. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Semq9.21023$[email hidden]... > Rick, > > I just got through writing a story for Motor Trend (Feb. issue) on console > racing games. The Xbox's biggest advantage: 720p and 1020i HDTV support > (not to mention Dolby 5.1). The PS2 trumps with Gran Turismo 3, afabulous

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> game...and it supports both a wide variety of FF wheels (incl. PC wheels > from Logi & TM) *and* 720p. Unfortunately, you need to have the > hard-to-find "component" TV connector cable (5-wire: 3 vid, 2 aud). It's > actually easier to find the $60 Monster Cable version than Sony's own $30 > cable. > > As to the s/w, I liked EA's NASCAR Thunder, but if you're into realism, > World of Outlaws: Sprint Cars' physics model is a *lot* closer to the real > thing. > > I didn't know Sony made HDTV sets as early as 57. > > --Steve Smith > > "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gylq9.20188$[email hidden]... > > I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have > been > > racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula

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> > and > > NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how is > the > > racing > > wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, but > Leary > > of the quality > > versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > > priorities. > > > > Thank you > > Rick > > > > > > > > > >

No. Haven't tried that one... "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y2mq9.20505$[email hidden]...

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> Have you tried the Formula Racing II on the PS2? > > > "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3Qlq9.30220$[email hidden]... > > "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:gylq9.20188$[email hidden]... > > > I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have

No. Haven't tried that one...

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> Have you tried the Formula Racing II on the PS2? > > > I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Semq9.21023$[email hidden]... > > I didn't know Sony made HDTV sets as early as 57. > LOL!

>"Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote > Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > priorities. > > Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Well if you bought a PS2 for such priorities, then they are all mixed up. There's no console racing game that even approach the level of complexity and options (including often multiplayer services with 30+ drivers) of the half-dozen most complex PC racing simulations. Still, there are many quality sim-arcade games for the PS2. Gran Turismo is gorgeous to see, but it lacks any kind of complexity of let's say, GPL or NR2002 or F1-2002 on the PC. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

It's my understanding (Sony p.r. seemed *really* vague abt. this) that the PS2 supports 720p but not "true" HDTV, i.e., 1020i. "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qUmq9.16739$[email hidden]... > Yea, I am using the Monstor Component cable. I had a harder time finding a > component switch box, but finally found one. I have been playing Final > Fantasy and it really looks good, as well as Maddon 2003. Is the PS2running > 1080i? I do not think the Sony supports 720p. I went back to the futureto

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> find the Sony 57. > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Semq9.21023$[email hidden]... > > Rick, > > > > I just got through writing a story for Motor Trend (Feb. issue) on

console > > racing games. The Xbox's biggest advantage: 720p and 1020i HDTV support > > (not to mention Dolby 5.1). The PS2 trumps with Gran Turismo 3, a > fabulous > > game...and it supports both a wide variety of FF wheels (incl. PC wheels > > from Logi & TM) *and* 720p. Unfortunately, you need to have the > > hard-to-find "component" TV connector cable (5-wire: 3 vid, 2 aud).It's > > actually easier to find the $60 Monster Cable version than Sony's own$30 > > cable. > > > > As to the s/w, I liked EA's NASCAR Thunder, but if you're into realism, > > World of Outlaws: Sprint Cars' physics model is a *lot* closer to thereal

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> > thing. > > > > I didn't know Sony made HDTV sets as early as 57. > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:gylq9.20188$[email hidden]... > > > I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have > > been > > > racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2

Formula > 2 > > > and > > > NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also howis

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> > the > > > racing > > > wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, but > > Leary > > > of the quality > > > versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > > > priorities. > > > > > > Thank you > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

GT3 also has something no Papy game has ever had: gameplay. --Steve Smith (who, after all, wrote the book) "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2%nq9.755$[email hidden]...

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> >"Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > > priorities. > > > > Do they compare at all to the PC sims? > > > Well if you bought a PS2 for such priorities, then they are all mixed up. > There's no console racing game that even approach the level of complexity > and options (including often multiplayer services with 30+ drivers) of the > half-dozen most complex PC racing simulations. > > Still, there are many quality sim-arcade games for the PS2. Gran Turismo

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> gorgeous to see, but it lacks any kind of complexity of let's say, GPL or > NR2002 or F1-2002 on the PC. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

>"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote > GT3 also has something no Papy game has ever had: gameplay. Fair point Steve. It could be debated as a deliberate choice depending on the type of motorsport. I'll say compared to your typical racing game, Papyrus has incredible customisation (which always equals to gameplay). You can set yourself a race at any track of the WC, at any length, with AI of various style, with dozens of options with two sets of physics and you can even race online with even more gameplay types. Of course you all know that ;) I'll say it's just, hmm "different gameplay". Of course, that gameplay of GT3 is immensely larger but it's still not much. Once you raced those slow cars without modifications at simple tracks, will you really want to come back? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:09:11 -0400, Dameon <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's not a fair point at all. Just a stupid and obviosuly biased >comment from another stupid journalist. Uh. Steve was a GPL beta tester *and* wrote the manual (the thick one, not the skimpy one describing menus and such). If there's any bias there, I'd expect it to lie with Kaemmer's sims. As far as being stupid, I dunno about that. 4 Wheel Drift is still my #1 toilet reading choice, rivaled only by the newer Bill James books. Jason

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> I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have been > racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula 2 > and > NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how is the > racing > wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, but Leary > of the quality > versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > priorities.

I've always felt that console racing titles aren't a snip of their PC counterparts. They're always had a more 'arcade' feel. The most realistic PS2 sim I've played is F1 2002 an while it can certainly hold it's own, it suffers from canned spins, terrible AI and the feeling that it's perfectly fine to throw your car across the gravel trap and out the other side if it will get you a couple of extra positions. > Thank you Your welcome!

The PS2 supports 720p since it can give VGA out. But if the games does it.. hm.. not sure.. im pretty sure Tekken4 does it anyway. But a question, what does it do if your TV supports it, when many PS2 games outputs 640*228 resolution, or 640*480? It cant give 1020 resolution out in any game that ive seen. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GJqq9.25791$[email hidden]... > It's my understanding (Sony p.r. seemed *really* vague abt. this) that the > PS2 supports 720p but not "true" HDTV, i.e., 1020i. > > "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qUmq9.16739$[email hidden]... > > Yea, I am using the Monstor Component cable. I had a harder time findinga

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> > component switch box, but finally found one. I have been playing Final > > Fantasy and it really looks good, as well as Maddon 2003. Is the PS2 > running > > 1080i? I do not think the Sony supports 720p. I went back to the future > to > > find the Sony 57. > > > > > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Semq9.21023$[email hidden]... > > > Rick, > > > > > > I just got through writing a story for Motor Trend (Feb. issue) on > console > > > racing games. The Xbox's biggest advantage: 720p and 1020i HDTV

support > > > (not to mention Dolby 5.1). The PS2 trumps with Gran Turismo 3, a > > fabulous > > > game...and it supports both a wide variety of FF wheels (incl. PCwheels

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> > > from Logi & TM) *and* 720p. Unfortunately, you need to have the > > > hard-to-find "component" TV connector cable (5-wire: 3 vid, 2 aud). > It's > > > actually easier to find the $60 Monster Cable version than Sony's own > $30 > > > cable. > > > > > > As to the s/w, I liked EA's NASCAR Thunder, but if you're into

realism,

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> > > World of Outlaws: Sprint Cars' physics model is a *lot* closer to the > real > > > thing. > > > > > > I didn't know Sony made HDTV sets as early as 57. > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:gylq9.20188$[email hidden]... > > > > I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I

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> > > been > > > > racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 > Formula > > 2 > > > > and > > > > NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how > is > > > the > > > > racing > > > > wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV,

but > > > Leary > > > > of the quality > > > > versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would bemy

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> > > > priorities. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CTBq9.2239$[email hidden]... > The PS2 supports 720p since it can give VGA out. But if the games doesit.. > hm.. not sure.. im pretty sure Tekken4 does it anyway. > But a question, what does it do if your TV supports it, when many PS2games > outputs 640*228 resolution, or 640*480? > It cant give 1020 resolution out in any game that ive seen. > > How do you get it to output to VGA? I had a look around before but couldnt find anything (that wasnt very expensive) GT3 is great with a MOMO btw :D All the best, Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

You dont get it to output to VGA if the game doesnt support it. I only know that Tekken4 supports VGA out, but the VGA monitor must support the refreshrate. The VGA adapter comes with Sonys Linuxkit for PS2, which costs $199 for a hdd, ethernet, keyboard, mouse and vga-adapter. "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aoeqgt$ff1$[email hidden]...

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> > "Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CTBq9.2239$[email hidden]... > > The PS2 supports 720p since it can give VGA out. But if the games does > it.. > > hm.. not sure.. im pretty sure Tekken4 does it anyway. > > But a question, what does it do if your TV supports it, when many PS2 > games > > outputs 640*228 resolution, or 640*480? > > It cant give 1020 resolution out in any game that ive seen. > > > > > > How do you get it to output to VGA? I had a look around before but

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> find anything (that wasnt very expensive) > > GT3 is great with a MOMO btw :D > > All the best, > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > >

>"Dameon" <[email hidden]> wrote > It's not a fair point at all. Just a stupid and obviosuly biased > comment from another stupid journalist. Look Dameon it seems to be that you are "new" here. I think you have much to learn... no sorry, I *know* you have much to learn about this place. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <idrq9.1542$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote >> GT3 also has something no Papy game has ever had: gameplay. >I'll say it's just, hmm "different gameplay". Of course, that gameplay of >GT3 is immensely larger but it's still not much. Once you raced those slow >cars without modifications at simple tracks, will you really want to come >back?

Yes, as a devout player (well past) of PC sims and now GT3, I'll go with the "different". Not clearly better. GT3 is a blast. But I do get tired of endlessely racing the monotonous Test Circuit. And the knock-em sock-em AI that adjusts to your speed. And actually, I do like racing the slow cars. After a while, it is too easy to win with over-powered fast cars. I find it fun to race against very closely matched vehicles where one mistake may cost you all your energy. Again, too bad about the slow-down/catchup AI. But give me more real tracks, more cars on track, half-decent AI. Oh, and a dash view wouldn't hurt. Playability is more than just repeating a circuit in search of the magical 100% score. OTOH, it does have: Great cars (too bad not as many as GT2!) Very good sound. Pretty imaginative courses . Ditto the GT2 comment, and add some shorter ones like Autumn/Mini! And once in a while, a real gripping race. Try a 78 lapper where you win by less than a second. The PC needs a game/sim like this, but with the above enhancements.

Thanks Guys for all the feedback on this. I think I will pass on the racing sims for PS2. Maybe PS3? By the way, who is this dameon Terd? To many Dameon's is the reason I no longer race online. Thanks Again Rick "Phoenix Knight" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<gylq9.20188$[email hidden]>... > > I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I havebeen > > racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula2 > > and > > NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? Also how isthe > > racing > > wheel for the PS2? Would be a gas to run the PS2 sims on this TV, butLeary

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> > of the quality > > versus the PC sims. Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my > > priorities. > > I've always felt that console racing titles aren't a snip of their PC > counterparts. They're always had a more 'arcade' feel. The most > realistic PS2 sim I've played is F1 2002 an while it can certainly > hold it's own, it suffers from canned spins, terrible AI and the > feeling that it's perfectly fine to throw your car across the gravel > trap and out the other side if it will get you a couple of extra > positions. > > > Thank you > > Your welcome!

In article <lDJq9.28086$[email hidden]>, "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thanks Guys for all the feedback on this. I think I will pass on the racing >sims for PS2. Maybe PS3? From what I think was your original post, it wasn't clear if you have GT3. While I might have focused on the negatives, I suggest that you run, not walk to the store and pick it up. It is almost reason enough to buy a PS2 alone. If you already have a PS2, and are enough of a sim fan to post here, you want this game. And at $19.95 it is the bargain of the year. Yes, it is far from the last word in *racing* realism. But the graphics, sound, and *driving* realism are top notch (well, almost on the last). If only there was a PC equivalent... [btw, I used to waste countless hours on GPL, F1GP2, F1RS, SCGT...]

>"Dameon" <[email hidden]> wrote > I ain't new here you ferenchy retard. Sorry, unless you changed your nick, you're a newbie/lurker. Try to have some interactivity between the people of this NG before throwing this bullshite of yours in this thread. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I need to correct some stuff wrote here. First and foremost... there is not a single game that has ever come out on the PS2 to date that supports 720p HDTV (and yes, 720p is literally HDTV by it's own definitions). In fact, there are only two games that I know of on the PS2 that even support simple 480p (which btw is not HDTV). Gran Turismo 3 certainly does not support 480p. As far as the "gameplay" being better in GT3 over a Papy game. Since when has "gameplay" suddenly become having tons of cars and upgrade options? The cars in GT3 do not handle very realistic, they incur no damage and you can only ever race 6 other cars. You can win most track by just slamming into walls at top speed and go your way. Not to mention unrealistic understeer. If you think the gameplay in GT3 is better than GPL, seriously, stop coming to a sim forum right now and go into the mundane world of casual gamers that have grew up on a PlayStation and somehow think their "hardcore". To the poster, please tell me you didn't spew this misinformation in Motor Trend? Did you even research anything? Did you try anything for yourself? Where did you come up with this idiotic idea that GT3 can do 720p? Sheesh man.

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:14:10 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> spewed forth these words of wisdom:

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>Rick, > >I just got through writing a story for Motor Trend (Feb. issue) on console >racing games. The Xbox's biggest advantage: 720p and 1020i HDTV support >(not to mention Dolby 5.1). The PS2 trumps with Gran Turismo 3, a fabulous >game...and it supports both a wide variety of FF wheels (incl. PC wheels >from Logi & TM) *and* 720p. Unfortunately, you need to have the >hard-to-find "component" TV connector cable (5-wire: 3 vid, 2 aud). It's >actually easier to find the $60 Monster Cable version than Sony's own $30 >cable. >

I picked up a Sony component cable yesterday at CompUSA for $20. -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:50:25 GMT, "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> spewed forth these words of wisdom: >Thanks Guys for all the feedback on this. I think I will pass on the racing >sims for PS2. Maybe PS3? > You must really enjoy the headaches that comes with PC gaming! Seriously, you should rent a PS2 from Blockbuster, along with GT3 and Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2, and make a decision based on actually experiencing it. -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

"Galley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:50:25 GMT, "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]>spewed > forth these words of wisdom: > > >Thanks Guys for all the feedback on this. I think I will pass on theracing > >sims for PS2. Maybe PS3? > > > > You must really enjoy the headaches that comes with PC gaming! Seriously,you > should rent a PS2 from Blockbuster, along with GT3 and Need For Speed: Hot > Pursuit 2, and make a decision based on actually experiencing it. > Yup yer right. I had to wrestle the new install of the SSM mod for F1 2k2. But now we have great Sportscar racing on the LeMans 2000 track. Lessee...how difficult is it to load up mods on the PS2? Dave Henrie Playstation Oreca Team Viper Pilot. ^^^ note this is NOT to infer I'm driving the Viper ON a playstation, rather the Playstation sponsorship is ON the Viper. ;)

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> Yup yer right. I had to wrestle the new install of the SSM mod for F1 > 2k2. But now we have great Sportscar racing on the LeMans 2000 track. > Lessee...how difficult is it to load up mods on the PS2? > Dave Henrie > Playstation Oreca Team Viper Pilot. > ^^^ > note this is NOT to infer I'm driving the Viper ON a playstation, rather > the Playstation sponsorship is ON the Viper. > ;)

I installed the SSM Mod too and I used the combined carset and the default install with the LeMans converter. I have a Lemans track in F1 2001 but how (or where) do I get one for F1 2002 ? I also have the prototypes installed in 2001 along with the ALMS and FIA V3. Will these (or somwthing similar) become available for 2002 ? ie. Will it be possible to get the usual Porsche's and Prototypes racing in 2002 along with the fab cars that came with the Mod itself. ? Thanks in advance to all who care to reply. Elrikk

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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WcNq9.41485$[email hidden]... > > > > <snip> > > > Yup yer right. I had to wrestle the new install of the SSM mod for F1 > > 2k2. But now we have great Sportscar racing on the LeMans 2000 track. > > Lessee...how difficult is it to load up mods on the PS2? > > Dave Henrie > > Playstation Oreca Team Viper Pilot. > > ^^^ > > note this is NOT to infer I'm driving the Viper ON a playstation,

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> > the Playstation sponsorship is ON the Viper. > > ;) > > I installed the SSM Mod too and I used the combined carset and the default > install with the LeMans converter. > > I have a Lemans track in F1 2001 but how (or where) do I get one for F1

2002 > ? The LeMans track for 2k2 is included in the larger of the two dload files needed to run the SSM mod installer.(note: NOT the carsets) > > I also have the prototypes installed in 2001 along with the ALMS and FIAV3. > > Will these (or somwthing similar) become available for 2002 ? The ALMS guys are also working on this, they have screen shots of the LMP prototypes plus the new GT cars. It should be a wonderful Christmas season. The plan is for the LMP cars to be added next then the GT(Porche 993's) cars by the end of the year. They have tested 60 cars on the LeMans track but that won't be available for awhile. They claim to have the pit order problems worked out and PLAN on make 50 pit stalls available and working. > ie. Will it be possible to get the usual Porsche's and Prototypes racingin > 2002 along with the fab cars that came with the Mod itself. ? Yup but not right away. > > Thanks in advance to all who care to reply. > > Elrikk > I'm just hoping all the track & car guys get together and include the working INCAR headlights we had for the V2 FIA GT mod. A must for nite racing even tho it's probably easier to see the road WITHOUT the lights...it is just that much more immersive. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F0Oq9.41791$[email hidden]... <snip> > The LeMans track for 2k2 is included in the larger of the twodload > files needed to run the SSM mod installer.(note: NOT the carsets) > > I went back to the file I downloaded and sure enought the Lemans track is there but is did not get installed in either the SeasonSSm or Season02 dirs. Can I just drag the "lemans" Dir into the SeasonSSM dir or is ther some sort in "install" I must do ? And thanks for all that other info on what will be coming later. Elrikk

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> On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:54:14 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>Sorry, unless you changed your nick, you're a newbie/lurker. Try to have >>some interactivity between the people of this NG before throwing this >>bullshite of yours in this thread. > > > I am interacting. Just not how you would like me to.

LOL! Whattya mean I'm unkind? Just not *your* kind... Megadeth from Peace Sells. -- Fester None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm

"elrikk > Can I just drag the "lemans" Dir into the SeasonSSM dir or is ther somesort > in "install" I must do ? Yes you can. But you should make sure the game.gdb file has an entry for LeMans. It should be under SeasonSSM. dave henrie >

So now 90% of RAS are chumps. I've read enough of your bad attitude. <PLONK> "Dameon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:50:25 GMT, "Rick Sweeney" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >By the way, who is this dameon Terd? To many Dameon's is the reason I no > >longer race online. > > And why do you think I would ruin your online racing? Don't make > assumptions about my behavoir in online racing just because of what I > posted here. In fact I rarely race online because the AI can drive > better than 90% of you chumps. >

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> If you think the gameplay in GT3 is better than GPL, seriously, stop coming > to a sim forum right now and go into the mundane world of casual gamers that > have grew up on a PlayStation and somehow think their "hardcore". > To the poster, please tell me you didn't spew this misinformation in Motor > Trend? Did you even research anything? Did you try anything for yourself? > Where did you come up with this idiotic idea that GT3 can do 720p? Sheesh > man.

I *may* be mistaken, but I believe the poster who wrote the Motor Trend bit, Steve Smith, is the same person who wrote the "Four Wheel Drift" book that came with original copies of GPL. I have no idea if it was included in subsequent (budget) releases, but it was a good read. If I turn out not to be mistaken, I reckon you could cut him some slack... Mark Reading, UK

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> > "elrikk > > Can I just drag the "lemans" Dir into the SeasonSSM dir or is ther some > sort > > in "install" I must do ? > > Yes you can. But you should make sure the game.gdb file has an > entry for LeMans. It should be under SeasonSSM. > > dave henrie

Thanks again, seems to work fine. Now I can free up some disk space by uninstalling F1 2001 and its mods. ( to make room for the comming mods for F1 2002 ) Will it never end ? ;o) Elrikk

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:26:36 GMT, "Rick Sweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I just purchased a PS2 and have it hooked up to a Sony 57 HDTV. I have been >racing on the PC for years. Anyone have any comments on the PS2 Formula 2 >and >NASCAR racing sims? Do they compare at all to the PC sims? As pure, hardcore sims? No, the PS2 can't compete. For pure fun, highly tuned gameplay and polished racing? The PS2 wins hands-down with GT3, Midnight Club, and NFS Hot Pursuit 2. >Also how is the racing wheel for the PS2? It's great, but only as on the PC only in a small number of titles. GT3 and NFS are very good with the wheel. GT3 in particular. >Simulation, Graphics, and then sound would be my >priorities. For pure simulation the PC wins. For graphics, sound, and gameplay the PS2 wins. (In THEORY the PC should win in graphics - in practice this is rarely the case IME, not in racing games anyway).

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:45:35 GMT, "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote: >versions. Nascar Heat, WRC, GT3, and the new NFS:HP2 are all fun - but not like >similar titles on the PC. You generalize too much. PC has the best Nascar and F1 sims, for sure. But there is no PC arcade/sim hybrid racer that can touch GT3. Similarly, with NFS HP2 the PC version is the watered-down, untuned game that Black Box handed off to another developer several months ago. The PS2 version is vastly superior. >The wheel is good, but force feedback is nowhere near >GPL, NR2002 or even Rally Trophy for that matter. More like vibrations than >force feedback. Not on GT3. The FF is of high quality.

EB listed it at $30 (I think), but said they didn't have any in stock because NOBODY HAD EVER ASKED FOR ONE. "Galley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:14:10 GMT, "Steve Smith"<[email hidden]> > spewed forth these words of wisdom: > > >Rick, > > > >I just got through writing a story for Motor Trend (Feb. issue) onconsole > >racing games. The Xbox's biggest advantage: 720p and 1020i HDTV support > >(not to mention Dolby 5.1). The PS2 trumps with Gran Turismo 3, afabulous

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> >game...and it supports both a wide variety of FF wheels (incl. PC wheels > >from Logi & TM) *and* 720p. Unfortunately, you need to have the > >hard-to-find "component" TV connector cable (5-wire: 3 vid, 2 aud). It's > >actually easier to find the $60 Monster Cable version than Sony's own $30 > >cable. > > > > I picked up a Sony component cable yesterday at CompUSA for $20. > > -- > "Life is what you experience between racing games" > Galley

I will state this again. "GAMEPLAY" is not about graphics, cars, tracks, upgrades, sound blah blah blah. Are you guys kidding me here? No serious... am I being played on? Do I really ned to explain what "gameplay" is or like I suspect, your having fun at my expense? Hint... gameplay's biggest part has to do with "control".

In article <WE3r9.71820$[email hidden]>, "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I will state this again. "GAMEPLAY" is not about graphics, cars, tracks, >upgrades, sound blah blah blah. Are you guys kidding me here? No serious... >am I being played on? Do I really ned to explain what "gameplay" is or like >I suspect, your having fun at my expense? Hint... gameplay's biggest part >has to do with "control". Maybe we need a another hint. Seems many console games approach "gameplay" as repetition of pretty much the same thing in search of unlocking something that PC games make available from the start. All in the drive for a 100% "score".

U, thanks, Jason...I think. Could I interest you in some Christina Aguilera posters? "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:09:11 -0400, Dameon <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >It's not a fair point at all. Just a stupid and obviosuly biased > >comment from another stupid journalist. > > Uh. Steve was a GPL beta tester *and* wrote the manual (the thick > one, not the skimpy one describing menus and such). If there's any > bias there, I'd expect it to lie with Kaemmer's sims. > > As far as being stupid, I dunno about that. 4 Wheel Drift is still my > #1 toilet reading choice, rivaled only by the newer Bill James books. > > Jason

Notice I didn't mention replayability. We're all still playing GPL after FOUR YEARS! That's what I call legs! "DM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:m9Jq9.33117$[email hidden]... > In article <idrq9.1542$[email hidden]>, "ymenard"<[email hidden]> wrote: > >>"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> GT3 also has something no Papy game has ever had: gameplay. > > >I'll say it's just, hmm "different gameplay". Of course, that gameplayof > >GT3 is immensely larger but it's still not much. Once you raced thoseslow > >cars without modifications at simple tracks, will you really want to come > >back? > > Yes, as a devout player (well past) of PC sims and now GT3, I'll go withthe > "different". Not clearly better. GT3 is a blast. But I do get tired of > endlessely racing the monotonous Test Circuit. And the knock-em sock-emAI > that adjusts to your speed. > > And actually, I do like racing the slow cars. After a while, it is tooeasy > to win with over-powered fast cars. I find it fun to race against very > closely matched vehicles where one mistake may cost you all your energy. > Again, too bad about the slow-down/catchup AI. > > But give me more real tracks, more cars on track, half-decent AI. Oh, anda

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> dash view wouldn't hurt. > > Playability is more than just repeating a circuit in search of the magical > 100% score. > > OTOH, it does have: > Great cars (too bad not as many as GT2!) > Very good sound. > Pretty imaginative courses . Ditto the GT2 comment, and add some shorter

ones > like Autumn/Mini! > And once in a while, a real gripping race. Try a 78 lapper where you winby > less than a second. > > The PC needs a game/sim like this, but with the above enhancements.

The first PC gamer I came across who was a fan of Gran Turismo (before GT2 or GT3) was Alison Hine, who was also a GPL beta tester, and as much a worshipper of accurate physics as I am. She seriously got me to consider a PS2 just to play it. And now I have. It's no GPL, but it's the best thing I've found for consoles...and makes me wish Papy would do a console game (Can-Am, say, or Baja 1000) for the PS2. "DM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZIKq9.32473$[email hidden]... > In article <lDJq9.28086$[email hidden]>, "RickSweeney" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Thanks Guys for all the feedback on this. I think I will pass on theracing > >sims for PS2. Maybe PS3? > > From what I think was your original post, it wasn't clear if you have GT3. > While I might have focused on the negatives, I suggest that you run, notwalk > to the store and pick it up. It is almost reason enough to buy a PS2alone. > If you already have a PS2, and are enough of a sim fan to post here, youwant > this game. And at $19.95 it is the bargain of the year. Yes, it is farfrom > the last word in *racing* realism. But the graphics, sound, and *driving* > realism are top notch (well, almost on the last). If only there was a PC > equivalent... > [btw, I used to waste countless hours on GPL, F1GP2, F1RS, SCGT...]

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:17:19 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >U, thanks, Jason...I think. Could I interest you in some Christina Aguilera >posters? Hey now, any writer who can even compete for reading time in my house with Bill James is doing pretty damn well, especially if it's a video game book. =p Jason

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:11:00 -0400, Dameon <[email hidden]> wrote: >Bollocks again mate. "Bollocks" is not a cogent argument.

Hmmm, maybe I spend the $19.00 on GT3. I have to drive something on this damn HDTV, the suspense is killing me. "Dameon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:20:22 GMT, Joe62 > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>Bollocks again mate. > > > >"Bollocks" is not a cogent argument. > > Then I will quantify it with BALLS. ;-) >