RASCAR: Martinsville next week...

...unless Eldred wimps out. :) If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. The setup is very pushy. The lift/brake points occur well before you get to the corners. Shift down to 3rd, or stay in 4th? Shifting to 3rd allows you to brake a little later, but the trade-off is that you have less of a chance to recover if you wait too long. If you lift/brake sooner and stay in 4th, you can downshift to 3rd to help add some braking to avoid overdriving the turn in an emergency situation. If you go into a turn side-by-side underneath another car, I recommend you shift to 3rd to maintain more lateral control of the car, and re- apply the gas slowly and smoothly as you exit the turn. The physics is such that you can feel the rear end set, indicating that it's okay to stab the gas. My fastest time so far is 21.013 in traffic. Since I'm usually mid-pack as far as speed is concerned, you can expect the really fast guys to be close to 19-second lap times. The slowest guys will probably be in the 24's or so. I ran a couple of offline races against the AI, and it's REAL easy to lose a lap in the pits, especially if you try to have damage fixed. Front tires get chewed up quickly here. I was able to do about 60 laps in traffic before needing to stop for tires. The reason for the extreme tire-wear is that you almost need to stand on the brakes to slow for the turns. Add this to the pushy aspect of the setup, and you're gonna scrub the rubber off your tires pretty quick. Use your head, smooth on and smooth off, and don't get too aggressive before lap 175 - it's a 200-lap race and we all have plenty of time to settle in. Of course, the fast guys will probably lap the rest of us by lap 50... Lastly - practice, practice, practice. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Drag race... Turn.... Drag race... Turn.... Repeat... - Isotrip� "John Simmons" *Snip endless babble* ;)

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >...unless Eldred wimps out. :) No, it's still Martinsville. I really don't care how bad it is - I ain't runnin' it...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Drag race... Turn.... Drag race... Turn.... > > Repeat... > > - Isotrip� > > "John Simmons" > > *Snip endless babble* ;) >

I actually found it rather therapeutic... And, gasp, I turned on the racing line for testing. So far I haven't gotten under 22 seconds testing but it's coming. I ran one quick race offline with the crash crazy AI, kinda crazy fun but not too good for lap times! :-) Tom

John Simmons wrote: > > ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) > > If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. Just out of curiousity, how many people are showing up at these races nowadays? I got involved in a couple of races earlier this spring, and had a pretty good time. I see I'm still on the roster (#2), and now that the OT at work has subsided, I was thinking I might try and make a race or two before the season ends. (I ain't gonna start with Martinsville though!!!) Any chance I can still get some track time? Thanks, Gary

> ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) > If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. Just out of curiousity, how many people are showing up at these races nowadays? I got involved in a couple of races earlier this spring, and had a pretty good time. I see I'm still on the roster (#2), and now that the OT at work has subsided, I was thinking I might try and make a race or two before the season ends. (I ain't gonna start with Martinsville though!!!) Any chance I can still get some track time? Thanks, Gary

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> John Simmons wrote: >> >> ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) >> >> If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. > > > Just out of curiousity, how many people are showing up at these races > nowadays? I got involved in a couple of races earlier this spring, and > had a pretty good time. I see I'm still on the roster (#2), and now that > the OT at work has subsided, I was thinking I might try and make a race > or two before the season ends. (I ain't gonna start with Martinsville > though!!!) > > Any chance I can still get some track time? > > Thanks, > > Gary

If you're in the roster, and if your sierra ID (as shown in the roster) is correct, then you're probably in the invite list. As long as you're in the invite list, you can race. :) -- /*===================================================*/ There are four types of lies... lies ("You'll never need more than 64K") damn lies ("Lose weight without exercise") statistics ("Flying is safer than driving") press releases ("Windows is simply better") John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) http://www.paddedwall.org/john John Simmons (Barbarian Diecast Collector) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast/diecast_index.html /*===================================================*/

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> > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:57:56 +0000, Gary Stephenson wrote: > > > John Simmons wrote: > >> > >> ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) > >> > >> If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. > > > > > > Just out of curiousity, how many people are showing up at these races > > nowadays? I got involved in a couple of races earlier this spring, and > > had a pretty good time. I see I'm still on the roster (#2), and now that > > the OT at work has subsided, I was thinking I might try and make a race > > or two before the season ends. (I ain't gonna start with Martinsville > > though!!!) > > > > Any chance I can still get some track time? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gary > > If you're in the roster, and if your sierra ID (as shown in the roster) is > correct, then you're probably in the invite list. As long as you're in > the invite list, you can race. :)

Thanks John! I'll try and join the Martinsville practice just to make sure everything works. Two more questions: what day/time does the server come on, and what's the server ID? I haven't raced RASCAR since April if I'm not mistaken. It's been awhile, that's for sure :-) Gary Stephenson

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> >> ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) > >> If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. > > Just out of curiousity, how many people are showing up at these races > > nowadays? I got involved in a couple of races earlier this spring, and > > had a pretty good time. I see I'm still on the roster (#2), and now that > > the OT at work has subsided, I was thinking I might try and make a race > > or two before the season ends. (I ain't gonna start with Martinsville > > though!!!) > > Any chance I can still get some track time? > > Thanks, > > Gary > If you're in the roster, and if your sierra ID (as shown in the roster) is > correct, then you're probably in the invite list. As long as you're in > the invite list, you can race. :)

Thanks John! I'll try and join the Martinsville practice just to make sure everything works. Two more questions: what day/time does the server come on, and what's the server ID? I haven't raced RASCAR since April if I'm not mistaken. It's been awhile, that's for sure :-) Gary Stephenson

In article <[email hidden]>, Gary Stephenson <"the_g_man"@(nospam)excel.net> says...

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> john simmons wrote: > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:57:56 +0000, Gary Stephenson wrote: > > > > > John Simmons wrote: > > >> > > >> ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) > > >> > > >> If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiousity, how many people are showing up at these races > > > nowadays? I got involved in a couple of races earlier this spring, and > > > had a pretty good time. I see I'm still on the roster (#2), and now that > > > the OT at work has subsided, I was thinking I might try and make a race > > > or two before the season ends. (I ain't gonna start with Martinsville > > > though!!!) > > > > > > Any chance I can still get some track time? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Gary > > > > If you're in the roster, and if your sierra ID (as shown in the roster) is > > correct, then you're probably in the invite list. As long as you're in > > the invite list, you can race. :) > > Thanks John! I'll try and join the Martinsville practice just to make > sure everything works. Two more questions: what day/time does the server > come on, and what's the server ID? I haven't raced RASCAR since April if > I'm not mistaken. It's been awhile, that's for sure :-) > > Gary Stephenson >

All that info is on the roster page 4pm eastern, on Saturday. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

This is, indeed, going to be interesting :) I have another recommendation. Cars that are up high, in the second lane, for your own sake be up 1.5 lanes instead. It won't affect your times, and there will be a lot less wrecks. I've been driving 100 laps a night with ONE goal in mind. Corner entry without drifting up. But, folks, even when you do it RIGHT, the front end simply has a tendancy to wander up just a bit, sometimes after you thing it's settled in nicely. So the best recommendation I have is if you are up high, keep this in mind and give a little extra room. Even when the guys below are trying to do it right, it can turn out wrong very quickly. I sure could stand for a couple hundred pounds less weight in the right-rear spring. The ass-end is snap happy in this setup coming off! John - If you re pulling 21.00x lap times, you are going to be nearer to the top cars than you think. There's no way we'll see 19's with this setup. I think us average guys will be running mid-21's at best. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) > > If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. > > The setup is very pushy. The lift/brake points occur well before you > get to the corners. > > Shift down to 3rd, or stay in 4th? Shifting to 3rd allows you to brake > a little later, but the trade-off is that you have less of a chance to > recover if you wait too long. If you lift/brake sooner and stay in 4th, > you can downshift to 3rd to help add some braking to avoid overdriving > the turn in an emergency situation. > > If you go into a turn side-by-side underneath another car, I recommend > you shift to 3rd to maintain more lateral control of the car, and re- > apply the gas slowly and smoothly as you exit the turn. The physics is > such that you can feel the rear end set, indicating that it's okay to > stab the gas. > > My fastest time so far is 21.013 in traffic. Since I'm usually mid-pack > as far as speed is concerned, you can expect the really fast guys to be > close to 19-second lap times. The slowest guys will probably be in the > 24's or so. > > I ran a couple of offline races against the AI, and it's REAL easy to > lose a lap in the pits, especially if you try to have damage fixed. > > Front tires get chewed up quickly here. I was able to do about 60 laps > in traffic before needing to stop for tires. The reason for the extreme > tire-wear is that you almost need to stand on the brakes to slow for the > turns. Add this to the pushy aspect of the setup, and you're gonna > scrub the rubber off your tires pretty quick. > > Use your head, smooth on and smooth off, and don't get too aggressive > before lap 175 - it's a 200-lap race and we all have plenty of time to > settle in. > > Of course, the fast guys will probably lap the rest of us by lap 50... > > Lastly - practice, practice, practice. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

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> John Simmons wrote: > > > > ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) > > > > If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. > > > Just out of curiousity, how many people are showing up at these races > nowadays? I got involved in a couple of races earlier this spring, and > had a pretty good time. I see I'm still on the roster (#2), and now that > the OT at work has subsided, I was thinking I might try and make a race > or two before the season ends. (I ain't gonna start with Martinsville > though!!!) > > Any chance I can still get some track time? > > Thanks, > > Gary

I don't think our season ends. We race year-round, right ? -Larry "Gary Stephenson" <"the_g_man"@(nospam)excel.net> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> John Simmons wrote: > > > > ...unless Eldred wimps out. :) > > > > If you thought Bristol was bad, this is gonna be something to remember. > > > Just out of curiousity, how many people are showing up at these races > nowadays? I got involved in a couple of races earlier this spring, and > had a pretty good time. I see I'm still on the roster (#2), and now that > the OT at work has subsided, I was thinking I might try and make a race > or two before the season ends. (I ain't gonna start with Martinsville > though!!!) > > Any chance I can still get some track time? > > Thanks, > > Gary

In article <moZr9.149713$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I don't think our season ends. > > We race year-round, right ? > Well, I was gonna mention that. After we're done mimicking the nascar season, I think we should run a couple of 100% races in arcade mode with no damage and no cautions. And we should make it at an interesting tracks, like Bristol, Richmond, or Martinsville. Another idea would be to have a 2-hour warmup session and see who can complete the most laps in that two hours. This would have the added benefit of allowing us to go as fast as we want (or dare to) on pit road. Or maybe even run silverstone. Something that isn't the regular way we do it, and something that doesn't generate ratings or LPI values. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I'm all for longer races, but longer races without yellows just don't work out well... If you hang around for a long race, you deserve to be able to compete for the win. Without yellows, especially at short tracks, many will quit because there is no hope. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <moZr9.149713$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > I don't think our season ends. > > > > We race year-round, right ? > > > > Well, I was gonna mention that. After we're done mimicking the nascar > season, I think we should run a couple of 100% races in arcade mode with > no damage and no cautions. And we should make it at an interesting > tracks, like Bristol, Richmond, or Martinsville. > > Another idea would be to have a 2-hour warmup session and see who can > complete the most laps in that two hours. This would have the added > benefit of allowing us to go as fast as we want (or dare to) on pit > road. > > Or maybe even run silverstone. Something that isn't the regular way we > do it, and something that doesn't generate ratings or LPI values. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I was thinking more along the lines of fun races where lpi and ratings don't matter. In article <2qis9.152594$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I'm all for longer races, but longer races without yellows just don't work > out well... > > If you hang around for a long race, you deserve to be able to compete for > the win. Without yellows, especially at short tracks, many will quit > because there is no hope. > > -Larry > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <moZr9.149713$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > > I don't think our season ends. > > > > > > We race year-round, right ? > > > > > > > Well, I was gonna mention that. After we're done mimicking the nascar > > season, I think we should run a couple of 100% races in arcade mode with > > no damage and no cautions. And we should make it at an interesting > > tracks, like Bristol, Richmond, or Martinsville. > > > > Another idea would be to have a 2-hour warmup session and see who can > > complete the most laps in that two hours. This would have the added > > benefit of allowing us to go as fast as we want (or dare to) on pit > > road. > > > > Or maybe even run silverstone. Something that isn't the regular way we > > do it, and something that doesn't generate ratings or LPI values. > >

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John, I kinda like the new layout you made for the RASCAR results. Maybe it would be nice if u ranked the startup and warmup times like u did with the qualifying times. And how come you don't mention Daytona-Night 07/06 ? I'm quite fond of that one :-) cheers, jurjen

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > John, I kinda like the new layout you made for the RASCAR results. > Maybe it would be nice if u ranked the startup and warmup times like u did > with the qualifying times. That would be added coding since I didn't consider ranking warmup and practice times to be all that important. I converted yesterday's race, and I think it gave me an incorrect warmup time, so I may have some more tweaking to do. > And how come you don't mention Daytona-Night 07/06 ? I'm quite fond of that > one :-) Ummmmmm.... It looks like I may have missed one when I was building the contents frame on the page. I'll look into it. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

That would be added coding since I didn't consider ranking warmup and practice times to be all that important. I converted yesterday's race, and I think it gave me an incorrect warmup time, so I may have some more tweaking to do. Ummmmmm.... It looks like I may have missed one when I was building the contents frame on the page. I'll look into it. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

That would be cool too! I would want the server set so the points don't hit us though... -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I was thinking more along the lines of fun races where lpi and ratings > don't matter. > > In article <2qis9.152594$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > I'm all for longer races, but longer races without yellows just don'twork > > out well... > > > > If you hang around for a long race, you deserve to be able to competefor

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In article <vCEs9.160408$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >That would be cool too! > >I would want the server set so the points don't hit us though... Well, if it's not a 'rated' race, then we wouldn't have to worry about it. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+6.21 N2002 Rank:+18.91 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Exactly... -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <vCEs9.160408$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >That would be cool too! > > > >I would want the server set so the points don't hit us though... > > Well, if it's not a 'rated' race, then we wouldn't have to worry about it. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+6.21 > N2002 Rank:+18.91 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.