Which car game for PS2?

Hi all, I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: - Crashed - Burnout 2 - Ferrari 355 Challenge Which one of those would be nicest? BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that it's just not fun anymore. Thanks, Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Haven't tried any, but I did have F355 Challenge on the DC. It is supposed to be a pretty direct port. If you want the most sim-like of all console racing titles, this is the one to get. But, it's one car only, against IIRC, 7 other like cars. Only about 6-10 tracks (real). Supposedly, the graphics in the PS2 version are no better than the DC's, which were very good for that time and console, but aren't SOTA now.

Burnout 2 has the best gfx: 720p (near HDTV) output. I didn't like 355 or Sega GT (but read reviews like those on Digital Sportspage (digitalsports.com). World of Outlaws has the best physics, but I liked Need for Speed 'cuz I drive console games to relax, not get serious. "Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really > sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > > - Crashed > - Burnout 2 > - Ferrari 355 Challenge > > Which one of those would be nicest? > BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too > darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that > it's just not fun anymore. > > Thanks, > > Ruud van Gaal > Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Hi Ruud! Now that's a tough one! I'm mostly relplying to remind you Colin McRae 3.0 will be out on 25th, but I may comment on the F355 as well as I got it myself recently (can't resist a Ferrari staring at you and not buying it!). The physics seems rather good in F355, in fact it's probably one of the finest as seen on the PS2. The graphics are so-so; quite dated, but they get the job done and are smooth. The sound is also less impressive than one would expect from a Ferrari licencsed game, but the tyre squeal is one of the finest I've heard in terms of letting you know the fine ballance between when you're drifting and when you're overcooking it. The AI is trying to give you a realy rough time, though often they just catch up on you and then not overtake. Overall they give you much more of a race than in GT3, though (and no, those guys do NOT track on predestined trajectories, as some believe; I know you don't, Ruud ;) ). Track selection is also very nice, from Suzuka (long and short), Monza (old first chicane), Long Beach, Laguna Seca etc. and they seem quite accurate (certainly better than in one recent F1 sim series). The worst part is the control scheme, there is a deadzone in my LWFFGP wheel that one just can't get rid of, though with a good calibration and making the steering response more nonlinear the thing is not as intrusive anymore. It seems optimized for a gamepad, in which case probably the controls are quite nice; not that I ever tried :D. BTW, did you consider NFS:HP2? I tried the demo on a PS2 demo disc, and that one was rather fun, not to mention the physics seem more than decent as well (much nicer than in the Race Driver demo that was on the same disc, for example), if a 'tad' on the high grip side. Greetings, -Gregor On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Ruud van Gaal wrote:

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> Hi all, > > I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really > sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > > - Crashed > - Burnout 2 > - Ferrari 355 Challenge > > Which one of those would be nicest? > BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too > darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that > it's just not fun anymore. > > Thanks, > > Ruud van Gaal > Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ >

Burnout have AWESOME graphics!. It looks OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG-TERRIFIC!. I kid you not!. Too bad the physics is ala Ridge Racer, but its fun. Spectacular crashes too!. But get Burnout 2, just for the graphics show :D its got awesome draw-distance and detail. "Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really > sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > > - Crashed > - Burnout 2 > - Ferrari 355 Challenge > > Which one of those would be nicest? > BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too > darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that > it's just not fun anymore. > > Thanks, > > Ruud van Gaal > Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

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> Hi all, > > I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really > sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > > - Crashed > - Burnout 2 > - Ferrari 355 Challenge > > Which one of those would be nicest? > BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too > darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that > it's just not fun anymore.

Check out WRC - Great cockpit view and lots of fun. - Dave

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:04:15 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote:

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>Hi all, > >I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really >sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > >- Crashed >- Burnout 2 >- Ferrari 355 Challenge

V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer Dynamics and Car Physics http://www.eden-studios.fr GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44

Hey Sebastien, tell me, is there really no workaround for the LWFFGP wheel (the red one) to work normally with your sim? I've been itching to get it all along, but am hesitating, only for this reason. -Gregor On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Sebastien Tixier wrote: > > V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) >

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> Hey Sebastien, > > tell me, is there really no workaround for the LWFFGP wheel (the red one) > to work normally with your sim? I've been itching to get it all along, but > am hesitating, only for this reason. > > -Gregor >

Me too.....except MOMO in this case :) damn "no patch" consoles :) Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:21:58 +0200, Sebastien Tixier <stixier@wanadoo[NO_SPAM].fr> wrote:

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>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:04:15 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud >van Gaal) wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really >>sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: >> >>- Crashed >>- Burnout 2 >>- Ferrari 355 Challenge > > V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o)

Hehe, got yours actually, but I'm not really a rally-driver. Must get into it I guess. :) I don't have a wheel for the PS2 though. Hm, I do have an USB Modena for a Mac, which might fit. Or the ActLabs ForceRS USB, but that isn't even recognized on the Mac. :( Thanks for the tips everyone. DTM Race Driver seems indeed a little too 'velocity of vehicle = direction of joystick' whereas on that very same CD as Gregor had (nice to see you back online!) I did indeed try NFS but failed to get rid of those cops. ;-) I may try Burnout2, although the demo I had of Burnout 1 seemed to keep giving these damn deadlines that you had to meet, instead of having the opportunity to kick some vehicles out of the way for fun. :) (just like Stuntman keeps kicking you out of some cool jumping with these quick timeouts; a 'cruise around' mode would have been nice). Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:21:37 +0200, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey Sebastien, > >tell me, is there really no workaround for the LWFFGP wheel (the red one) >to work normally with your sim? I've been itching to get it all along, but >am hesitating, only for this reason. there's no workaround :(((((( The US and Jap version have been corrected but not the EURO version. but... the dynamics is not hte same in the US version, fortunately i put a cheat to have t he EURO dynamics ...pfffff ... Infogrammes AQ sucks ... !!! ;o) Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer Dynamics and Car Physics http://www.eden-studios.fr GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:26:22 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Hey Sebastien, >> >> tell me, is there really no workaround for the LWFFGP wheel (the red one) >> to work normally with your sim? I've been itching to get it all along, but >> am hesitating, only for this reason. >> >> -Gregor >> > >Me too.....except MOMO in this case :)

MOMO .... red logiteck ... same wheel ;o) > >damn "no patch" consoles :) well, PLATINIUM version.... no kinding ... :-/ Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer Dynamics and Car Physics http://www.eden-studios.fr GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:37:21 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote:

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>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:21:58 +0200, Sebastien Tixier ><stixier@wanadoo[NO_SPAM].fr> wrote: > >>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:04:15 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud >>van Gaal) wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really >>>sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: >>> >>>- Crashed >>>- Burnout 2 >>>- Ferrari 355 Challenge >> >> V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) > >Hehe, got yours actually, but I'm not really a rally-driver. Must get >into it I guess. :)

hehehe i tried Toca Race Driver , the physics si Arcade Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer Dynamics and Car Physics http://www.eden-studios.fr GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44

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> Thanks for the tips everyone. > > DTM Race Driver seems indeed a little too 'velocity of vehicle = > direction of joystick' whereas on that very same CD as Gregor had > (nice to see you back online!) I did indeed try NFS but failed to get > rid of those cops. ;-) >

Ah, Gregor does have that CD, Race Driver was very VERY disappointing. NFS was good fun, and I did manage to shake those cops once :). Gregor will verify this :). Should have seen the smile on my face when it went into slow motion over the jump :) Arcadtastic :) Reputation ruined....my closet arcader has been outed ;) Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

[email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) writes: > I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really > sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > > - Crashed > - Burnout 2 didn't like them. > - Ferrari 355 Challenge > > Which one of those would be nicest? haven't tried the PS2 version of F355 myself, but it was pretty decent on the Dreamcast. how about Toca Race Driver? or you could wait a week and get Colin McRae 3 next friday. :) Wreckless: the Yakuza Missions is right around the corner as well. that one was pretty good arcade fun on the XBox. you could check out Midnight Club, too. and maybe Smuggler's Run. both of those should be dirt cheap by now. Lotus Challenge was okay-ish too. > BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too > darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that > it's just not fun anymore. I totally agree. -- Gunnar Cougar#02748 #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 silence is FOO!

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:04:15 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote: >- Crashed >- Burnout 2 >- Ferrari 355 Challenge > >Which one of those would be nicest? If F355 is as good on the PS2 as it is in the arcade and on the Dreamcast, it's a must have. The crash physics are dodgy but the car feels fantastic if you keep it on the pavement. Best sim out there that features the CART-layout of Long Beach too, at least that I'm aware of. World of Outlaws is also fantastic. You can't lose with a Ratbag game. Jason

> BTW, did you consider NFS:HP2? I tried the demo on a PS2 demo disc, and > that one was rather fun, not to mention the physics seem more than decent > as well This has received very high ratings from reviewers (I don't have a ps/2). Apparently the pc version is not done by the people who did the ps/2 version however, so I'm very worried about how good it will be. rms [email hidden]

[email hidden] (Jason Moyer) writes: > World of Outlaws is also fantastic. what's this World of Outlaws? -- Gunnar Cougar#02748 #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 FJ�SE!

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:04:15 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote:

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>Hi all, > >I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really >sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > >- Crashed >- Burnout 2 >- Ferrari 355 Challenge > >Which one of those would be nicest?

NFS Hot Pursuit 2. Way more fun than the above.

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> > V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) > > Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer > Dynamics and Car Physics > http://www.eden-studios.fr > GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44

Okay, if we're allowed to plug our own games then, well then buy a copy of NASCAR Dirt to Daytona(R) for PS2/GC in November.... ;) Actually, I'm not sure if they're going to sell it in Europe (what you guys don't like oval tracks and dirt racing?)--I converted it to PAL, already, though. How the hell do you guys over there stand those 50 Hz TVs? The flickering drove me nuts when I was doing the conversion... okay you get a few extra lines of resolution, but what a cost.... -Dave

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:31:53 -0500, "Dave Pollatsek" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Okay, if we're allowed to plug our own games then, well then buy a copy of >NASCAR Dirt to Daytona(R) for PS2/GC in November.... I don't have a PS/2 yet Dave, but that game looks like a lot of fun. I can't remember a game having that intriguing of a career mode since ABC Road to Indy. Jason

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:04:15 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) spewed forth these words of wisdom:

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>Hi all, > >I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really >sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > >- Crashed >- Burnout 2 >- Ferrari 355 Challenge > >Which one of those would be nicest? >BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too >darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that >it's just not fun anymore. >

Get both of these; you won't be sorry! Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 Ferrari F355 -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:31:53 -0500, "Dave Pollatsek" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Sebastien Tixier" <stixier@wanadoo[NO_SPAM].fr> wrote >[...] >> >> V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) >> >> Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer >> Dynamics and Car Physics >> http://www.eden-studios.fr >> GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44 > >Okay, if we're allowed to plug our own games then, well then buy a copy of >NASCAR Dirt to Daytona(R) for PS2/GC in November.... ;) >Actually, I'm not sure if they're going to sell it in Europe (what you guys >don't like oval tracks and dirt racing?)-

Whel, we love t o go right, maybe right turning aroud ovals would be prefered ;o))))) >-I converted it to PAL, already, >though. How the hell do you guys over there stand those 50 Hz TVs? The >flickering drove me nuts when I was doing the conversion... okay you get a >few extra lines of resolution, but what a cost.... As always, US guys always think they have the best HI-FI, TV components ;o)))) Our PAL Tvs works perfectly at 60hz , with REAL color ;o) NTSC ??? huuuhh ?? Never The Same Color huh ??? ;o))))) And IIRC, US doesnt have much 16/9 Tv set, what a shame ;o)))) >-Dave > > > ok, i'm not a anti-US ;o) just kidding ;o) Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer Dynamics and Car Physics http://www.eden-studios.fr GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Ashley McConnell wrote: > > Ah, Gregor does have that CD, Race Driver was very VERY disappointing. NFS > was good fun, and I did manage to shake those cops once :). Gregor will > verify this :). Should have seen the smile on my face when it went into > slow motion over the jump :) Arcadtastic :) > Despite all that is said about Race Driver here, I have a feeling there is at least a relatively decent physics model under there. The main problem lies in the controls I noticed, where the control system seems to be second guessing you, "I want to turn left now", "No, you don't", "Yes I do!", "All right, then..." Ah, and Ash indeed did manage to shake the cops, once (the comma is important here). The smirk was hard to delete, lasted until I beat his TVR with the RUF in GT3 ;). > > Reputation ruined....my closet arcader has been outed ;) > We always knew, Ash, we always knew... -Gregor

> > Ah, and Ash indeed did manage to shake the cops, once (the comma is > important here). The smirk was hard to delete, lasted until I beat his TVR > with the RUF in GT3 ;). > Gregor "I had nowhere to go" Veble Ash :)

Sebastien Tixier <stixier@wanadoo[NO_SPAM].fr> writes: > Our PAL Tvs works perfectly at 60hz , with REAL color ;o) I though you french guys had SECAM? -- Gunnar Cougar#02748 #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 to err is human -- to forgive is bovine.

On 17 Oct 2002 11:50:33 +0200, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sebastien Tixier <stixier@wanadoo[NO_SPAM].fr> writes: > >> Our PAL Tvs works perfectly at 60hz , with REAL color ;o) > >I though you french guys had SECAM? PAL/SECAM SECAM is from hertzien TV transmision PAL from cable/sattelite and consoles Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer Dynamics and Car Physics http://www.eden-studios.fr GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:31:53 -0500, "Dave Pollatsek" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Sebastien Tixier" <stixier@wanadoo[NO_SPAM].fr> wrote >[...] >> >> V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) >> >> Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer >> Dynamics and Car Physics >> http://www.eden-studios.fr >> GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44 > >Okay, if we're allowed to plug our own games then, well then buy a copy of >NASCAR Dirt to Daytona(R) for PS2/GC in November.... ;)

Cool, but eh Nascar? ;-) Driving around in circles can be reasonably fun, although you do need a wheel to get good at it I think. The little mushroom PS2 controller doesn't really give you a whole lot of sensitivity (imagine using that to steer your real car). >Actually, I'm not sure if they're going to sell it in Europe (what you guys >don't like oval tracks and dirt racing?)--I converted it to PAL, already, >though. How the hell do you guys over there stand those 50 Hz TVs? Mine is 100Hz actually. :) Just double the rate. But you get used to the frequency, really (I do lots of gameshows here and have my SGI's set to 50Hz for that). On the other hand, 60Hz isn't that great either. And besides, don't just about all TV's nowadays do NTSC as well as PAL? > The >flickering drove me nuts when I was doing the conversion... okay you get a >few extra lines of resolution, but what a cost.... Hehe. We're hardened programmers here. I believe the bandwidth of D1 video is exactly the same for NTSC as it is for PAL btw. So the same amount of pixels (D1=720x576 PAL @50Hz, 720x486 NTSC @60Hz). Hm, might be something to check out, since I'm doing a gameshow for the US currently (Lingo on GameShow Network something), which is in NTSC. Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:31:53 -0500, "Dave Pollatsek"

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>[...] >> V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) >> Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer >> Dynamics and Car Physics >> http://www.eden-studios.fr >> GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44 >Okay, if we're allowed to plug our own games then, well then buy a copy of >NASCAR Dirt to Daytona(R) for PS2/GC in November.... ;)

Cool, but eh Nascar? ;-) Driving around in circles can be reasonably fun, although you do need a wheel to get good at it I think. The little mushroom PS2 controller doesn't really give you a whole lot of sensitivity (imagine using that to steer your real car). Mine is 100Hz actually. :) Just double the rate. But you get used to the frequency, really (I do lots of gameshows here and have my SGI's set to 50Hz for that). On the other hand, 60Hz isn't that great either. And besides, don't just about all TV's nowadays do NTSC as well as PAL? Hehe. We're hardened programmers here. I believe the bandwidth of D1 video is exactly the same for NTSC as it doing a gameshow for the US currently (Lingo on GameShow Network something), which is in NTSC. Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:02:14 +0200, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Ashley McConnell wrote: >> >> Ah, Gregor does have that CD, Race Driver was very VERY disappointing. NFS >> was good fun, and I did manage to shake those cops once :). Gregor will >> verify this :). Should have seen the smile on my face when it went into >> slow motion over the jump :) Arcadtastic :) >> > >Despite all that is said about Race Driver here, I have a feeling there is >at least a relatively decent physics model under there. The main problem >lies in the controls I noticed, where the control system seems to be >second guessing you, "I want to turn left now", "No, you don't", "Yes I >do!", "All right, then..."

It seemed overly responsive here, a bit too linear (the car just magic-carpeted over the track). Ofcourse, that may be just because I'm used to Racer's unstable cars. ;-) >> Reputation ruined....my closet arcader has been outed ;) > >We always knew, Ash, we always knew... Next thing Ash is going to implement GP4's 25Hz physics system! :) (btw from tests with real controller systems here in Holland it seemed that GP4 indeed had something like this for its internal frequency; quite an achievement actually. Sorry to say it was unusable to control the FF wheel). Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

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> It seemed overly responsive here, a bit too linear (the car just > magic-carpeted over the track). Ofcourse, that may be just because I'm > used to Racer's unstable cars. ;-) > > >> Reputation ruined....my closet arcader has been outed ;) > > > >We always knew, Ash, we always knew... > > Next thing Ash is going to implement GP4's 25Hz physics system! :) > (btw from tests with real controller systems here in Holland it seemed > that GP4 indeed had something like this for its internal frequency; > quite an achievement actually. Sorry to say it was unusable to control > the FF wheel). >

How did you know about my 25Hz physics system :-O ....see you in court :D Ash "never too many Hz" McConnell

Never mind the resolution, with PAL we get the same colour every time we watch a film ;) Seriously though, there is virtually no flickering watching a PAL source on a PAL TV, maybe you were watching it on a 60hz NTSC TV ? Even less with a new 100hz TV :) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Dave Pollatsek" wrote > How the hell do you guys over there stand those 50 Hz TVs? The > flickering drove me nuts when I was doing the conversion... okay you get a > few extra lines of resolution, but what a cost.... > -Dave > > > >

On 16 Oct 2002 21:20:29 +0200, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >what's this World of Outlaws? It's the top-line dirt track series in the US. Dirt Track Racing: Sprint Cars featured the cars/drivers/tracks from this series. Jason

Actually, the PS2 "mushroom" isn't so bad once you get used to moving your fingers in one-micron increments, and the latency is better than many USB wheels. (It also has a smoother on-center feel than some of the "other" gamepads) I was just driving around one of our road courses with an extremely greasy setup--countersteering and throttle modulation (with the right stick as gas/brake) isn't so bad, but I miss being able to occasionally right-foot brake when trying to slow down when the car is resisting pointing down the track... One setup that I find works okay for more two-foot braking is throttle on right stick up, brake on R1 (pressure). I could imagine doing other tricks like making the pressure readout of the downshift button act as an extra throttle for synched downshifting without an auto throttle blipper. "Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:31:53 -0500, "Dave Pollatsek" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >"Sebastien Tixier" <stixier@wanadoo[NO_SPAM].fr> wrote > >[...] > >> > >> V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) > >> > >> Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer > >> Dynamics and Car Physics > >> http://www.eden-studios.fr > >> GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44 > > > >Okay, if we're allowed to plug our own games then, well then buy a copy

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> >NASCAR Dirt to Daytona(R) for PS2/GC in November.... ;) > > Cool, but eh Nascar? ;-) > Driving around in circles can be reasonably fun, although you do need > a wheel to get good at it I think. The little mushroom PS2 controller > doesn't really give you a whole lot of sensitivity (imagine using that > to steer your real car). > > >Actually, I'm not sure if they're going to sell it in Europe (what you

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> >don't like oval tracks and dirt racing?)--I converted it to PAL, already, > >though. How the hell do you guys over there stand those 50 Hz TVs? > > Mine is 100Hz actually. :) Just double the rate. But you get used to > the frequency, really (I do lots of gameshows here and have my SGI's > set to 50Hz for that). On the other hand, 60Hz isn't that great > either. > And besides, don't just about all TV's nowadays do NTSC as well as > PAL? > > > The > >flickering drove me nuts when I was doing the conversion... okay you get

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> >few extra lines of resolution, but what a cost.... > > Hehe. We're hardened programmers here. > I believe the bandwidth of D1 video is exactly the same for NTSC as it > is for PAL btw. So the same amount of pixels (D1=720x576 PAL @50Hz, > 720x486 NTSC @60Hz). Hm, might be something to check out, since I'm > doing a gameshow for the US currently (Lingo on GameShow Network > something), which is in NTSC. > > > Ruud van Gaal > Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

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> Hi all, > > I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really > sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: > > - Crashed > - Burnout 2 > - Ferrari 355 Challenge > > Which one of those would be nicest? > BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too > darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that > it's just not fun anymore.

Here's another - not sure if it was previously mentioned but I rented "World of Outlaws Sprint Cars 2002" for the PS2 today and it is excellent. The graphics are even better than DTR2 on the PC IMHO. - Dave Cook

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>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:04:15 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud >van Gaal) wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really >>sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: >> >>- Crashed >>- Burnout 2 >>- Ferrari 355 Challenge > > V-Rally3 ... ok i'm not objective on this one ;o) >

I'm looking forward to that one. The PSX version of V-Rally 2 was great! -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:31:53 -0500, "Dave Pollatsek" <[email hidden]> spewed forth these words of wisdom: > >Okay, if we're allowed to plug our own games then, well then buy a copy of >NASCAR Dirt to Daytona(R) for PS2/GC in November.... ;) The previews of this game ALMOST makes me want to drive in circles. I will definitely rent it though. I am still waiting patiently for Viper Racing 2!!! -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

On 16 Oct 2002 19:23:45 +0200, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> spewed forth these words of wisdom: > >haven't tried the PS2 version of F355 myself, but it was pretty decent >on the Dreamcast. > It's a pretty faithful port, and adds the cool "Great Driver Challenge" mode. Be warned that it does NOT have analog gas/brake via the Dual Shock II; only with a wheel. WTF? -- "Life is what you experience between racing games" Galley

On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:46:35 GMT, "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Hi all, >> >> I'm thinking of picking up a new racing game for my PS2 (so not really >> sim-oriented). I've seen 3 titles: >> >> - Crashed >> - Burnout 2 >> - Ferrari 355 Challenge >> >> Which one of those would be nicest? >> BTW I already have GT3, GTA3 and Stuntman. The latter is a bit too >> darn repetive and has such long (and unnecessary) loading times that >> it's just not fun anymore. > >Here's another - not sure if it was previously mentioned but I rented "World of >Outlaws Sprint Cars 2002" for the PS2 today and it is excellent. The graphics >are even better than DTR2 on the PC IMHO.

I've never seen that version I think (I'm in Europe). I got Burnout 2 a couple of days ago, and it's quite fun. Have just about only been playing 'Crash' though. ;-) Quite a nice 'just go out and burn some fuel' type of game. :) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:52:14 GMT, Ruud van Gaal wrote:

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> > I've never seen that version I think (I'm in Europe). > I got Burnout 2 a couple of days ago, and it's quite fun. Have just > about only been playing 'Crash' though. ;-) > > Quite a nice 'just go out and burn some fuel' type of game. :) > > > Ruud van Gaal > Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ > Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Do I hear Racer development come to a screetching halt over there? ;-) Regards, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:36:43 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:52:14 GMT, Ruud van Gaal wrote: >> >> I've never seen that version I think (I'm in Europe). >> I got Burnout 2 a couple of days ago, and it's quite fun. Have just >> about only been playing 'Crash' though. ;-) >> >> Quite a nice 'just go out and burn some fuel' type of game. :) >> >> >> Ruud van Gaal >> Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ >> Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/ > >Do I hear Racer development come to a screetching halt over >there? ;-)

For a golden medal in a desert crash, it does take a bit of development time impact. ;-) Actually, I reverted back to GTA3 again. Need to finish that before Vice City comes out. :) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/