The Future Is Here! Thunder 2003.

Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own the Nascar license. You can say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose. I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be playing this game 3 months from today? PassedYa

> I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small step > backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming aspects of > NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see some of the n2003 > features in it (probably due to input from ex papyrus employees). Have I skipped several months here? Don't tell me I missed the release of GPL2 as well...

>"Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote > Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 will > become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own the Nascar > license. No. The future of nascar racing *simulations* on the PC will be NASCAR Racing 2003 by Papyrus. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:08:00 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No. The future of nascar racing *simulations* on the PC will be NASCAR >Racing 2003 by Papyrus. Until a simulation comes out that surpasses NR 2003 it will be the finest sim ever made, much in the same way that GPL is the finest open-wheeled sim ever made. Jason

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> Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 > will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own > the Nascar license. You can > say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and > not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose. > I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small > step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming > aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see > some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex > papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it > to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be > playing this game 3 months from today? > > PassedYa

I won't be playing this game period from what I have seen and read about it so far. If that is the future for our Nascar sim racing, especially online, imho we are in trouble. Hopefully Papy will make a killer update to N2002 as their finale, and we can use it for online racing for a long time to come. Perhaps if I did more must offline racing with the ai I might be more interested in it, but then again I really don't do that much online racing anymore, no where near what I used to back when we had N2 on Ten. Funny thing is, I am enjoying the hell out of F12002 offline. I guess Papy just spoiled us with their excellent mutliplayer capability. Sure would be nice to see them develop an open wheel sim again... -- Don Burnette

Robert Jordan wrote: > > Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 will > become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own the Nascar > license. You can > say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and not > release anymore nascar titles which we both lose. EA lose, not me.

It will be interesting to see if EA handles the responsibility of having that franchise well. If they don't, we can only hope Nascar see's it for what it is, and allocates it back to Papy/Sierra in the future. Anyone know how long the agreement is for ? -Larry "Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V2fs9.665$[email hidden]...

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> Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 will > become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own the Nascar > license. You can > say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and not > release anymore nascar titles which we both lose. > I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small step > backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming aspects of > NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see some of the n2003 > features in it (probably due to input from ex papyrus employees). I just > dont think we will see many PATCHES for it to improve it in the coming > year.. Do you think we will still be playing this game 3 months from

today? > > PassedYa > >

And this is entirely possible. We cannot forget that the Papy that brought us these thrilling simulations is no more. That team has long-since broken up, and the current team is working with a legacy that they inherited from the originating crew. The deplorable damage physics and AI of NR2002 are key indicators of this. The physics are really the only thing that remain "Papy" like IMHO. It's quite possible some other team can out-do Papy now, and I look forward to it. Unfortunately, NT2003 ain't it. It has it s nice points, but it's not a true simulation like we've come to know and love. It's a game for the masses, not for the hard-core simmer. -Larry "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:08:00 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >No. The future of nascar racing *simulations* on the PC will be NASCAR > >Racing 2003 by Papyrus. > > Until a simulation comes out that surpasses NR 2003 it will be the > finest sim ever made, much in the same way that GPL is the finest > open-wheeled sim ever made. > > Jason

The problem here is how long the match service stays up? It's my understanding that they removed some code that makes NR2002 no longer work with third-party match-making services. Would that be put back in to NR2003 ? -Larry "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Robert Jordan wrote:

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> Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 > will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own > the Nascar license. You can > say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and > not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose. > I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small > step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming > aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see > some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex > papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it > to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be > playing this game 3 months from today? > > PassedYa

I won't be playing this game period from what I have seen and read about it so far. If that is the future for our Nascar sim racing, especially online, imho we are in trouble. Hopefully Papy will make a killer update to N2002 as their finale, and we can use it for online racing for a long time to come. Perhaps if I did more must offline racing with the ai I might be more interested in it, but then again I really don't do that much online racing anymore, no where near what I used to back when we had N2 on Ten. Funny thing is, I am enjoying the hell out of F12002 offline. I guess Papy just spoiled us with their excellent mutliplayer capability. Sure would be nice to see them develop an open wheel sim again... -- Don Burnette

In article <V2fs9.665$[email hidden]>, "Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> writes: > I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small step >backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming aspects of >NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see some of the n2003 >features in it (probably due to input from ex papyrus employees). I just >dont think we will see many PATCHES for it to improve it in the coming >year.. Do you think we will still be playing this game 3 months from today? Truthfully, I don't care if anyone will still be playing next WEEK. From what I"ve heard so far, I don't have any intention of getting it... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+6.21 N2002 Rank:+18.91 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If it is put back, you could have a user run service, gamespy or whomever run it without a problem. They striped out the server broadcast part. I believe it is still within N2002, they just don't allow it as an option in the ini file like we had in GPL. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yBEs9.160407$[email hidden]... > The problem here is how long the match service stays up? > > It's my understanding that they removed some code that makes NR2002 no > longer work with third-party match-making services. Would that be putback

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> in to NR2003 ? > > -Larry > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Robert Jordan wrote: > > Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 > > will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own > > the Nascar license. You can > > say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and > > not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose. > > I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small > > step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming > > aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see > > some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex > > papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it > > to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be > > playing this game 3 months from today? > > > > PassedYa > > I won't be playing this game period from what I have seen and read about

it > so far. > If that is the future for our Nascar sim racing, especially online, imhowe

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> are in trouble. Hopefully Papy will make a killer update to N2002 as their > finale, and we can use it for online racing for a long time to come. > Perhaps if I did more must offline racing with the ai I might be more > interested in it, but then again I really don't do that much online racing > anymore, no where near what I used to back when we had N2 on Ten. Funny > thing is, I am enjoying the hell out of F12002 offline. I guess Papy just > spoiled us with their excellent mutliplayer capability. > Sure would be nice to see them develop an open wheel sim again... > > > > -- > Don Burnette > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<owEs9.160395$[email hidden]>...

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> It will be interesting to see if EA handles the responsibility of having > that franchise well. > > If they don't, we can only hope Nascar see's it for what it is, and > allocates it back to Papy/Sierra in the future. > > Anyone know how long the agreement is for ? > > -Larry >

I've heard it's for 6 years. :(

This is exactly what I was talking about. -Larry "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If it is put back, you could have a user run service, gamespy or whomever > run it without a problem. They striped out the server broadcast part. I > believe it is still within N2002, they just don't allow it as an option in > the ini file like we had in GPL. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yBEs9.160407$[email hidden]... > > The problem here is how long the match service stays up? > > > > It's my understanding that they removed some code that makes NR2002 no > > longer work with third-party match-making services. Would that be put > back > > in to NR2003 ? > > > > -Larry > > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > Robert Jordan wrote: > > > Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 > > > will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own > > > the Nascar license. You can > > > say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and > > > not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose. > > > I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small > > > step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming > > > aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see > > > some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex > > > papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it > > > to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be > > > playing this game 3 months from today? > > > > > > PassedYa > > > > I won't be playing this game period from what I have seen and read about > it > > so far. > > If that is the future for our Nascar sim racing, especially online, imho > we > > are in trouble. Hopefully Papy will make a killer update to N2002 as

their > > finale, and we can use it for online racing for a long time to come. > > Perhaps if I did more must offline racing with the ai I might be more > > interested in it, but then again I really don't do that much onlineracing > > anymore, no where near what I used to back when we had N2 on Ten. Funny > > thing is, I am enjoying the hell out of F12002 offline. I guess Papyjust

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> > spoiled us with their excellent mutliplayer capability. > > Sure would be nice to see them develop an open wheel sim again... > > > > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > > > > > > >

Oh, my... -Larry "Will" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<owEs9.160395$[email hidden]>...

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> > It will be interesting to see if EA handles the responsibility of having > > that franchise well. > > > > If they don't, we can only hope Nascar see's it for what it is, and > > allocates it back to Papy/Sierra in the future. > > > > Anyone know how long the agreement is for ? > > > > -Larry > > > > I've heard it's for 6 years. :(

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:39:48 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Anyone know how long the agreement is for ? Uh, EA has had a NASCAR license for several years. I don't see any reason why Papy/Sierra couldn't continue making Nascar Racing series games, except that they're probably bored out of their skulls by now. Jason

> Uh, EA has had a NASCAR license for several years. I don't see any > reason why Papy/Sierra couldn't continue making Nascar Racing series > games, except that they're probably bored out of their skulls by now. > > Jason But from what I have heard here, the license is now limited strictly to EA. They paid extra for exclusivity. Similar to the Daytona track contract Sega had. Even tho Papyrus had a fully functional Daytona track, they couldn't release it due to the track's licensing agreements with Sega. And, in fact, because Papyrus knew that someday they would have to bargain with Daytona to get track licensing rights(when the exclusive Sega deal expired), Papyrus had to police the N2/N99 track builders themselves to keep home-made versions of Daytona from showing up on the net. dave henrie

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:56:14 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > But from what I have heard here, the license is now limited strictly to >EA. Sucky. Is there any info about this out there anywhere? Jason