I have Total Immersion Racing ..

.. and all I can say is that there's nothing to see here. Move along. I downloaded it because I was scared to buy it without trying it, and I'm glad I downloaded it. No, I won't say where I got it. I wouldn't mind having a less-than-simmish racer with accurate tracks and so forth. Actually, I *really* love those types of racers. BUT, when the word is out on TIR, the people here (and everywhere) will say that there is NO fun in it at any point. It's a damned shame. Tracks are pretty nice, but not in the same league as F1-2002, etc. Cars? The F1-2001 mod cars are nicer, but my complaint isn't with the cars. They look nice enough. ---> There's almost no sensation of driving an actual car. Gran Turismo ONE did a much better job, in my opinion. You have yer MAGICALLY POWERFUL BRAKES, yer TURN-IN with almost NO semblance of body roll, PUSH, or any other representation of physics, traction loss etc.. When turning, the car rotates around a point driven vertically thru the REAR axle. No damage, nothing. I have all aids OFF, and am driving with a PSX analog game pad, analog throttle/brake and analog steering. No need to use my ( or your) TSW2 or Force RS for this one. I can't comment on FF, since the pad adapter doesn't support it. Maybe it's good, I dunno. I would have to say that the recent TD LeMans racer on PC and the predecessors on DC and PS2 is a FAR more accurate representation of driving an actual car. Not that I am overly praising TD LeMans, but let's just say that the physics are 100% better (as pathetic as that sounds) and it is a HELLUVA lot more fun, which to me is at least as important. Get this. There are only TWO cars that are available from the start. Yep. Only TWO. One's an Audi and the other is something I have never heard of. No kidding. I can't be bothered to find out what it is. *Everything* else must be unlocked in the most INANE 'career mode' that has ever graced a racing game, and I've probably played them all since 1980 or so. You're not gonna believe this one. DTR/Sprint Car's career mode is a zillion times better. I have no problem or apologies in loving a good, (less than sim) racer. I have always liked SCGT, TOCA2, TD LeMans, and now Villeneuve racing (which is an *excellent* new arcadish racer). Hell, I love GT/GT2 and they remain 2 of my favorite racers of all time. My complaint comes in whenever there is NO FUN in the game, and that is exactly what you get with TIR. ZERO ACCURATE PHYSICS, but more importantly .. NO FUN. In the upcoming days TIR will be much talked about. Don't buy it. Wait and listen to what others have to say. Just trust me on this. Empire has made a serious mistake in releasing this. Simmers will hate it and it provides no fun or excitement for arcade fans. TIR = DOA, IMO :)

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 04:44:06 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > >.. and all I can say is that there's nothing to see here. Move along. I need to add a few more facts about this, so I apologize for replying to my own post. First, my system is a P4-2.4ghz, 512mb RDRam, GeF3-64mb drivers-30.82 WHQL, DX8.1b, Win98SE, etc.. I'm using a standard PSX Dual-Shock gamepad via a $10 USB adapter. Analog steering on left stick, analog throttle/brake on right stick. As I said, I haven't used my TSW2 or Force RS with this game. TIR's performance is good on my system at full detail 1024x768. I haven't tried it at higher res yet.There's very little mip-mapping in the game, so you get the sparkly scenery, etc. This could be my setup, but I doubt it. It will most likely be alleviated to some extent when the res is increased. So far, I haven't gone back to play the game, so I haven't checked this. The tracks I have seen are just O.K.. Nothing special. Also, as far as I can see there are NO super-details in the game. For example, I thought we might at least be able to see the detailed engine, and suspension details on the cars, like all the supposed 'screenshots' we've been inundated with for a couple of years. So far, I haven't seen anything different from what is available in any current racer. The cars' appearance modelling is not as good as F1-2001 GT Mod, but the cars' appearance is decent. The cockpit view is there and looks O.K. About like F1-2001 GT Mod. Very similar. It has hands on the wheel etc., but the cockpits don't have a lot of detail. They look just .. decent. I have only seen 2 cars' cockpits though, since that is all the game has allowed. Both are coupes, so I have no idea how well the open cars are done. Replays are done well, so if you are like me and enjoy watching your racing, you won't be disappointed. The only problem with the replays is they show off the *glaringly* stupid turning antics. I venture a guess that many people are going to laugh out loud when they notice that the cars apparently have rear-wheel steering. I know I did. It used to be one of the sins of a new sim when the turning axis was through the center of the roof. Well, folks, we have a new paradigm in physics idiocy. I haven't tried weather or night (if it's available), so I currently can't comment. The AI is dumb as a box of rocks and twitches all over the place. They certainly don't drive with the physics that you do. I haven't noticed them cheating, other than what I mentioned, and there is no 'catch-up' or 'slow-down' that I have seen. I hate to say this, but if there were some of this type of cheating, there would be more fun in the game. Not realism, but fun. As it is now, you take a choice from your 2 wimpy cars, start a career and you head out to a race with 5 or 6 other wimpy cars, that you can easily beat, and a half dozen PROTOTYPE cars that run off and hide from you. That means that you race alone for the entire race, with the 5 or 6 cars in your class a distant memory in your mirror and the protoype cars are an uncatchable flyspeck in the distance. NOT FUN. I've ranted enough. I'm glad I didn't buy the game. Others may disagree with me in my criticism of it, but I doubt it. Caveat Emptor.

So I guess you weren't totally immersed? Too bad. Some of the screen shots I've seen gave me hope. Todd "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > .. and all I can say is that there's nothing to see here. Move along. > > I downloaded it because I was scared to buy it without trying it, > and I'm glad I downloaded it. No, I won't say where I got it. > > I wouldn't mind having a less-than-simmish racer with accurate > tracks and so forth. Actually, I *really* love those types of racers. > BUT, when the word is out on TIR, the people here (and everywhere) > will say that there is NO fun in it at any point. > > It's a damned shame. > > Tracks are pretty nice, but not in the same league as F1-2002, etc. > Cars? The F1-2001 mod cars are nicer, but my complaint isn't > with the cars. They look nice enough. > > ---> There's almost no sensation of driving an actual car. > > Gran Turismo ONE did a much better job, in my opinion. > > You have yer MAGICALLY POWERFUL BRAKES, yer TURN-IN > with almost NO semblance of body roll, PUSH, or any other > representation of physics, traction loss etc.. When turning, > the car rotates around a point driven vertically thru the REAR axle. > No damage, nothing. > > I have all aids OFF, and am driving with a PSX analog game pad, > analog throttle/brake and analog steering. > > No need to use my ( or your) TSW2 or Force RS for this one. > I can't comment on FF, since the pad adapter doesn't support it. > Maybe it's good, I dunno. > > I would have to say that the recent TD LeMans racer on PC and > the predecessors on DC and PS2 is a FAR more accurate > representation of driving an actual car. Not that I am overly > praising TD LeMans, but let's just say that the physics are > 100% better (as pathetic as that sounds) and it is a HELLUVA > lot more fun, which to me is at least as important. > > Get this. There are only TWO cars that are available from the > start. Yep. Only TWO. One's an Audi and the other is something > I have never heard of. No kidding. I can't be bothered to find > out what it is. *Everything* else must be unlocked in the most > INANE 'career mode' that has ever graced a racing game, and > I've probably played them all since 1980 or so. You're not > gonna believe this one. DTR/Sprint Car's career mode is a > zillion times better. > > I have no problem or apologies in loving a good, (less than sim) > racer. I have always liked SCGT, TOCA2, TD LeMans, and now > Villeneuve racing (which is an *excellent* new arcadish racer). > Hell, I love GT/GT2 and they remain 2 of my favorite racers > of all time. > > My complaint comes in whenever there is NO FUN in the game, > and that is exactly what you get with TIR. > > ZERO ACCURATE PHYSICS, but more importantly .. NO FUN. > > In the upcoming days TIR will be much talked about. > Don't buy it. Wait and listen to what others have to say. > Just trust me on this. > > Empire has made a serious mistake in releasing this. > Simmers will hate it and it provides no fun or excitement > for arcade fans. > > TIR = DOA, IMO :) > > >

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 05:44:50 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> That's a shame. I was hoping for something in the vein of what Le Mans 24 Hours should have been. Porsche Unleashed type arcade handling, passable graphics, but a fun racing experience and career mode. If it had met those minimal specs I'd be into it, but it looks like I'll be saving my money. Here's to hoping there's a demo. Jason

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:44:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote:

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>On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 05:44:50 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> >wrote: > ><snip> > >That's a shame. I was hoping for something in the vein of what Le >Mans 24 Hours should have been. Porsche Unleashed type arcade >handling, passable graphics, but a fun racing experience and career >mode. If it had met those minimal specs I'd be into it, but it looks >like I'll be saving my money. Here's to hoping there's a demo. > >Jason

Jason, you may still like it, but the overall experience, for me, is bland-ness. As to the 'career mode', it's a total joke and should have been left out of the game if they weren't going to make it a bit better. TOCA2/GT1/GT2/TD Lemans/TXR0 and Villeneuve racing, to mention a few non-hardcore racers, are so much better in the gameplay area than this, it's not even close. I've driven a couple more races, and the AI may be slightly faster and more convincing than I originally believed, but not by much. I actually came 3rd in a race where I was only getting 1st places before. But, hey, I'm 60 years old ..:) Also, I have yet to be able to totally lock the brakes, even setting it for digital control and mashing the button at high speed. Only a slight skid. Same for throttle, it seems impossible to light the tires on the 2 starting cars at least. Again, I have all aids off. I have never truly spun in a race and my only problems have been a couple of off-course excursions into the glue-coated grass. Don't take my word as law on this one. Others will give their opinions I'm sure, but I am glad I didn't buy it. I will delete it or buy it after hearing some other comments. Maybe someone here can convince me that I'm actually having fun :) Have a good one.

For some reason it wont recognize the controls on my LWFF wheel.... and when i run this POS game, the FPS drops to .2 FPS!! And my system is a 1.2mhz AMD with a GF2GTS. Something is horribly wrong with this game....Its like a BETA "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > .. and all I can say is that there's nothing to see here. Move along. > > I downloaded it because I was scared to buy it without trying it, > and I'm glad I downloaded it. No, I won't say where I got it. > > I wouldn't mind having a less-than-simmish racer with accurate > tracks and so forth. Actually, I *really* love those types of racers. > BUT, when the word is out on TIR, the people here (and everywhere) > will say that there is NO fun in it at any point. > > It's a damned shame. > > Tracks are pretty nice, but not in the same league as F1-2002, etc. > Cars? The F1-2001 mod cars are nicer, but my complaint isn't > with the cars. They look nice enough. > > ---> There's almost no sensation of driving an actual car. > > Gran Turismo ONE did a much better job, in my opinion. > > You have yer MAGICALLY POWERFUL BRAKES, yer TURN-IN > with almost NO semblance of body roll, PUSH, or any other > representation of physics, traction loss etc.. When turning, > the car rotates around a point driven vertically thru the REAR axle. > No damage, nothing. > > I have all aids OFF, and am driving with a PSX analog game pad, > analog throttle/brake and analog steering. > > No need to use my ( or your) TSW2 or Force RS for this one. > I can't comment on FF, since the pad adapter doesn't support it. > Maybe it's good, I dunno. > > I would have to say that the recent TD LeMans racer on PC and > the predecessors on DC and PS2 is a FAR more accurate > representation of driving an actual car. Not that I am overly > praising TD LeMans, but let's just say that the physics are > 100% better (as pathetic as that sounds) and it is a HELLUVA > lot more fun, which to me is at least as important. > > Get this. There are only TWO cars that are available from the > start. Yep. Only TWO. One's an Audi and the other is something > I have never heard of. No kidding. I can't be bothered to find > out what it is. *Everything* else must be unlocked in the most > INANE 'career mode' that has ever graced a racing game, and > I've probably played them all since 1980 or so. You're not > gonna believe this one. DTR/Sprint Car's career mode is a > zillion times better. > > I have no problem or apologies in loving a good, (less than sim) > racer. I have always liked SCGT, TOCA2, TD LeMans, and now > Villeneuve racing (which is an *excellent* new arcadish racer). > Hell, I love GT/GT2 and they remain 2 of my favorite racers > of all time. > > My complaint comes in whenever there is NO FUN in the game, > and that is exactly what you get with TIR. > > ZERO ACCURATE PHYSICS, but more importantly .. NO FUN. > > In the upcoming days TIR will be much talked about. > Don't buy it. Wait and listen to what others have to say. > Just trust me on this. > > Empire has made a serious mistake in releasing this. > Simmers will hate it and it provides no fun or excitement > for arcade fans. > > TIR = DOA, IMO :) > > >

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 04:44:06 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > >.. and all I can say is that there's nothing to see here. Move along. Crap.. I didn't expect that it would be a superb sim, but I did hope it would at least be fun, some sort of Need for Speed clone with some real tracks thrown in.. Stubborn as I am, I'm still downloading it at this moment to see if it's really that bad.. :-/ Andre

"Andre Warringa" wrote...

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> >.. and all I can say is that there's nothing to see > > here. Move along. > > Crap.. I didn't expect that it would be a superb sim, > but I did hope it would at least be fun, some sort of > Need for Speed clone with some real tracks thrown in.. > Stubborn as I am, I'm still downloading it at this > moment to see if it's really that bad.. :-/

Would like to know what you think, Andre. Jan. =---

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:12:02 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Andre Warringa" wrote... >> >.. and all I can say is that there's nothing to see >> > here. Move along. >> >> Crap.. I didn't expect that it would be a superb sim, >> but I did hope it would at least be fun, some sort of >> Need for Speed clone with some real tracks thrown in.. >> Stubborn as I am, I'm still downloading it at this >> moment to see if it's really that bad.. :-/ > >Would like to know what you think, Andre. >

As would I. It's certainly not the worst racer I have ever played. Maybe it's just the disappointment in what it could have been. I'm interested in other's comments.

rrevved wrote: > > But, hey, I'm 60 years old ....... I knew you were old, but that's *old*....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > .. and all I can say is that there's nothing to see here. Move along. > > I downloaded it because I was scared to buy it without trying it, > and I'm glad I downloaded it. No, I won't say where I got it. >[snip a worrying review:o( ] I've got the game on pre-order (I know, I know) for the PS/2. I'll have a look tonight as it's being delivered today, and post some kind of review tomorrow. In the meantime, their website looks OK, but the number of tracks seems a little light... http://www.totalimmersionracing.com/main.html Regards, Andy

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:00:43 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >rrevved wrote: >> >> But, hey, I'm 60 years old ....... > >I knew you were old, but that's *old*....:-) > >

And I'm a multi-time great grandfather .... ;-0 THAT'S O L D ..

rrevved wrote:

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> > On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:00:43 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >rrevved wrote: > >> > >> But, hey, I'm 60 years old ....... > > > >I knew you were old, but that's *old*....:-) > > > > > > And I'm a multi-time great grandfather .... ;-0 > > THAT'S O L D ..

Oi......I'm impressed Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:22:10 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>rrevved wrote: >> >> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:00:43 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >rrevved wrote: >> >> >> >> But, hey, I'm 60 years old ....... >> > >> >I knew you were old, but that's *old*....:-) >> > >> > >> >> And I'm a multi-time great grandfather .... ;-0 >> >> THAT'S O L D .. > >Oi......I'm impressed

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