F1 Rule Changes...

The single one-hour session on a Saturday has been abandoned in favour of two one-hour sessions - one each on Friday and Saturday. Cars will go out one at a time for single flying laps. The new system awards 10 points for a win, and will then go eight, six, five, four, three, two and one. Team orders that affect race results have been banned. The Belgian Grand Prix has been struck off the calendar because of a row over tobacco advertising. Tyre companies will be allowed to custom-make tyres for each team they supply. Well done Max and Bernie - a bunch of new rules - none of which guarentee a better spectacle on Sunday. Well done indeed. Doug

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:apjkat$26ct7$[email hidden]...

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> The single one-hour session on a Saturday has been abandoned in favour of > two one-hour sessions - one each on Friday and Saturday. Cars will go out > one at a time for single flying laps. > > The new system awards 10 points for a win, and will then go eight, six, > five, four, three, two and one. > > Team orders that affect race results have been banned. > > The Belgian Grand Prix has been struck off the calendar because of a row > over tobacco advertising. > > Tyre companies will be allowed to custom-make tyres for each team they > supply. > > > Well done Max and Bernie - a bunch of new rules - none of which guarentee

a > better spectacle on Sunday. Well done indeed. > > Doug > > Sigh, very poor indeed. ...especially custom-made tyres. Surely that will give teams with the big bucks an even BIGGER advantage. I was thinking of going to Spa this year too :(. Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

"Doug Ellison" <said: > Team orders that affect race results have been banned. That will be the day!! LMAO!! -- ed_

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:apjkat$26ct7$[email hidden]... > Team orders that affect race results have been banned. Good for them, but they will never be able to prove anything if it comes up. > The Belgian Grand Prix has been struck off the calendar because of a row > over tobacco advertising. This is SO stupid. This is, for me at least, their premier race. I see continued drops in viewage. > Tyre companies will be allowed to custom-make tyres for each team they > supply. And this is not going to last. The teams fighting over this will get downright bloody. > Well done Max and Bernie - a bunch of new rules - none of which guarenteea > better spectacle on Sunday. Well done indeed. Agreed. About the only thing that will make a huge impact is mandating that Ferarri must install boat-anchors, and that they be deployed during the race. > > Doug

"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:apjld1$rtq$[email hidden]... > > "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:apjkat$26ct7$[email hidden]...[snip]

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> ...especially custom-made tyres. Surely that will give teams with the big > bucks an even BIGGER advantage. I was thinking of going to Spa this year > too :(. > > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > >

Go and watch sports cars racing there... much more fun to watch, more accessible to the public (often large swathes of the pits are open) and generally better sounding cars with beastly handling. Marvellous.

I've been watching APBA Offshore boat racing lately. This is pretty cool stuff! -Larry "AndyC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:apjn62$hpr$[email hidden]... > Go and watch sports cars racing there... much more fun to watch, more > accessible to the public (often large swathes of the pits are open) and > generally better sounding cars with beastly handling. > Marvellous. > >

For me, the loss of the race at Spa is incredibly disappointing. If there was only one track worth keeping on the schedule, it was Spa. First, they emasculate Hockenheim, then they kill Spa. Well done! (NOT!) Doug Ellison wrote:

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> The single one-hour session on a Saturday has been abandoned in favour of > two one-hour sessions - one each on Friday and Saturday. Cars will go out > one at a time for single flying laps. > > The new system awards 10 points for a win, and will then go eight, six, > five, four, three, two and one. > > Team orders that affect race results have been banned. > > The Belgian Grand Prix has been struck off the calendar because of a row > over tobacco advertising. > > Tyre companies will be allowed to custom-make tyres for each team they > supply. > > Well done Max and Bernie - a bunch of new rules - none of which guarentee a > better spectacle on Sunday. Well done indeed. > > Doug

For me, the loss of the race at Spa is incredibly disappointing. If there was only one track worth keeping on the schedule, it was Spa. First, they emasculate Hockenheim, then they kill Spa. Well done! (NOT!)

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> The single one-hour session on a Saturday has been abandoned in favour of > two one-hour sessions - one each on Friday and Saturday. Cars will go out > one at a time for single flying laps. > The new system awards 10 points for a win, and will then go eight, six, > five, four, three, two and one. > Team orders that affect race results have been banned. > The Belgian Grand Prix has been struck off the calendar because of a row > over tobacco advertising. > Tyre companies will be allowed to custom-make tyres for each team they > supply. > Well done Max and Bernie - a bunch of new rules - none of which guarentee a > better spectacle on Sunday. Well done indeed. > Doug

It's the Mickey Mouse Courses, that will survive Rolf

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:27:45 -0000, "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >...especially custom-made tyres. Surely that will give teams with the big >bucks an even BIGGER advantage. I was thinking of going to Spa this year >too :(. The loss of spa sucks, but I like the tire rule. It essentially puts the teams on the same playing field as Ferrari in that regard, since the Bridgestones were developed specifically for them. I don't have any faith in Williams/McLaren/etc taking advantage of that and making things more competitive next year, but you never know. Jason

"Rolf Wesemann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:apk1ho$dc3$01$[email hidden]... > It's the Mickey Mouse Courses, that will survive You're right. Blank canvas projects that have produced complete shite in the last few years. Sepang, China, Indy. Hell - they could even have done something interesting at Hockenheim - but nope - shite again If Max and Bernie get their way - it'll 16 Sepangs all in the far east and the americas Doug

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote on 28 Oct 2002: > I've been watching APBA Offshore boat racing lately. This is > pretty cool stuff! Blimey, I knew Spa could be wet, but...! -- Above address *is* valid - but snip spamtrap to get me to *read*! 1) The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard 2a) Bits'n'Bob-stones: http://www.geocities.com/daveb75 2b) WD Yahoo! Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/watershipdown

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:apjkat$26ct7$[email hidden]...

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> The single one-hour session on a Saturday has been abandoned in favour of > two one-hour sessions - one each on Friday and Saturday. Cars will go out > one at a time for single flying laps. > > The new system awards 10 points for a win, and will then go eight, six, > five, four, three, two and one. > > Team orders that affect race results have been banned. > > The Belgian Grand Prix has been struck off the calendar because of a row > over tobacco advertising. > > Tyre companies will be allowed to custom-make tyres for each team they > supply. > > > Well done Max and Bernie - a bunch of new rules - none of which guarentee

a > better spectacle on Sunday. Well done indeed. > > DougHow does changing the points structure help? All they've done is devalue a F1 racing win. IMO this will mean there is even less reason to fight for places - why risk fighting for first place when it is worth almost the same as second? Bloody tools David Corless

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Doug Ellison wrote: ... > Tyre companies will be allowed to custom-make tyres for each team they > supply. This opens up something I've been talking up for several years -- why don't the F1 teams _design_ their own tires? We know that F1 teams all spend huge money on wind tunnel testing but are forced to design their cars to "match" with the performance of the available tires. If the car center-of- gravity (to name just one basic car feature) is in the wrong place for the tires, that car will never be competitive. Tire testing facilities are considerably cheaper than wind tunnels...although tire testing is also an expensive business. Note I'm not suggesting they make the tires in-house or even develop the tread rubber compounds--which calls for a rubber factory, a chemistry department and skilled labor. I'm visualizing tire design information sent to an existing tire company for construction -- a large number of tire performance-parameters can be controlled by the internal arrangement of different types of cord, different types of rubbers and fillers, etc. While this might not make for good racing in the long term, I think that the first team that brings on a tire-design staff to work in the same office as their vehicle dynamics staff could have a large advantage. Maybe, as someone else suggested, Ferrari and Bridgestone have (in effect) already put these engineers/designers in the same room?? -- Doug Milliken www.millikenresearch.com

"Doug Milliken" > Maybe, as someone else suggested, Ferrari and Bridgestone have (in effect) > already put these engineers/designers in the same room?? > > -- Doug Milliken > www.millikenresearch.com > From what I heard this year(and last?), there was a special team of Ferrari engineers that worked with the Bridgestone people...everyone else got stuffed! dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/02

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:31:41 +1100, "David Corless" <david.corless.no.spam[@]utseduau> wrote: >How does changing the points structure help? >All they've done is devalue a F1 racing win. >IMO this will mean there is even less reason to fight for places - why risk >fighting for first place when it is worth almost the same as second? Call up some Winston Cup drivers and ask them. Tony Stewart would be a great one to ask, right about now. Personally, I'd to see last place get one point and every position above that receive an additional point, with 1 point given for leading a lap and 1 given for leading the most laps. Would do wonders for competitiveness, and would certainly ensure that there's never a boring season. Imagine a championship coming down to 1 point because Ralfie didn't stay out and lead a lap at one of the races. Jason

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:32:59 GMT, Doug Milliken <[email hidden]> wrote: >Maybe, as someone else suggested, Ferrari and Bridgestone have (in effect) >already put these engineers/designers in the same room?? This is the point where the lightbulb in everyone's head should go off. I mean, think about Ferrari's dominance. They don't have the best aero package (they never have in the history of the company's involvement in F1) and they haven't had the best engines since the pre-turbo era. Yet both drivers stomp all over the field. Sure electronics probably have something to do with it, as does reliability which has always been a hallmark of Ferrari but... As I understand it, the most important part of going fast, from an automotive engineering standpoint, is optimizing the efficiency of the tires. If Ferrari is sleeping with Bridgestone, as I've seen reported many times, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that's why they're so dominant. Jason

"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:32:59 GMT, Doug Milliken <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Maybe, as someone else suggested, Ferrari and Bridgestone have (ineffect)

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> >already put these engineers/designers in the same room?? > > This is the point where the lightbulb in everyone's head should go > off. > > I mean, think about Ferrari's dominance. They don't have the best > aero package (they never have in the history of the company's > involvement in F1) and they haven't had the best engines since the > pre-turbo era. Yet both drivers stomp all over the field. Sure > electronics probably have something to do with it, as does reliability > which has always been a hallmark of Ferrari but... As I understand > it, the most important part of going fast, from an automotive > engineering standpoint, is optimizing the efficiency of the tires. If > Ferrari is sleeping with Bridgestone, as I've seen reported many > times, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that's why they're so > dominant. > > Jason

i agree with your conclusion, but ANYone who thinks the latest Ferrari engine isn't on Par with ANYTHING out there is not paying attention. And the Aero-package on the current chassis is 2nd to none. Yes they have a great tire relationship with Bridgestone, but they have also optimized the rest of the package. I didn't even see the vaunted BMW block pull the Merced the last few events... dave henrie

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:apjkat$26ct7$[email hidden]... > > Well done Max and Bernie - a bunch of new rules - none of which guarenteea > better spectacle on Sunday. Well done indeed. > > Doug > > Heh, agreed. So now Rubinho gets 8 points a race, not 6. As for the possibility of a Ferrari cocking up qualifying and having to actually pass a few cars, we saw last season that that ain't hard for them...(or remember the season before where RB started last and won?) Nope, they haven't won me back...

In article <apjkat$26ct7$[email hidden]>, "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: >The single one-hour session on a Saturday has been abandoned in favour of >two one-hour sessions - one each on Friday and Saturday. Cars will go out >one at a time for single flying laps. >Bah - part of the fun was watching how drivers deal with slower traffic during their flying laps... >The new system awards 10 points for a win, and will then go eight, six, >five, four, three, two and one. At least a top 8 finish is now worth SOMETHING. > >Team orders that affect race results have been banned. Yeah, like they could PROVE it? As has been stated before, all it takes is a 'mistake' during a pitstop to put the team cars in the desired order.. >The Belgian Grand Prix has been struck off the calendar because of a row >over tobacco advertising. > >Tyre companies will be allowed to custom-make tyres for each team they >supply. And of course, the better-financed teams can pay for 'special' tires. :-( > >Well done Max and Bernie - a bunch of new rules - none of which guarentee a >better spectacle on Sunday. Well done indeed. Bleah... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+6.21 N2002 Rank:+18.91 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Doug Ellison wrote: > The new system awards 10 points for a win, and will then go eight, six, > five, four, three, two and one. >Brilliant! So if you're coming second, you're less likely to challenge for the lead 'cause you know you'll still get 8 points. And a rap over the knuckles from the team if you risk trying to win. Big incentive! CH