LFS shift-f is more realistic!

With the LFS H2 patch, shift-f turns off all the extra stuff on the screen. This is great and more realistic (except you can't see your speed or RPMs.) Does anyone know if the final version will have the speedometer and tach. on the dash? I sure hope so. Russell

R Keating wrote: > With the LFS H2 patch, shift-f turns off all the extra stuff on the screen. > This is great and more realistic (except you can't see your speed or RPMs.) > Does anyone know if the final version will have the speedometer and tach. on > the dash? I sure hope so. > > Russell Speedometer in a race car?

> Speedometer in a race car ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, I guess.

In article <aq4e6g$6fruj$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > Speedometer in a race car > > ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, I guess. If it is so critical, tell me why real life race cars don't have them. -- ________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com ________________________

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aq4e6g$6fruj$[email hidden]... > > Speedometer in a race car > > ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, Iguess. If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times, DON'T EXAGGERATE ;-) It's not "absolutely critical". Steering is critical, brakes are critical, a speedo is "useful". Malc.

> > > Speedometer in a race car > > > > ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, Iguess. > > If it is so critical, tell me why real life race cars don't have them. Malc's right - it's certainly not critical but very useful. I think F1 cars have them, don't they? You can use the taco to see if you're on the pace of course, but glancing at a speedo is usually more helpful. The reason that most race cars don't bother with them is that they're usually minimalist and don't want the extra fluff of a speedo.

Damien Smith wrote: >>Speedometer in a race car > > > ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, I guess. > > A tachometer is more critical than a speedometer. It's more accurate and also gives you more information. Such as whether you're in the powerband of the engine, and to some extent what gear you're in. I've never seen speedometer in a race car, because they don't tell you everytying you need to know.

"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > R Keating wrote: > > With the LFS H2 patch, shift-f turns off all the extra stuff on thescreen. > > This is great and more realistic (except you can't see your speed orRPMs.) > > Does anyone know if the final version will have the speedometer andtach. on > > the dash? I sure hope so. > > > > Russell > > Speedometer in a race car? > The LFS cars appear to be representations of road cars, not race cars. The GTi is a bit like a Fiesta/Focus/Saxo and the turbo is a bit Mazda/Porsche, depending on who you ask :0) But yeah, a speedometer in a race car is as much use as a CD player or a cupholder.

> The LFS cars appear to be representations of road cars, not race cars. The > GTi is a bit like a Fiesta/Focus/Saxo and the turbo is a bitMazda/Porsche, > depending on who you ask :0) The front of the GTi looks very much like a Pulsar to me.

Looks like a Volkswagen Golf to me... Milhouse "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Snmx9.6989$[email hidden]...

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> > "Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > R Keating wrote: > > > With the LFS H2 patch, shift-f turns off all the extra stuff on the > screen. > > > This is great and more realistic (except you can't see your speed or > RPMs.) > > > Does anyone know if the final version will have the speedometer and > tach. on > > > the dash? I sure hope so. > > > > > > Russell > > > > Speedometer in a race car? > > > > The LFS cars appear to be representations of road cars, not race cars. The > GTi is a bit like a Fiesta/Focus/Saxo and the turbo is a bit

Mazda/Porsche, > depending on who you ask :0) > > But yeah, a speedometer in a race car is as much use as a CD player or a > cupholder. > >

As long as you're going faster than the other guys, it doesn't really matter what actual speed you're going at. -- Mr Q (replies to mrq AT optusnet DOT com DOT au) ***************************************************************** "Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Damien Smith wrote: > >>Speedometer in a race car > > > > > > ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, I guess. > > > > > > A tachometer is more critical than a speedometer. It's more accurate > and also gives you more information. Such as whether you're in the > powerband of the engine, and to some extent what gear you're in. I've > never seen speedometer in a race car, because they don't tell you > everytying you need to know. >

Damien Smith wrote: > > > Speedometer in a race car > > ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, I guess. Rubbish, all you need is a rev counter and a lap timer.

> Rubbish, all you need is a rev counter and a lap timer. That's the tough-guy race driver thing to say, eh?

Damien Smith wrote: > > > Rubbish, all you need is a rev counter and a lap timer. > > That's the tough-guy race driver thing to say, eh? No, that's the confrontational thing to say :-) j/k Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:38:17 +0000, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote something like this:

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>Damien Smith wrote: >> >> > Speedometer in a race car >> >> ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, I guess. > >Rubbish, all you need is a rev counter and a lap timer.

Bur in a road car, such as the current cars in LFS demo, I'd prefer to have a speedo... -- - Igor -

"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Damien Smith wrote: > > > > > Speedometer in a race car > > > > ..is absolutely critical - moreso in qualifying than a race though, Iguess. > > Rubbish, all you need is a rev counter and a lap timer. Is there actually a sim that never shows you your road speed? I should think that it would be a much safer bet for the LFS chaps to just include a speedo that you can ignore if you want, rather than leave it out for a little bit of extra realism. I don't suppose it would be that much extra work to include a speedo _and tach, and specifically excluding it from the game could affect sales. Viper Racing has both in the dash, I can't really see any reason why LFS shouldn't just do the same. Malc.

What I mean is if the car has a speedometer (like the street cars in the demo) then show it and preferably in the dash. If the car doesn't (like race cars that may be in the final LFS version), then don't put in a speedometer. Funny, not one comment yet on having the displays on the dash rather than floating about. Guess everyone missed my point. Russell "Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > R Keating wrote: > > With the LFS H2 patch, shift-f turns off all the extra stuff on thescreen. > > This is great and more realistic (except you can't see your speed orRPMs.) > > Does anyone know if the final version will have the speedometer andtach. on > > the dash? I sure hope so. > > > > Russell > > Speedometer in a race car? >

R Keating wrote:

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> > What I mean is if the car has a speedometer (like the street cars in the > demo) then show it and preferably in the dash. If the car doesn't (like > race cars that may be in the final LFS version), then don't put in a > speedometer. > > Funny, not one comment yet on having the displays on the dash rather than > floating about. Guess everyone missed my point.

This is r.a.s. , we're good at that Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aq6thi$2uj$[email hidden]...

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> What I mean is if the car has a speedometer (like the street cars in the > demo) then show it and preferably in the dash. If the car doesn't (like > race cars that may be in the final LFS version), then don't put in a > speedometer. > > Funny, not one comment yet on having the displays on the dash rather than > floating about. Guess everyone missed my point.

I guess you missed the comment I posted 10 hours before then ;-) Malc.

On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:08:04 +1100, "Andre Queree \(Mr Q\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: >As long as you're going faster than the other guys, it doesn't really matter >what actual speed you're going at. Right...but it sure helps when u look at other drivers replays. When u see one of the "hardcores" replays turning with 100 km/h u maybe want to practice that part of the track so u can increase your speed (in my situation I see several drivers going through the chicane with 110-115 km/h, and I can _never_ go through the same chicane with speeds past 96 km/h :( ) -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj (Z = spamfilter)

"Thore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:08:04 +1100, "Andre Queree \(Mr Q\)" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >As long as you're going faster than the other guys, it doesn't reallymatter

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> >what actual speed you're going at. > > Right...but it sure helps when u look at other drivers replays. When u > see one of the "hardcores" replays turning with 100 km/h u maybe want to > practice that part of the track so u can increase your speed (in my > situation I see several drivers going through the chicane with 110-115 > km/h, and I can _never_ go through the same chicane with speeds past 96 > km/h :( )

What you're describing there (or asking for) is telemetry data, not a speedo in the car. Telemetry data can be very useful if you make the most of it, but again it's not essential info while you're racing. While you're actually in a race, you don't know the speed of the car ahead in kph, but you can see that they are faster or slower than you. That's what's important at the end of the day. Malc.

What's the lap timer for? JensSchumi On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:38:17 +0000, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Rubbish, all you need is a rev counter and a lap timer. --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

So you can tell if your own times (and therefore speed and technique) are improving or not as you try different lines around the track. Also so you can tell how much faster or slower your competitors are (if you can't see them directly). -- Mr Q (replies to mrq AT optusnet DOT com DOT au) ***************************************************************** "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What's the lap timer for?