Ati 9700 Pro...please help

Far from seeing incredible improvements i am a little confused. Always had GeForce cards after the TNT range stopped.so the amount of 'tweaks' in the Ati Control Panel is bewildering. Firstly 3DMark 2001SE CTD halfway through...not very happy was I..!! Secondly.....Nascar 2002 is showing higher FPS but only a little and doesn't go above 100fps until you go down to 1024 x 768 x 16 single player testing....as low as 9 fps in race scenario at 1290 x 960 x 32 All AA and antistropics are default..not touched anything on Ati panel. So....has anyone tuned this card and could help me a little.? CD installed 4.13.01.9056 drivers......i changed to 4.13.01.9068's with no real change in results. Many TIA AD

Please install the 6193 or 6200 drivers before spouting any more complaints. www.rage3d.com has links. Also be aware the 9700 does not yet offer AA for 16-bit games, alas. The only drawback to this card. rms [email hidden]

I had it for 2 days before I sent it back, could not find any improvement over my G4 Ti4600, and my main sim NR2002 , had worse graphics and fps. "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xWgy9.6181$[email hidden]... > Please install the 6193 or 6200 drivers before spouting any morecomplaints. > www.rage3d.com has links. Also be aware the 9700 does not yet offer AAfor > 16-bit games, alas. The only drawback to this card. > > rms > [email hidden] > >

The two cards will be fairly equal UNTIL you begin going for really high screen rez's and adding FSAA. Your cpu/mb etc will also be a limiting factor if it can't suppy data fast enough for the ATI to really shine. dave henrie "Morris Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I had it for 2 days before I sent it back, could not find any improvement > over my G4 Ti4600, and my main sim NR2002 , had worse graphics and fps. > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xWgy9.6181$[email hidden]... > > Please install the 6193 or 6200 drivers before spouting any more > complaints. > > www.rage3d.com has links. Also be aware the 9700 does not yet offer AA > for > > 16-bit games, alas. The only drawback to this card. > > > > rms > > [email hidden] > > > > > >

It says the 6193/6200 are for XP/2000 I have Win ME....so i have the latest drivers. It crashes at the Nature scene each time,the screen going bright white in the 2 seconds it actually shows the Nature scene. Although the screen is bright white you can still see vaguely the fps display in bottom right corner. Hopefull in time i will pick up enough help to tune this card for the expected performance. At the moment it isnt out performing my GF3 ti 500 o/c AD

Make sure you have all the remnents of the Nvidia drivers out of there. I've heard of a lot of people who have had a tuff time getting the older Nvidia stuff out. Make sure you search your registry to remove old Nvidia stuff. That might solve the lockup problem. If you are experiencing a lack of improvement the reason is probably due to a CPU bottleneck. NR2002 is very cpu dependent so you may be able to crank up some graphic options and not lose too much in fps but gain something in visual quality. What cpu do you run? -Tim "Aydee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqbcrp$4h6$[email hidden]...

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> Far from seeing incredible improvements i am a little confused. > > Always had GeForce cards after the TNT range stopped.so the amount of > 'tweaks' in the Ati Control Panel is bewildering. > > Firstly 3DMark 2001SE CTD halfway through...not very happy was I..!! > > Secondly.....Nascar 2002 is showing higher FPS but only a little and

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> go above 100fps until you go down to 1024 x 768 x 16 single player > testing....as low as 9 fps in race scenario at 1290 x 960 x 32 > > All AA and antistropics are default..not touched anything on Ati panel. > > So....has anyone tuned this card and could help me a little.? > > CD installed 4.13.01.9056 drivers......i changed to 4.13.01.9068's with no > real change in results. > > Many TIA > > > AD > >

CPU is XP2100+....Win Me o/s,512 DDR ram Been messing around a little and found another major problem. F1 2002 has horrid polygons missing and tears in the cars and tracks.Mostly visible in the tyres. Wasn't quite prepared for games being like this...near to tears here :( Any ideas please AD

> CPU is XP2100+....Win Me o/s,512 DDR ram > > Been messing around a little and found another major problem. > > F1 2002 has horrid polygons missing and tears in the cars andtracks.Mostly > visible in the tyres. > > Wasn't quite prepared for games being like this...near to tears here :( Well, I don't think it's the game's fault because it runs quite nicely on a 8500. Sounds like the usual Ati driver woes. Voice your concerns to Ati and hopefully they will fix their drivers. This is really disappointing for me, I've been hoping for a decent alternative to nVidia and their laughable 10% speed improvements with the GF4 Ti. I own a 4600 and the performance improvement over the GF3 is relatively miniscule.

It's entirely possible that you have reached the limits of your CPU and you are just not going to get any better because the processor can't feed the card. We've all gone through this at one time or another. I call it technology leap-frog :) A good example is when I upgraded my AMD AthlonXP System from a GF3 Ti500 to a GF4 Ti4400. Yes, I saw a noticeable improvement, but I saw just as much, if not more, of an improvement when I replaced the processor/system board with a P4 2.53Ghz system. Sometimes the CPU holds up the video card, sometimes the video card holds up the processor. It's a never ending battle :) You need a LOT of CPU power to keep a 9700 Pro well fed and happy. -Larry "Aydee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqbcrp$4h6$[email hidden]...

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> Far from seeing incredible improvements i am a little confused. > > Always had GeForce cards after the TNT range stopped.so the amount of > 'tweaks' in the Ati Control Panel is bewildering. > > Firstly 3DMark 2001SE CTD halfway through...not very happy was I..!! > > Secondly.....Nascar 2002 is showing higher FPS but only a little and

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> go above 100fps until you go down to 1024 x 768 x 16 single player > testing....as low as 9 fps in race scenario at 1290 x 960 x 32 > > All AA and antistropics are default..not touched anything on Ati panel. > > So....has anyone tuned this card and could help me a little.? > > CD installed 4.13.01.9056 drivers......i changed to 4.13.01.9068's with no > real change in results. > > Many TIA > > > AD > >

> It crashes at the Nature scene each time,the screen going bright white in > the 2 seconds it actually shows the Nature scene. I saw exactly the same error in Win98. This will disappear if you upgrade to WinXP, which you should prolly do anyway :) Its not clear whether this is a 3dmark bug or a WinME 9700 driver issue, but the XP drivers appear to be updated more often anyway. I think this is becoming more common with all hardware as Win98/ME becomes less and less supported. rms [email hidden]

> F1 2002 has horrid polygons missing and tears in the cars and tracks. Again, this may be a driver issue that has already been fixed, but I'm not running either f12002 or WinME, so can't be sure. I suggest you try these drivers, which may help: http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4095.html Let us know after you install them. rms [email hidden]

> You need a LOT of CPU power to keep a 9700 Pro well fed and happy. True, but I've heard a number of people claim that the 9700 removes quite a bit more burden from the CPU than the nvidia cards and hence runs games faster on slow CPUs.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/video/radeon9700pro/ Like the other guys said, if you're not noticing significant improvement, it's the CPU limitation. They use a 2.8GHz P4 in their tests. I have read another interesting article at this site which shows how the Geforce4 has much better image quality in certain tests, but I doubt it would be THAT noticble in an actual game. I'm thinking of buying the 9700Pro because I've been waiting a long time for a graphics card which will let you run very hi res with full detail and quality at a very good framerate. I hope it's here!

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> http://www.xbitlabs.com/video/radeon9700pro/ > > Like the other guys said, if you're not noticing significant > improvement, it's the CPU limitation. They use a 2.8GHz P4 in their > tests. > > I have read another interesting article at this site which shows how > the Geforce4 has much better image quality in certain tests, but I > doubt it would be THAT noticble in an actual game. I'm thinking of > buying the 9700Pro because I've been waiting a long time for a > graphics card which will let you run very hi res with full detail and > quality at a very good framerate. I hope it's here!

You might want to hold off for while if you have any 16-bit games. It doesn't do 16-bit antialiasing. I've also had an inordinate amount of trouble with games with this card, especially from smaller developers or older gams. Driver's aren't as good as the 8500's yet.

Hi guys, I am running the ATI 9700 pro with a Soyo dragon MB, 1GB Mushkin DDR ram,XP 2000 cpu ,Windows XP Pro with no problems at all. Previously owned the Nvidia Ti 4600 and find the frame rate to be much improved in N2002 but more so in D3D than in opengl. My monitor is a Samsung 19 LCD running in the digital mode. I did upgrade to the latest drivers but really never had problems with original drivers. I primarily run N2002 and F12002 and have found in N2002 my framerate is definitely improved significantly in D3D mode with the ATI.Im opengl the performance of the Nvidia and Radeon are about the same. I agree with the previous commentary that the ATi does better at higher res than the 4600, that is very true, absolutely no contest. I have had no problems with F12002 either. If I remember correctly was having problems running F12002 with my Nvidia 4600. I also must admit that i am amazed that people are trying to be on the cutting edge of technology with the Radeon 9700 Pro and are still running Windows 98.. what year is this ??? Steve Paradise