Screw XP; 98 or ME?

After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. The only question left: 98 or ME?

Ditto that... I've been running 98SE for 2 years without a single complaint, and ALL my games/sims work on it! Even the older ones... Jay J "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:53:49 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs,I'm

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> >not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > > >The only question left: 98 or ME? > > 98SE, IMHO. > > Ian > -- > Ian Riches > GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:53:49 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm >not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > >The only question left: 98 or ME? 98SE, IMHO. Ian -- Ian Riches GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

98, without a doubt! Never given me any trouble. R. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > >

Steve Smith wrote: > > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. Your loss IMHO, but I'm not going to argue with you :-) > The only question left: 98 or ME? Avoid ME if you can, some people are lucky enough to have a trouble free system with ME installed (Hi Achim), in which case it's a decent enough OS, most people with home built systems seems to have a fair bit of trouble though, so I'd recommend 98SE over ME Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

98se ... ME is a crappy updated version of win2k "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > >

Wrong question!! "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > >

Dan_Leach wrote: > > 98se ... ME is a crappy updated version of win2k You're right and you're wrong :-), WinME is an Win9x based OS with some networking protocols from Win2k, meaning it does networking better than 98SE in some cases, it's a crappy "updated" version of W98 :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

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> Steve Smith wrote: > > > > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > Your loss IMHO, but I'm not going to argue with you :-) > > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > > Avoid ME if you can, some people are lucky enough to have a trouble free > system with ME installed (Hi Achim), in which case it's a decent enough > OS, most people with home built systems seems to have a fair bit of > trouble though, so I'd recommend 98SE over ME

ME works fine here, always have. And it's a homebuilt system aswell. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > Never had a single problem with XP pro. IMO its been the best OS out of Micro$oft yet. The only real negitive is that registration crap. IMO an OS is just like a game. If you put it on two little hardware its not gonna run for shit. Now I missed Alison's problems, but from her router thread I got the feeling that her hardware is not all that new. MadDAWG

> ME works fine here, always have. And it's a homebuilt system aswell. > > > -- > Olav Malmin Ditto here. well until I went to XP that is. No problems with XP either. MadDAWG

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> You're right and you're wrong :-), WinME is an Win9x based OS with some > networking protocols from Win2k, meaning it does networking better than > 98SE in some cases, it's a crappy "updated" version of W98 :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy

Well I guess that explains why online gaming was better for me with ME over Win98. Learn something new everyday. And now that I have that over with I don't have to do jack the rest of the day. :) MadDAWG

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> > ME works fine here, always have. And it's a homebuilt system aswell. > > > > > > -- > > Olav Malmin > > > Ditto here. well until I went to XP that is. No problems with XP either.

I got very weird engine sound in GPL on my XP and SB Live 1024. And a nasty framrateissue on N2002. Also my MSFF have issues with XP with forced split axis which doesn't work very well with F1 2001. For all other games and applications i use XP though on my dual-boot system. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

Well I can't say much about the MSFF wheel. My Momo works great on XP. However everyone in this world would do themselves a big favor by dumping creative sound cards on gaming machines. That is doubly true if you are using a Geforce video card. MadDAWG

Olav Malmin wrote: > > ME works fine here, always have. And it's a homebuilt system aswell. Like Achim you ought to make your system available to MS engineers, they're dying to find out how you did that :-) Seriously though, small OEM builders like us stopped offering ME as an OS alternative a long time ago, too much hassle, we still offer W98SE, the support and warranty work was way out of proportion, especially since there was little or nothing wrong with the hardware in the first place If we built 5 identical systems I could almost guarantee you that at least one of them would have issues, yet if you installed a different OS, Win98/2000/XP/NT4/95 or whatever without changing a thing, the PC would be as reliable as the next PC and no matter what kind of "burn in" program or test program you'd run it would report back that the system was fine, go figure I'm not doubting that a lot of people run ME just fine, it's just that it's caused us a hell of a lot work in the past with PC's that are basically ok, except for the OS :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Windows 2000 Professional! The only option for upper end machines that don't want to run Win98SE. SLG "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm >not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > >The only question left: 98 or ME? > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

"Its a crappy gna gna" So many pseudo experts in this newsgroup *YAWN* In answer to your question. I recommend that you use ME and then disable the system restore option under the system icon in your control panel, also you will get an updated plug and play database that works very well and a TCP/IP stack that performs much much better then 98. In GPL for instance on identical machines (three tested so far) GPL is 15 to 20% faster under 9X also if you use a Soundblaster live you won't get the pop up associated with 2K/XP, then there is the refresh rate issue....all in all as far as a gaming OS. ME with the system restore disabled is KING. Remember to enable DMA on your drives and set a static swap file. "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs,I'm

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> > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > > > > Never had a single problem with XP pro. IMO its been the best OS out of > Micro$oft yet. The only real negitive is that registration crap. IMO an OS > is just like a game. If you put it on two little hardware its not gonna

run > for shit. Now I missed Alison's problems, but from her router thread I got > the feeling that her hardware is not all that new. > > MadDAWG > >

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> > "Its a crappy gna gna" So many pseudo experts in this newsgroup *YAWN* > > In answer to your question. I recommend that you use ME and then disable the > system restore option under the system icon in your control panel, also you > will get an updated plug and play database that works very well and a TCP/IP > stack that performs much much better then 98. > > In GPL for instance on identical machines (three tested so far) GPL is 15 to > 20% faster under 9X also if you use a Soundblaster live you won't get the > pop up associated with 2K/XP, then there is the refresh rate issue....all in > all as far as a gaming OS. ME with the system restore disabled is KING. > > Remember to enable DMA on your drives and set a static swap file.

I bow to your superior knowledge Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

IMO ME is more stable than 98 (and probably 98se), and is more refined. But, many people had probs getting it to run well. OTOH, I've had it running in true excellency on a lot of different hardware, and using lots of different application or low level software, drivers etc. Mainly because of its flawless stability I'd personally chose ME over 98se, but I am reluctant to recommend it to you because it can obviously take some tweaking to get it run like it does for me, thinking of the fairly large amount of problems reported regarding ME by others. If you decide to get ME, ask me if you get probs. Achim "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > >

I've just re-tried my old SB Live 'cos I wanted the digital out, up 'til then I was using the on-board AC97 which was fine. The SB Live started cracckling again in TIR so I took it out. Put in a cheap Audigy and ... WOW this card sounds incredible. Oh, and you can't beat XP for stability and performance, it benchmarks higher than a clean install of ME and always recovers from a bad bit of s/w. Don't do any MS updates though they tend to screw things up. Andi. "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well I can't say much about the MSFF wheel. My Momo works great on XP. > However everyone in this world would do themselves a big favor by dumping > creative sound cards on gaming machines. That is doubly true if you are > using a Geforce video card. > > MadDAWG > >

What's that on the side of your mouth? "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Conga wrote: > > > > "Its a crappy gna gna" So many pseudo experts in this newsgroup *YAWN* > > > > In answer to your question. I recommend that you use ME and then disable

the > > system restore option under the system icon in your control panel, alsoyou > > will get an updated plug and play database that works very well and aTCP/IP > > stack that performs much much better then 98. > > > > In GPL for instance on identical machines (three tested so far) GPL is15 to > > 20% faster under 9X also if you use a Soundblaster live you won't getthe > > pop up associated with 2K/XP, then there is the refresh rateissue....all in

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> > all as far as a gaming OS. ME with the system restore disabled is KING. > > > > Remember to enable DMA on your drives and set a static swap file. > > I bow to your superior knowledge > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

And finally some words of wisdom from the thread :)) Dump the consumer based OSes MS produces (XP, ME, 98, 95) The only REAL OS MS ever put out was Windows 2000. They digressed after that... Windows 2000 is the ONLY MS OS that even comes within spitting distance of my network(s), otherwise its a BSD flavor. All my games run exceptional on my Win2000 systems (except Superbike 2001... but oh well... it don't work on XP either...). I could not in good conscience recommend win98 or ME. Save yourself the hassles... go 2000. Cheers, Schumi "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Windows 2000 Professional! The only option for upper end machines that > don't want to run Win98SE. > > SLG > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs,

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> >not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > > >The only question left: 98 or ME? > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > due to too many English classes/teachers) > >

In article <xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Steve Smith) wrote: > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, > I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? I use Win98SE here (on my hand built pc) and it works fine with no problems at all (I have the occasional hardware problem, but thats another story!) All my games and programs work fine with SE. I have also hand built three pcs for other people over the last two years and they also have Win 98SE installed and I've had no problesm with those either. I've heard horror stories about ME and Win2k and XP so I'll stay with 98SE for now thanx. 8-) *Peter* - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/

What kind of problems would you have with Me? "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Olav Malmin wrote: > > > > ME works fine here, always have. And it's a homebuilt system aswell. > > Like Achim you ought to make your system available to MS engineers, > they're dying to find out how you did that :-) > > Seriously though, small OEM builders like us stopped offering ME as an > OS alternative a long time ago, too much hassle, we still offer W98SE, > the support and warranty work was way out of proportion, especially > since there was little or nothing wrong with the hardware in the first > place > > If we built 5 identical systems I could almost guarantee you that at > least one of them would have issues, yet if you installed a different > OS, Win98/2000/XP/NT4/95 or whatever without changing a thing, the PC > would be as reliable as the next PC and no matter what kind of "burn in" > program or test program you'd run it would report back that the system > was fine, go figure > > I'm not doubting that a lot of people run ME just fine, it's just that > it's caused us a hell of a lot work in the past with PC's that are > basically ok, except for the OS :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

If you disable system restore you might as well use 98se. System Restore is the best reason to use Me and I'd recommend Me myself because of the better networking AND system restore. -Tim P.S. - Don't believe the myth that system restore creates restore points in the middle of using your computer and causes it to slow down. That is false! It'll use up disk space but disk space is a cheap price in exchange of what system restore can do for you. "Conga" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:d9Ry9.184066$[email hidden]... > "Its a crappy gna gna" So many pseudo experts in this newsgroup *YAWN* > > In answer to your question. I recommend that you use ME and then disablethe > system restore option under the system icon in your control panel, alsoyou > will get an updated plug and play database that works very well and aTCP/IP > stack that performs much much better then 98. > > In GPL for instance on identical machines (three tested so far) GPL is 15to > 20% faster under 9X also if you use a Soundblaster live you won't get the > pop up associated with 2K/XP, then there is the refresh rate issue....allin

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> all as far as a gaming OS. ME with the system restore disabled is KING. > > Remember to enable DMA on your drives and set a static swap file. > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > > > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, > I'm > > > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > > > > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > > > > > > > Never had a single problem with XP pro. IMO its been the best OS out of > > Micro$oft yet. The only real negitive is that registration crap. IMO an

OS > > is just like a game. If you put it on two little hardware its not gonna > run > > for shit. Now I missed Alison's problems, but from her router thread Igot

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> > the feeling that her hardware is not all that new. > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > >

The other issue that hasn't been brought up yet is the fact that MS will soon stop supporting Win98 before they stop Winme support. What that means is that MS's new software will not run on any win98 machine. For example, any MS games, any new media player, the next version of Internet Explorer, Office, etc. There is no doubt that 3rd party publishers will still support win 95/98 but not Microsoft. -Tim "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > >

In article <aqgdm6$8virr$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > 98se ... ME is a crappy updated version of win2k Wrong. ME is an update to 98SE. The primary diff is that you can no longer get to a real dos prompt like you still could with 98. Win2K is the best Windows version going imho. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Conga wrote: > > What's that on the side of your mouth? I've no idea, but the suspense is all but killing me as I'm sure your wit matches your computer knowledge oh great one Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Tim Miser wrote: > > What kind of problems would you have with Me? Random BSOD's on PC's known to be in good working order with any other OS, unable to to connect to your ISP without going through the loops, one customer had to start Outlook first, and then manually dial up to his ISP, if he Started IE first and automatically connected to his ISP, using ISDN, he would either not be able to connect, or if he connected, the first page he loaded would take 10 mins to load, after that it would be working fine, we reinstalled that PC 3 or 4 times before we decided to install Win98, never had a complaint from the guy since, random lockups on PC's know to work with other OS's.... Stuff like that, I'm not saying WinME is a bad OS when it works, I'm saying there's a fair chance you won't be able to get it to run properly Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Conga" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<d9Ry9.184066$[email hidden]>...

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> "Its a crappy gna gna" So many pseudo experts in this newsgroup *YAWN* > > In answer to your question. I recommend that you use ME and then disable the > system restore option under the system icon in your control panel, also you > will get an updated plug and play database that works very well and a TCP/IP > stack that performs much much better then 98. > > In GPL for instance on identical machines (three tested so far) GPL is 15 to > 20% faster under 9X also if you use a Soundblaster live you won't get the > pop up associated with 2K/XP, then there is the refresh rate issue....all in > all as far as a gaming OS. ME with the system restore disabled is KING. > > Remember to enable DMA on your drives and set a static swap file.

It's not all down to system restore - I've seen a few machines where ME absolutely refused to recognize split axis pedals on a gameport. TSW's fix for one of them was to get a USB adapter. On the XP install - are you going through the trouble of setting up a gaming build that has *all* unneeded services disabled? This would be the only fair apples/apples comparison, IMHO. I still haven't tested GPL under XP on my gaming rig, but so far 3dmark and F1-2002 are noticably faster than under 98SE (and F12k2 is actually stable!). On the other hand, RC2000 ran very poorly under XP. Stuff like refresh rate is easily fixed with Rivatuner (if you've got an nVidia card). I honestly think a 98SE/XP dual boot is your best bet. With a util like XOSL you can completely hide one boot partition from the other. With all the possible combinations of drivers and hardware, it's hard to make concrete statements anyways. Except that WinME sucks ;)... Kendt

I thought I had read somewhere that Microsoft had already stopped supporting ME. Or maybe the just stopped patching it, which I consider to be the same as supporting it. Glen "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The other issue that hasn't been brought up yet is the fact that MS will > soon stop supporting Win98 before they stop Winme support. What thatmeans > is that MS's new software will not run on any win98 machine. For example, > any MS games, any new media player, the next version of Internet Explorer, > Office, etc. There is no doubt that 3rd party publishers will stillsupport

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> win 95/98 but not Microsoft. > > -Tim > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs,

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> > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > > > > > >

On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:24:27 GMT, "Schumi" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>And finally some words of wisdom from the thread :)) > >Dump the consumer based OSes MS produces (XP, ME, 98, 95) > >The only REAL OS MS ever put out was Windows 2000. They digressed after >that... > >Windows 2000 is the ONLY MS OS that even comes within spitting distance of >my network(s), otherwise its a BSD flavor. All my games run exceptional on >my Win2000 systems (except Superbike 2001... but oh well... it don't work on >XP either...). > >I could not in good conscience recommend win98 or ME. Save yourself the >hassles... go 2000. > >Cheers, >Schumi >

Yep, he's right. Go with Win 2000. Case Closed!

MadDAWG wrote: > Well I can't say much about the MSFF wheel. My Momo works great on XP. > However everyone in this world would do themselves a big favor by > dumping creative sound cards on gaming machines. That is doubly true > if you are using a Geforce video card. > > MadDAWG I am using a Momo on an Athlon XP1600+ via mb machine, with XP Home. I was running an Audigy Gamer, and just recently upgraded to the Audigy 2. I am not having any issues, runs rock solid for me. I also was running a GeForce3 Ti200, and upgraded to a GeForce4 Ti4400. -- Don Burnette

> After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? They've both worked fine for me. ME boots a lot faster, but 98 is slightly more compatible.

Another vote for W2K. You won't miss the BSOD.

> 98se ... ME is a crappy updated version of win2k What a clueless statement. 98se was the main OS when GPL was released - that means it must be the best, right?

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> > Tim Miser wrote: > > > > What kind of problems would you have with Me? > > Random BSOD's on PC's known to be in good working order with any other > OS, unable to to connect to your ISP without going through the loops, > one customer had to start Outlook first, and then manually dial up to > his ISP, if he Started IE first and automatically connected to his ISP, > using ISDN, he would either not be able to connect, or if he connected, > the first page he loaded would take 10 mins to load, after that it would > be working fine, we reinstalled that PC 3 or 4 times before we decided > to install Win98, never had a complaint from the guy since, random > lockups on PC's know to work with other OS's.... > > Stuff like that, I'm not saying WinME is a bad OS when it works, I'm > saying there's a fair chance you won't be able to get it to run properly

A friend of mine has a Dell running under ME, and he only has to put a games CD near it for the stupid thing to BSOD on him! No amount of driver upgrades has been able to sort this POS out. BTW, he has another Dell running under 98 which works flawlessly... Cheers Gerry

Conga wrote: > > What's that on the side of your mouth? Do tell! This is going to be a joke, right? A little witticism? Do I need to wear a corset to prevent my sides from splitting? Or will I laugh so loud my head will fall off? Yours sneeringly GDA

My PC is only used for games, is regularly backed up, protected by Norton Internet security and sits behind a hardware firewall. I've never had any problems with network attacks, but then again I'm not paranoid either. Andi. "Dastardly Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC), "Andi" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >Don't do any MS updates though they tend to screw things up. > > Heh...you are leaving your computer open to a lot of security > vulnerabilites if you don't do any MS updates. Bad advice. > I've never had any MS update screw my computer up.

Thx one and all. I will take all this under advisement. (FWIW, SE was never a contender. I tried it on a couple of different machines and it was quirky in the extreme...like reversing one mouse axis. In my experience, 98 has been more stable and ME has had greater compatibility, and is an easier install, but its networking--for me--has been plagued with anomalous stutters and slow-downs. I have 3 supposedly identical ME installs on 3 identical machines--all 1.3 Athlons w. 512 RAM, GF2s, SBL!s, 3Com NICs, etc., and they couldn't be more different. One is flawless, one is pretty good, and one is the worst Windows installation I have ever done, seen, or heard of.) --Steve "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqgqro$a0red$[email hidden]... > IMO ME is more stable than 98 (and probably 98se), and is more refined.But, > many people had probs getting it to run well. > > OTOH, I've had it running in true excellency on a lot of differenthardware, > and using lots of different application or low level software, driversetc. > > Mainly because of its flawless stability I'd personally chose ME over98se, > but I am reluctant to recommend it to you because it can obviously takesome

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> tweaking to get it run like it does for me, thinking of the fairly large > amount of problems reported regarding ME by others. > > If you decide to get ME, ask me if you get probs. > > Achim > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs,

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> > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > > > > > >

I've always wondered why everybody has a firewall, but nobody seems to use Sandboxes, because the latter, if configured well, IMHO provide a much higher degree of protection than firewalls. Am I wrong? Achim "Andi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqiun2$qd9$[email hidden]...

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> My PC is only used for games, is regularly backed up, protected by Norton > Internet security and sits behind a hardware firewall. I've never had any > problems with network attacks, but then again I'm not paranoid either. > > Andi. > > > "Dastardly Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC), "Andi" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Don't do any MS updates though they tend to screw things up. > > > > Heh...you are leaving your computer open to a lot of security > > vulnerabilites if you don't do any MS updates. Bad advice. > > I've never had any MS update screw my computer up. > >

I leave my computers on 24/7, they all sit behind a locked-down Linksys router, and none of them have been subjected to the MS updates. My wife's computer is the only one that is 100% windows (win98), and the rest are linux boxes except for saturdays when I run the weekly rascar race (or practice for the next one). Before I started using Linux, I never went through the MS update process, and have never run an anti- virus program. All it takes is a little intelligence and a modicum of awareness of your surroundings. Stop using Outlook, turn off java/javascript/activex in your browser, don't run EXE, COM,or SCR files that you happen to get in your email or a newsgroup binary, and don't view messages/newsgropup articles as HTML. Lastly, don't run DMZ machines that are also connected to the rest of your network, and don't allow remote admin of your router. I've been programming for over 20 years (PC's for 18 years), and have been on the internet since about 1994. I've never had a virus infect my machine, and have never had a machine spoofed, cracked, mugged, DOS'd, or violated. It's not rocket science, kids - it's awareness. In article <aqiun2$qd9$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> My PC is only used for games, is regularly backed up, protected by Norton > Internet security and sits behind a hardware firewall. I've never had any > problems with network attacks, but then again I'm not paranoid either. > > Andi. > > > "Dastardly Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC), "Andi" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Don't do any MS updates though they tend to screw things up. > > > > Heh...you are leaving your computer open to a lot of security > > vulnerabilites if you don't do any MS updates. Bad advice. > > I've never had any MS update screw my computer up. > > >

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> Thx one and all. I will take all this under advisement. (FWIW, SE was > never a contender. I tried it on a couple of different machines and it was > quirky in the extreme...like reversing one mouse axis. In my experience, 98 > has been more stable and ME has had greater compatibility, and is an easier > install, but its networking--for me--has been plagued with anomalous > stutters and slow-downs. I have 3 supposedly identical ME installs on 3 > identical machines--all 1.3 Athlons w. 512 RAM, GF2s, SBL!s, 3Com NICs, > etc., and they couldn't be more different. One is flawless, one is pretty > good, and one is the worst Windows installation I have ever done, seen, or > heard of.) >

If you're after the networking stuff, Win2k is definitely the best at it, and you can still play games. My absolute favorite thing about Win2K is that you don't have to reboot after adding a protocol or changing your IP address, or other networky things. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Thx, John. W2K really isn't an option for me, either. I'm too computer-illiterate (despite 20 years of knuckle-dragging self-education) to trust myself to install it. My next move will probably be to buy a store-bought machine (like an Alienware or Falcon) with XP Pro installed...but that won't be until SP2 is out (and after I get paid for my last magazine piece), i.e., "later." --Steve "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <sk7z9.85528$[email hidden]>, ssmith12 > @rochester.rr.com says... > > Thx one and all. I will take all this under advisement. (FWIW, SE was > > never a contender. I tried it on a couple of different machines and itwas > > quirky in the extreme...like reversing one mouse axis. In myexperience, 98 > > has been more stable and ME has had greater compatibility, and is aneasier > > install, but its networking--for me--has been plagued with anomalous > > stutters and slow-downs. I have 3 supposedly identical ME installs on 3 > > identical machines--all 1.3 Athlons w. 512 RAM, GF2s, SBL!s, 3Com NICs, > > etc., and they couldn't be more different. One is flawless, one ispretty > > good, and one is the worst Windows installation I have ever done, seen,or

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> > heard of.) > > > > If you're after the networking stuff, Win2k is definitely the best at > it, and you can still play games. My absolute favorite thing about > Win2K is that you don't have to reboot after adding a protocol or > changing your IP address, or other networky things. > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

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> > Thx, John. W2K really isn't an option for me, either. I'm too > computer-illiterate (despite 20 years of knuckle-dragging self-education) to > trust myself to install it. My next move will probably be to buy a > store-bought machine (like an Alienware or Falcon) with XP Pro > installed...but that won't be until SP2 is out (and after I get paid for my > last magazine piece), i.e., "later."

"Installing W2k for beginners" Power on computer Open CD drive Insert Wink2 CD Close CD drive Let computer boot from CD Follow on screen instructions Have a cuppa Follow on screen instructions Have another cuppa Welcome to Windows 2k That's it basically, you need to know a few things about your LAN settings and such, but on the surface it's not that far removed from WinME Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Kendt: XP can be made more liveable with tweaks and hacks but there are serious compromises that were designed in to XP for security and stability reasons. An example of that is lack of support of the midi port in Direct X. That basically wipes out a lot of expensive controllers, there is no fix for this. Another is the inability to run GLIDE and other direct to metal API's properly. I agree with the dual boot situation, if one owns the two operating systems, setting up your games under 98 or ME and your dev/productivity stuff under 2K/XP is ideal. Other advantages of this is the ability to download, virus check and archive your add-on files with your "work" operating system and then run your games without having a virus checker, pop up stoppers or other productivity related applets in the background on your "Gaming" OS. Another benefit is the ability to overclock your video card in one os for gaming and run it at default clocks in your "work" os. TIP: On another note you might want to hide your XP/2K partition from your 9X but make the 9X partition visible to your 2K/XP partition, this enables you to insert files such as tracks, cars, roster packs into your games easily.

No XP issues here. Win9x is dead to me. -Larry "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, I'm > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > >

Of course if one HAS to make a choice, 98 is the one to make. 95 is just too damned old, and doesn't support USB worth a hoot. WinME is the worst, most unstable OS ever released by a manufacturer (except possibly for Apple System 7.5.1 w/Open Transport 1.01 - Those who lived it understand that). But I would choose Win98 Classic over Win98se any day of the week. 98se introduced some serious engineering flaws (most notorious being the unfixable shut-down bug). Win98 Classic with all patches applied was about the most stable 9x OS Microsoft released. IMHO. -Larry "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:53:49 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs,I'm

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Fine, Goy...as long as yer willing to come over to my house and hold my hand in case anything goes wrong. At least ME is the Devil I know.... "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Steve Smith wrote: > > > > Thx, John. W2K really isn't an option for me, either. I'm too > > computer-illiterate (despite 20 years of knuckle-draggingself-education) to > > trust myself to install it. My next move will probably be to buy a > > store-bought machine (like an Alienware or Falcon) with XP Pro > > installed...but that won't be until SP2 is out (and after I get paid formy

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> > last magazine piece), i.e., "later." > > "Installing W2k for beginners" > > Power on computer > Open CD drive > Insert Wink2 CD > Close CD drive > Let computer boot from CD > Follow on screen instructions > Have a cuppa > Follow on screen instructions > Have another cuppa > Welcome to Windows 2k > > That's it basically, you need to know a few things about your LAN > settings and such, but on the surface it's not that far removed from > WinME > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

Steve Smith wrote: > > Fine, Goy...as long as yer willing to come over to my house and hold my hand > in case anything goes wrong. At least ME is the Devil I know.... Steve....I'm not ridiculing you, it really IS easy, on the surface Win2k looks and feels the same as Win9x, gone is the hopeless way of managing devices that was NT4, yes there are some new menu screens and some things are not where they used to be, but in general, those who have installed WinME should have little or no problems installing Win2k The CD is bootable and will ask but a few questions before the installation starts in earnest, you can even install it alongside WinME on the same partition if you want to make the transition more smoothly and if you stick with FAT32 (Win2k will ask if you want to convert your current partition to NTFS) both OS's can see each other's files just fine, and since you have 2 other PC's you can always come here and ask, or e-mail me or someone else in here So unless you have some really obscure hardware in there somewhere, it's likely to be the least troublesome OS installation you've ever done, driver installation and everything is just like Win9x I'm not trying to convince you that Win2k is a better OS for your purposes than Win9x is, I believe it is but I'm not going to argue it, but to me it seems you're choosing not to install one of the best OS's there is for the wrong reasons I've never been to Rochester, if you've got a decent bottle of something about, I might just drop by and give you a hand :-), Air Fares across the Atlantic are pretty cheap these days anyways Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

A sandbox is a piece of software which hooks into the system, monitors everything any software running on a system does, and allows the user to define precisely what each piece of software is allowed to do and what not. Achim "Dastardly Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:42:51 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've always wondered why everybody has a firewall, but nobody seems touse

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Hi Steve, I've installed W2k a few times after changing mobos, and my impression is that it's the most intelligent of the Windows systems during installation. It handled everything very well during installation... here. Achim "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0q9z9.85591$[email hidden]... > Thx, John. W2K really isn't an option for me, either. I'm too > computer-illiterate (despite 20 years of knuckle-dragging self-education)to > trust myself to install it. My next move will probably be to buy a > store-bought machine (like an Alienware or Falcon) with XP Pro > installed...but that won't be until SP2 is out (and after I get paid formy > last magazine piece), i.e., "later." > > --Steve

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>Thx, John. W2K really isn't an option for me, either. I'm too >computer-illiterate (despite 20 years of knuckle-dragging self-education) to >trust myself to install it. My next move will probably be to buy a >store-bought machine (like an Alienware or Falcon) with XP Pro >installed...but that won't be until SP2 is out (and after I get paid for my >last magazine piece), i.e., "later." >

Why would you think W2K is any harder to install than 98 or ME (which you were willing to do)? It isn't. Bob

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > A sandbox is a piece of software which hooks into the system, monitors > everything any software running on a system does, and allows the user to > define precisely what each piece of software is allowed to do and what not. Yup, it's basically a simulated computer, the software installs whatever attachment or program you're downloading and monitors it closely to see what it does during installation It's a very cool concept, some people even say it works :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Is it my eyes or is there a faint, exculpatory underline under "during installation"? That is, how does it go *after* the install? "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqk7h5$avp2l$[email hidden]... > Hi Steve, I've installed W2k a few times after changing mobos, and my > impression is that it's the most intelligent of the Windows systems > during installation. It handled everything very well duringinstallation...

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> here. > > Achim > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0q9z9.85591$[email hidden]... > > Thx, John. W2K really isn't an option for me, either. I'm too > > computer-illiterate (despite 20 years of knuckle-dragging

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you have excellent eyes my friend. I'll send you a personal mail about this. I don't want to discuss this here <g> Achim "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aQBz9.95667$[email hidden]...

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> Is it my eyes or is there a faint, exculpatory underline under "during > installation"? That is, how does it go *after* the install? > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aqk7h5$avp2l$[email hidden]... > > Hi Steve, I've installed W2k a few times after changing mobos, and my > > impression is that it's the most intelligent of the Windows systems > > during installation. It handled everything very well during > installation... > > here.

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > you have excellent eyes my friend. > > I'll send you a personal mail about this. I don't want to discuss this here > <g> Chicken.....this thread held so much promise :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

hehe, yes, promise to waste valuable time of our lives <g> Achim "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Chicken.....this thread held so much promise :-)

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:19:09 -0800, Tim Miser wrote: ice, etc. There is no doubt that 3rd party publishers will still support > win 95/98 but not Microsoft. This is a good thingby many, you know. Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Another vote for W2K. You won't miss the BSOD. Sorry, but Win2k introduced the NV4 Inifinte loop at my place ;-)

I've actually had problems with GPL and Win2k. It worked sometimes, but it usually shut down after 5 min's or so. My wheel worked sometimes ;-) It's not a bad OS, but XP is hardly behind it... "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > I'm not trying to convince you that Win2k is a better OS for your > purposes than Win9x is, I believe it is but I'm not going to argue it, > but to me it seems you're choosing not to install one of the best OS's > there is for the wrong reasons >

From what I understand when they stopped supporting Win95 last year, none of their new programs, even games will not run on win95 when any other manufacturer's games run fine on all win9x's. -Tim "Dastardly Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:19:09 -0800, "Tim Miser" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The other issue that hasn't been brought up yet is the fact that MS will > >soon stop supporting Win98 before they stop Winme support. What thatmeans > >is that MS's new software will not run on any win98 machine. Forexample, > >any MS games, any new media player, the next version of InternetExplorer, > >Office, etc. There is no doubt that 3rd party publishers will stillsupport > >win 95/98 but not Microsoft. > > > >-Tim > > I don't think it means that Tim. it just means they won't be offering > any more new downloadable updates for it.

Carl Ribbegaardh wrote: > > I've actually had problems with GPL and Win2k. > It worked sometimes, but it usually shut down after 5 min's or so. > My wheel worked sometimes ;-) > > It's not a bad OS, but XP is hardly behind it... Well, he has already ruled out WinXP, so even though I run it on nearly all my systems I know how hard it is to teach old dogs new tricks, and Steve here is probably as old as revved :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Just to clear things up, when MS says they will stop supporting it, they mean that new programs from MS, even games, will specifically NOT run on unsupported versions of Windows. Of course, games from any other publisher will work fine still. -Tim "Glen Pittman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I thought I had read somewhere that Microsoft had already stoppedsupporting > ME. Or maybe the just stopped patching it, which I consider to be thesame

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> > Office, etc. There is no doubt that 3rd party publishers will still > support > > win 95/98 but not Microsoft. > > > > -Tim > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xtOy9.6401$[email hidden]... > > > After the troubles Alison Hine (and others) have had with XP installs, > I'm > > > not going to upgrade to Bill Gates' latest booty-booster after all. > > > > > > The only question left: 98 or ME? > > > > > > > > > > > >

I have Depends older than GPL.... "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Carl Ribbegaardh wrote: > > > > I've actually had problems with GPL and Win2k. > > It worked sometimes, but it usually shut down after 5 min's or so. > > My wheel worked sometimes ;-) > > > > It's not a bad OS, but XP is hardly behind it... > > Well, he has already ruled out WinXP, so even though I run it on nearly > all my systems I know how hard it is to teach old dogs new tricks, and > Steve here is probably as old as revved :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Goy, probably I get stoned now... I read somewhere that W2k has some issues with gaming, controllers or whatsoever... don't remember what it was in particular. Anyhow, that was the reason why I never looked into W2K. Any word about that? Cya JensSchumi BTW: NTFS would be a blast for my DV-work. On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:05:46 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > >"Installing W2k for beginners"<snip> --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

Hi Jens, PMJI - I use an LWFF and a Sidewinder 2 FF stick under W2k. They work fine under the admin account. The one issue I had with the LWFF in W2k exclusively existed in Limited Rights User accounts. It was tricky to get this USB wheel to use FF and the FF custom settings under the LRU accounts. I had to manually give the LRU many additional access rights to individual Registry keys and I think also to directories (my memory is a bit dim, it's been two years since then) which at the time was quite a hassle as nobody seemed to know the solution and I had to figure it all out by myself. But I'd guess it all could be taken care of by the driver installation routines. Since it's been a while since then, I'd assume those who create those installation routines have taken care of this matter by now :) Achim "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Goy, > probably I get stoned now... > I read somewhere that W2k has some issues with gaming, controllers or > whatsoever... don't remember what it was in particular. > Anyhow, that was the reason why I never looked into W2K. > > Any word about that? > > Cya > JensSchumi > > BTW: NTFS would be a blast for my DV-work.

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> > Goy, > probably I get stoned now... > I read somewhere that W2k has some issues with gaming, controllers or > whatsoever... don't remember what it was in particular. > Anyhow, that was the reason why I never looked into W2K. > > Any word about that?

I think Achim pretty much summed it up in his post, but since I like to listen to my own voice....W2k is not a gaming OS, it works very well as a gaming OS in most cases however if you have the right hardware, but never being sold as a gaming OS, I suspect MS didn't offer a whole lot of support to the people making controllers so they could write drivers for whatever controller they manufacture, check the website for your particular controller and see if they have W2k drivers for it, if they do your controller should work fine, if they don't have drivers for it, all is not lost as it may or may not work with W98 drivers/software or a generic controller Chances are good that you controller will work unless it's some really old analogue thing, video and sound drivers aren't much of a issue with games anymore, although there's probably the odd game out there that will refuse to run on *your* particular system setup, Murphy's law.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Achim, that's beyond my horizon :-( Guess I should stay with my WinME (although troublesome) and spend the spare time having by not going for new challenges for making more conversion kits ;-) Thanks for the reply though, to you too, Goy. Cya Jens On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:00:45 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hi Jens, > >PMJI - I use an LWFF and a Sidewinder 2 FF stick under W2k. They work fine >under the admin account. ><snip> --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

Jens, the issue exists only if you want to play under accounts which don't have admins rights. If you'll be using the admin account only, you won't have that prob and W2k will be as easy to handle as WinME. Just a tad slower ;-) <bg, d&r> I've btw succeeded in acquiring an unused original LWFF and noticed what a difference your ball bearing set makes. The FF is _so_ much more detailed with the ball bearings, it's incredible. What kinds of pots are you using right now btw? I'm using a MikeT one, with three original LWFF one's in the spare box, but don't really want to return to the original pots unless absolutely necessary. Achim "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Achim, > that's beyond my horizon :-( > Guess I should stay with my WinME (although troublesome) and spend thespare > time having by not going for new challenges for making more conversionkits ;-)

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"Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqgdm6$8virr$[email hidden]... > 98se ... ME is a crappy updated version of win2k huh? WinME has nothing to do with the NT series of operating systems (of which Win2K is one) other than sharing a few networking components and a shell. WinME is a crappy updated version of Win98se. the answer is still to use 98SE over winME, though, if you dont care for XP. I personally have no trouble with XP home or pro, both running perfectly on different machines in my house.

Achim, quite funny, Alison had the same experience recently when using her spare computer with the spare wheel (not converted). About the pots: I was using both MikeT ones and the original ones. While I had only one dropout of an original pot in the wheel, I had already few in the pedals. My resume: If your pot says goodbye, get a replacement from MikeT. Cya Jens BTW: I'll give Win2K a try on my business Dell-Notebook. WinME is a pain you-know-where on this machine, dunno why. My home unit is running quite alright with WinME, problems are IMO more due to increased experiments over there. On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:04:49 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Jens, the issue exists only if you want to play under accounts which don't >have admins rights. If you'll be using the admin account only, you won't >have that prob and W2k will be as easy to handle as WinME. Just a tad slower >;-) <bg, d&r> > >I've btw succeeded in acquiring an unused original LWFF and noticed what a >difference your ball bearing set makes. The FF is _so_ much more detailed >with the ball bearings, it's incredible. > >What kinds of pots are you using right now btw? I'm using a MikeT one, with >three original LWFF one's in the spare box, but don't really want to return >to the original pots unless absolutely necessary. > >Achim >

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MikeT isn't making them anymore, but I thought since he's been much in contact with you about the wheel, maybe you still had a source... Achim "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > My resume: If your pot says goodbye, get a replacement from MikeT.

I learned that there is a High-qual pot manuacturer who has a branch here in Malaysia. I'll try to find out whether he has some decent material. I'll report in the LWFF-forum asap. JensSchumi On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:39:54 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>MikeT isn't making them anymore, but I thought since he's been much in >contact with you about the wheel, maybe you still had a source... > >Achim > > > >"JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >... >> My resume: If your pot says goodbye, get a replacement from MikeT. >

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That would be extremely good Jens. I'll keep my eyes open for your report, and would certainly take 5 pots. Achim "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I learned that there is a High-qual pot manuacturer who has a branch herein > Malaysia. > I'll try to find out whether he has some decent material. > > I'll report in the LWFF-forum asap. > > JensSchumi