GPL2 - why?

I see on here that GPL2 is on many peoples wishlist, I cant help but wonder what more could people want? Because of its addonability it now has a field of photo accurate cars, extra detail at the tracks, every period track you can think of and then some - all the stuff that most sims need a new version to acheive, and all at no extra cost over the original purchase price! A reason why GPL is now so popular may be a reason it struggled on release - the machine spec needed to run it. At the time that spec was quite high for its day, when I bought it I was quizzed in the shop about my PC's resources, staff were sick of people bringing it back complaining it wouldnt run. I spend a shedload renewing my PC for no other reason than i'd driven GPL and had to have it. Now GPL fair flies along on my PC whilst the hugely disapointing GP4 makes it crawl unless I turn most of the graphics off - do I think it worth a new PC? No, cos it drives like a go-kart not an F1 car! On the other hand GPL flies along on the sort of spec that most PC owners have now - it just worries me that an all singing & dancing GPL2 would struggle to sell while we all upgraded our PCs to run it, and for what gain? OK, had my go, snip & snipe away! Davo

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:31:50 -0000, "Dave Woods" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I see on here that GPL2 is on many peoples wishlist, I >cant help but wonder what more could people want? <snip> Wings. And turbos would be nice too. And if Santa could bring me a Ferrari 360 then life would be perfect.... Ian -- Ian Riches GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

Who knows. Most of them are having problems running the community version of GPL at a decent frame rate, yet they want more, I guess we live in a consuming society where getting more then your money's worth is unacceptable :) "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:31:50 -0000, "Dave Woods" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I see on here that GPL2 is on many peoples wishlist, I > >cant help but wonder what more could people want? > > <snip> > > Wings. And turbos would be nice too. > > And if Santa could bring me a Ferrari 360 then life would be > perfect.... > > Ian > -- > Ian Riches > GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

I would like to see GPL2 primarily just to see what could be done if it could take advantage of modern hardware. 32 bit color and proper lighting would just make everything look so much better. Support for T&L would mean more detailed trackside scenery, which means more flexibility in picking markers for braking point, turn-in, etc. With some of the standard GPL tracks I just have to guess my braking point, there is no convenient marker anywhere nearby. Also if it was designed for a modern spec machine they could have a more comprehensive physics engine. I believe the reason they left out tire wear and brake heat was not due to laziness, but because that stuff would require some significant CPU time and yet would have very little effect on people who were driving the cars properly. But the perspective of time has shown us that people appear to be exploiting those omissions to get better lap times, so I would like to see how differently people would play this game if those elements were accounted for. Lastly, I'm tired of looking at trees that look like giant asparagus stalks. ;o) "Dave Woods" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3dcba05a$0$9442$[email hidden]...

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> I see on here that GPL2 is on many peoples wishlist, I > cant help but wonder what more could people want? > > Because of its addonability it now has a field of photo > accurate cars, extra detail at the tracks, every period track > you can think of and then some - all the stuff that most sims need > a new version to acheive, and all at no extra cost over the > original purchase price! > > A reason why GPL is now so popular may be a reason > it struggled on release - the machine spec needed to > run it. At the time that spec was quite high for its day, > when I bought it I was quizzed in the shop about my PC's > resources, staff were sick of people bringing it back complaining > it wouldnt run. I spend a shedload renewing my PC for no > other reason than i'd driven GPL and had to have it. > > Now GPL fair flies along on my PC whilst the hugely disapointing GP4 > makes it crawl unless I turn most of the graphics off - do I think it > worth a new PC? No, cos it drives like a go-kart not an F1 car! > On the other hand GPL flies along on the sort > of spec that most PC owners have now - it just worries me that an all > singing & dancing GPL2 would struggle to sell while we all upgraded

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> to > run it, and for what gain? > > OK, had my go, snip & snipe away! > > Davo > > > > >

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:31:50 -0000, "Dave Woods" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I see on here that GPL2 is on many peoples wishlist, I >cant help but wonder what more could people want? A tire model? Jason

In article <aqh1tu$a4ubl$[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I believe the reason they left out tire wear and brake heat was > not due to laziness Experience leads me to believe that some, rudimentary, tyre wear is in there. And here's my (possibly suspect) proof: There's a track somewhere out there (I think it's one of the MadCowie ones) that has a very steep hill section. If you drive the car gently down to this section, then accelerate smoothly up the hill (analogue clutch might be useful), then you'll get up. Head back down again, then wheelspin the car like hell up the climb. Full-on burnout, smoke-everywhere stuff that certain traffic laws prevent you from trying on your own street. If your engine survives, now trundle back down the hill. The next time you try gently, the (now worn) rear tyres will break traction approximately 2/3rds of the way up the hill, and you won't get any further. I've tried this a few times, and got roughly the same result, so I think there might be some wear modelling. Of course, GP tyres of this time were very hard - the manual or driving guid speaks of them lasting two or three races, I think. Has anybody else noticed effects similar to this, or is it just me? Regards, Matt -- .. Being cosmopolitan, dynamic people who are wacky and wild enough to watch BBC 2 of the occasional evening ... |=- Contact Info: http://www.mattkimber.org.uk/contact -=|

That's the tyres overheating, GPL does model that. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Matt Kimber" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqhh2l$ino$[email hidden]... > In article <aqh1tu$a4ubl$[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I believe the reason they left out tire wear and brake heat was > > not due to laziness > > Experience leads me to believe that some, rudimentary, tyre wear is in > there. And here's my (possibly suspect) proof: > > There's a track somewhere out there (I think it's one of the MadCowie > ones) that has a very steep hill section. If you drive the car gently > down to this section, then accelerate smoothly up the hill (analogue > clutch might be useful), then you'll get up. > > Head back down again, then wheelspin the car like hell up the climb. > Full-on burnout, smoke-everywhere stuff that certain traffic laws prevent > you from trying on your own street. If your engine survives, now trundle > back down the hill. > > The next time you try gently, the (now worn) rear tyres will break traction > approximately 2/3rds of the way up the hill, and you won't get any > further. I've tried this a few times, and got roughly the same result, > so I think there might be some wear modelling. > > Of course, GP tyres of this time were very hard - the manual or driving > guid speaks of them lasting two or three races, I think. Has anybody > else noticed effects similar to this, or is it just me? > > Regards, > Matt > -- > > .. Being cosmopolitan, dynamic people who are wacky and wild enough to > watch BBC 2 of the occasional evening ... > > |=- Contact Info: http://www.mattkimber.org.uk/contact -=|

GPL2 (if there really even was such a thing) was going to be based on the 1972 season iirc. "Dave Woods" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3dcba05a$0$9442$[email hidden]...

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> I see on here that GPL2 is on many peoples wishlist, I > cant help but wonder what more could people want? > > Because of its addonability it now has a field of photo > accurate cars, extra detail at the tracks, every period track > you can think of and then some - all the stuff that most sims need > a new version to acheive, and all at no extra cost over the > original purchase price! > > A reason why GPL is now so popular may be a reason > it struggled on release - the machine spec needed to > run it. At the time that spec was quite high for its day, > when I bought it I was quizzed in the shop about my PC's > resources, staff were sick of people bringing it back complaining > it wouldnt run. I spend a shedload renewing my PC for no > other reason than i'd driven GPL and had to have it. > > Now GPL fair flies along on my PC whilst the hugely disapointing GP4 > makes it crawl unless I turn most of the graphics off - do I think it > worth a new PC? No, cos it drives like a go-kart not an F1 car! > On the other hand GPL flies along on the sort > of spec that most PC owners have now - it just worries me that an all > singing & dancing GPL2 would struggle to sell while we all upgraded our

PCs

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> to > run it, and for what gain? > > OK, had my go, snip & snipe away! > > Davo > > > > >

>"Dave Woods" <[email hidden]> wrote > I see on here that GPL2 is on many peoples wishlist, I > cant help but wonder what more could people want? Hmm, I'm not sure if you understood the concept of GPL2. It wouldn't be the year 1967, that's the whole point of GPL2. It would be "another" year, another historical year. Anyone you would want, actually that's much debatable and has been over the past 4 years now LOL. :) GPL doesn't give us new cars on new tracks, that's the thing. Some want cars from the 70's, others from the 80's, some from the 90's and the rest from earlier then GPL. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote > With > some of the standard GPL tracks I just have to guess my braking point, > there is no convenient marker anywhere nearby. Who was it back in 1967 that was joking that at Watkins Glen you had no choice to pick a cow for a marker and hope it wouldn't move as you didn't have nothing else to visualise! :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...